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I think you should make certain to clear such movements of government security personnel with the taliban. Should they refuse for whatever reason you must not undertake any such plans.

How dare you actually act like that's your land. See FATA. See SWAT. See TALIBAN.


:wave: bye-bye to :pakistan:


How dare you actually act like Afghanistan and Iraq are your land.

The remaining scum of occupation in these lands must be removed.

Several months ago I submitted this post (as seen below). It will highlight to you the greater security threat to Pakistan in the long run.

America must understand

It can kill the Taliban but it cannot defeat the Taliban.

The military and continuous air strikes and the loss of innocent life is a good recruiting tool for the Taliban to raise more armed men and continue to fight with the western forces in Afghanistan.

Hence this counter productive policy will assure a longer time required in Afghanistan to fight Taliban forces and militants that apparently pose a threat to US national security still after 8 years later of War and occupation.

Quite frankly, the tides are changing, and the time will come soon where the entire region will get fed up of both of these two extremist belligerents the United States and the Taliban.

When a new Pakistani leadership comes to power, one with an iron spine and a courageous spirit then we will begin to see a different region.


They say they are there to fight terrorism and to capture Tim Osman because they suffered a "terrorist attack" on September 11. 2001. However, their government and the Illuminati have manufactured these crises and then they provide the world the solution, this allows the Freemason Led-United States Government and NWO Agents to forward their agenda quite easily...


So how do we respond to such a grave global threat? I will leave you to ponder this great answer as you read the Quran Inshallah...


The real threat to the world is not so much Taliban and this "Islamofascist" threat, but the ultimate and grave threat comes to us from Western extremism.

Western extremism follows "Do what we say, not act as we do" Western extremism support dictatorships when it is favorable for them, I.E. Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, Emir Abdullah of Jordan, and the Saudi Royal Family in Saudi Arabia, and Shah of Iran.

EDIT: Western extremism is manipulative and pursues it's Geo-Political agenda with a large disregard for life. They are hungry for resources, and seek to destabilize countries where it is most favorable for them and most beneficial for their New World Order objectives, hence the phrase "all opposition shall be crushed..."

Pakistanis and Muslims you must heed my warning!


I had signaled the warning months ago...


To Pakistani members as much as you despise or hate the Taliban, you must understand the greatest threat to us. You must understand why we are targeted, by both Taliban and those who claim to be our friend. CIA, MOSSAD, and RAW collaboratively work to destabilize Pakistan. They will use this rationale to take control of Pakistani nuclear assets, saying Pakistan is too unstable to maintain Nuclear possession.

It would be better to form a Mujahideen, to fight against the US and the Karzai regime. The US has installed a Anti-Pakistan leader deliberately in Afghanistan to prevent any strong sense of Islamic unity, Pakistan's gateway to the Central Asian Muslim countries is largely through Afghanistan, by installing this Anti-Pakistani and US puppet they prevent the strengthening of the Islamic bloc of Asia.

Now Afghanistan is becoming a hotbed of Indian activity, the roads and highways the Indians are actively building their will be used as future invasion routes to attack Pakistan's softbelly, NWFP.


In regards to SWAT, SWAT is now improving after Pakistan military operations there which engendered a forced "peace-agreement". The Taliban that is causing problems in SWAT obviously must be rooted out of these areas, they are not welcomed. But they are welcomed in Afghanistan to fight the scum of occupation.
 
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Your post can be summed up as scaremongering and madness.
 
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"You must understand, you must understand" - what, are you treating Pakistanis like a bunch of serfs or mindless robots? Don't you think you have to justify your arguments, not just make assertions of convenience?
 
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I feel sorry for the people of SWAT because in the long run they will not benefit so as long as the Taliban is the running the affairs they are just too barbaric, The shariah courts is a welcome development as it will provide speedy justice to the people but as far as the Taliban is concerned they need to be driven out just like in Bajaur.
 
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No more safe at home, Pak Hindus flee to India
March 16, 2009


In May 2008, Pakistan's tribal province of Orakzai was in the news. The majority Muslims did not allow the Hindus to cremate their dead at the place that had been the designated crematorium for over a century.
The next month, the Pakistan government signed a peace treaty with the Taliban. It was among many other such treaties and not much was made of it, especially since the latter agreed that it would recognise the writ of the government.
But in the next couple of months, the few Hindu families began facing the heat.
"It was like the smoke before the fire. The Taliban's presence was not very evident in the following two months. But things were becoming obvious. A group of locals who supported the Taliban gave us the distinct feeling that we were not wanted there," says Jagdish Lal Sharma, who says he is a Pandit from the region.
Though there were no direct threats, the Hindu families were never left in any doubt about their minority status.


"We were told Hindus are not supposed to wish a Muslim even inadvertently and that is why, in order to make it obvious for a passing Muslim that we were Hindus, we ought to have some element of red in our headgear," Hardwari Lal, who is now in Amritsar with his family of 13, says.
In Amrtisar, they found Surinder Kumar Billa, a local religious leader at the Durgaina temple in Amritsar, who has promised to help them get Indian citizenship.

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'Your temple is a threat to our religion'
March 16, 2009

Jagdish Lal Sharma fled with his wife and five kids:
I am a Pandit and also did some hakeemi on the side with natural medicines. There was no problem in our village till very recently. I had a very small temple near my home. One day, some other villagers came and said the presence of your temple is a threat to our religion. It should not be there. I pleaded with them to spare the temple but had no other option but to take the idols inside the house.
On October 2, we got a visa to India and I had a cousin in Amritsar. But the procedure is such that, I had to first go to Delhi -- where I knew no one -- and get my papers to come to Amritsar. You know very well how it is getting work done with the government. By the time I got the required papers to come to Amritsar, most of the money I had with me was spent.
It is a good feeling having at last come to Amritsar. The Punjab region is more or less the same on both sides. But we do not know how long we are going to be here. That is one issue we are worried about. The other is what we are going to do about our children. They do not know Punjabi and hence cannot get admitted to a school here. We have to find a way.
Our forefathers thought that staying back in Pakistan was a good idea. Now, we are thinking about our children and want them to grow up here in India.


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'Our neighbours are behaving differently today'
March 16, 2009

Hardwari Lal, 13 family members:
I had a general store in my village. I live in a region where the Hindus have slowly disappeared. By the time I left, there was only one other family (which has also moved to India.) I have four sisters. My main concern is to find a match for them. I want to marry them to Hindus.
Apart from this, my main worry is the land I lost. My family owned a considerable amount of land worth several lakhs. As things started getting worse, there was a lot of pressure on me to sell the land to the locals.
The government was helpless. The central authorities in Peshawar could not do anything to help me. It was the local authorities who called the shots.

The local tehsildar (revenue officer) struck the deal like he was supporting me, but finalised it for 10 per cent of the original price. I had no other go but to concede. The local authorities are nothing but political agents for the radicals in these regions.
They used to come knocking and say no photos, no pictures, no idols. We were forced to remove all the family photos and idols of gods though it was inside our house. That is when I realised how different these same people were earlier. Samay ka prabhaav padta hi hain�(Time takes its toll)
It is not like the liberals have disappeared and radicals have moved in. It is the same neighbours who used to be pillars of strength in the past year who are behaving differently today. That is what pains me the most. The only Hindus who are better off are those in the Shia-dominated areas. There Shias protect the Hindus like their own against the Sunni fundamentalists. One thing I observed is that the Sikh people are somehow getting along. I admire them for that.

There has always been shadow of the Taliban'
March 16, 2009

Gulzari Lal Sharma:
I had a small shop. Things began getting worse before our eyes. I got really scared when they began enforcing the pagadi rule. They asked us to have some sort of red patch in our headgear. I do not know what purpose it would have served. All our neighbours knew we were Hindus. And we hardly left the village. It was really scary.
There has always been the shadow of the Taliban in the recent times in my place. In October it got really worse. The women in the family were harassed a lot. I had a little land and sold it for a decent price when I decided to leave the place.
The one thing I considered was the future of my children and when I thought about it, it was clear to me that they can't grow up in that environment. As we left, we were really worried about reaching Peshawar. Not just because we were Hindus, but that stretch was generally such a dangerous one and totally in control of the militants, even normal Pakistanis were scared to take that road.
We somehow made that distance of 250 km and reached Peshawar. From there we went to Lahore where we waited for our visas. The moment we got it, we left on the Samjhauta Express. Our permits are till 2010. Some have it till 2011.
These things are all in the hands of local authorities. All I hope for now is that we are not harassed when the duration lapses. We are pleading the Indian government for a right to stay here and hope we get it.

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^ No link to your article meaning its not worth reading.
 
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Disputes end in Swat; situation improving: Afrasyab

Updated at: 1813 PST, Thursday, March 19, 2009

PESHAWAR: President Awami National Party NWFP, Senator Afrasyab Khattak has said that the dispute has ended in Swat and the overall situation is improving at a rapid pace.

Talking to media after addressing a seminar held under the auspices of Bacha Khan Trust, Afrasyab Khattak said structure of judicial system would be prepared after President signs the draft of regulations for Nizam-e-Adal.

“The President will affix his signature on the draft regulations for Nizam-e-Adal,” he said.

He told the reporters that other courts would work simultaneously with Qazi courts in Swat.

To a question regarding pulling back of troops from Swat, Afrasyab Khattak said the withdrawal of troops is linked with improvement in law and order situation there.



Disputes end in Swat; situation improving: Afrasyab - GEO.tv
 
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Talking to media after addressing a seminar held under the auspices of Bacha Khan Trust, Afrasyab Khattak said structure of judicial system would be prepared after President signs the draft of regulations for Nizam-e-Adal.

“The President will affix his signature on the draft regulations for Nizam-e-Adal,” he said.

He told the reporters that other courts would work simultaneously with Qazi courts in Swat.
Interesting statement by Afrasyab Khattak, because he is contradicting the reported views of Sufi Mohammed on several key points:

1. The structure of the judicial system will be finalized after the President signs off - Sufi Mohammed indicated that he structure was finalized and there was no need for the Presidnent to sign off.

2. Regular courts will work in conjunction with Qazi courts - Sufi Mohammed wants regular courts to stop functioning and the judges to leave.

To a question regarding pulling back of troops from Swat, Afrasyab Khattak said the withdrawal of troops is linked with improvement in law and order situation there.
Good to hear - there is still a lot of uncertainty on which way this issue is going to go ...
 
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Qazi court or quick justice for the poors may be ok, but over all judiciary system is beyond his reach and understanding. He need to invent Mullah Typewriter for lawyers. Now we going to have Mullah notary public for document notarization. Well its still complicated. How can two laws can run parallel.
 
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How can two laws can run parallel?
Like they do in the rest of Pakistan already - the Shariah Courts.

People have an option on which court to approach I believe. Ideally we should look at the CII rulings and harmonize the two systems by changing the Penal code and laws where necessary. At that point the difference between the Shariah Court and regular Courts will be primarily one of name.
 
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Now Afghanistan is becoming a hotbed of Indian activity, the roads and highways the Indians are actively building their will be used as future invasion routes to attack Pakistan's softbelly, NWFP.

umm, and how will the indian forces reach afganistan in the first place to use those roads. i hope u know that pakistan in between india and afganistan stopping indians from going to afganistan whenever it wishes

also we are too scared of ur nukes to try atacking you
 
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People have an option on which court to approach I believe. Ideally we should look at the CII rulings and harmonize the two systems by changing the Penal code and laws where necessary. At that point the difference between the Shariah Court and regular Courts will be primarily one of name.

if i am right, the sharia laws cant be changed, they come from the quran. so this hormonization then means changing the penal codes to the sharia laws. what is the difference left between the 2 then?
 
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if i am right, the sharia laws cant be changed, they come from the quran. so this hormonization then means changing the penal codes to the sharia laws. what is the difference left between the 2 then?

I believe there are plenty of threads on Shariah that you can ask your questions on.

Quick answer - there is a reason why the Shariah of the Taliban differs from the Shariah of the Iranians etc.

The Quran and Hadith can be interpreted differently, and the CII's interpretations have been very progressive recently.
 
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Pakistan's penal code is already subject to the Shariah (without the need for seperate Shariah courts), and any law that does not conform to Quran And Sunnah can be be judged as against the constitution, by the Supreme Court Bench.
 
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