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Yeah, one of the coolest planes ever built and only one of my two favorites with SR-71 Blackbird.

I envy the Americans for their designs and technology.
 
Yeah, one of the coolest planes ever built and only one of my two favorites with SR-71 Blackbird.

I envy the Americans for their designs and technology.

Thats because they captured German scientist & took them to US.

ever heard about Operation paper clip?
 
Thats because they captured German scientist & took them to US.

ever heard about Operation paper clip?

Ever heard about the P-51 Mustang? or the F86 sabre?
You can't attribute everything to Werner Von Braun and his friends......
 
Ever heard about the P-51 Mustang? or the F86 sabre?
You can't attribute everything to Werner Von Braun and his friends......

For example, a prototype Horton Ho-229 jet-powered, flying wing fighter/bomber was captured by the Americans and sent to the Northrop Corporation for evaluation.

Must have help them a lot in jet engine design.
 
If I remember correctly a Mig-25 was flown from Vladiwostok to Japan in Sept. 1976 when the Sovjet pilot Lt. Belenko defected.
Americans stripped the high perormance aircraft to the bottom febore returning it to the Russians.

Here's the whole story

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Link: http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/11227_pilot.html
 
I've read his autobiography Mel, he wrote a book revealing all the spicy stuff from Cold War.
I don't know the name of the book anymore.
 
A.Rahman said:
Thats because they captured German scientist & took them to US.

ever heard about Operation paper clip?

keysersoze said:
Ever heard about the P-51 Mustang? or the F86 sabre?
You can't attribute everything to Werner Von Braun and his friends......
I believe German and Russian scientists and engeneers have played a great roll in refining US defence industry.

Rahman please tell me more about operation paper clip.
 
Apparently the designs for the F-111 was stolen from the U.S. Hence the various swing wing designs that came after. Including the Mig23, Mig27 and the SU-17
Key,
That is not true. The Mig-23 came about as an improvement over the Mig-21 (to counter the F-4s), developing between 1963-66 and the early a/c flew in 1967.

Does anyone have different data?
 
i got a question, if some one (a private buyer) wants to buy a fighter jet will a government sell it to em provided the jets are oinly capable of flying and no ammo??
 
Rahman please tell me more about operation paper clip.

Beginning immediately after the German surrender and continuing for the next two years the U.S. pursued a vigorous program to harvest all technological and scientific know-how as well as all patents in Germany

Another aim of the operation was capturing German equipment before the Soviets came in. Where that was not possible, the US Army destroyed some of the equipment to prevent its capture by the advancing Red Army. For example, a prototype Horton Ho-229 jet-powered, flying wing fighter/bomber was captured by the Americans and sent to the Northrop Corporation for evaluation, while several more partial Ho-229 airframes were destroyed.

The majority of the scientists, numbering almost 500, were deployed at White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico; Fort Bliss, Texas; and Huntsville, Alabama to work on guided missile and ballistic missile technology. This in turn led to the foundation of NASA and the US ICBM program.

Much of the information surrounding Operation Paperclip is still classified.

Separate from Paperclip was an even more secret effort to capture German nuclear secrets, equipment and personnel (Operation Alsos). Another American project (TICOM) gathered German experts in cryptography.
 
i got a question, if some one (a private buyer) wants to buy a fighter jet will a government sell it to em provided the jets are oinly capable of flying and no ammo??
This may depend on the rules followed by the DGCA/FAA or equvalent authority. But this is possible only for decommissioned aircraft only, if I am not mistaken.

Unfortunately, in India we do not have private owner of former fighter aircraft, because of the high cost and steep license fees, lack of spares etc. I think the same problem may plague Pak aviation enthusiasts too.
 
i got a question, if some one (a private buyer) wants to buy a fighter jet will a government sell it to em provided the jets are oinly capable of flying and no ammo??

Last year the CEO of BMW US ops asked USAAF if he could by an F-15 and offered double the price but they refused, the guy got so angry that he went to russia and bought one of there fighters , he just cant bring it to USA so he goes to russia to fly.
yes you can buy one of the old planes like F-86, F-104, even F-4 mostly collectors fly them in Air shows, and they are nit expensive as well, you can get a F-86 for a reasonable price.
 

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