Survival

[lafete]

Will Pakistan survive if the glaciers melt?

The indus basin aquifer is rapidly decreasing.

This is also VERY troubling:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1522388/life-under-the-shadow-of-a-coal-fired-power-plant

The British were innovative people. They built the largest canal system in world in Punjab through innovation.

No one will come and solve Pakistan's problems from outside - unless we agree to colonisation again.

The old model of education where you went to schools/colleges/universities is quickly dying. With online education and virtual reality based class rooms/labs, the education system is being rapidly transformed. You do no need to send people for a 23 year education to produce engineers/scientist.

Smart companies have already realised this and they are hiring people straight out of high schools. British company Dyson has Dyson university, At&t has At&t university.

Two artificial rivers are needed which flow in the reverse direction. You need an army of engineers if you are going to build artificial rivers.

The sea has enough energy to generate power for water desalination, solar, wind, etc can augment.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

well thought out post

 

[War Thunder]

Will Pakistan survive if the glaciers melt?

The indus basin aquifer is rapidly decreasing.

This is also VERY troubling:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1522388/life-under-the-shadow-of-a-coal-fired-power-plant

The British were innovative people. They built the largest canal system in world in Punjab through innovation.

No one will come and solve Pakistan's problems from outside - unless we agree to colonisation again.

The old model of education where you went to schools/colleges/universities is quickly dying. With online education and virtual reality based class rooms/labs, the education system is being rapidly transformed. You do no need to send people for a 23 year education to produce engineers/scientist.

Smart companies have already realised this and they are hiring people straight out of high schools. British company Dyson has Dyson university, At&t has At&t university.

Two artificial rivers are needed which flow in the reverse direction. You need an army of engineers if you are going to build artificial rivers.

The sea has enough energy to generate power for water desalination, solar, wind, etc can augment.

Desalinated water is horrible tbh. It's without the mineral content that you get from the ground wanter and not to forget the spiking levels of Fluoride.
We should find ways to increase underground water and rainfall, even if the glaciers melt, if we are prepared we can encourage more snow fall.
We need to have more and more trees and forests as the first line of defense against climate change. Why can't we make every city look like Islamabad? Every empty land filled up with trees? Why don't we go ahead and change deserts into forests like China is?

I would think of reverse rivers as the last possible move. If nothing else works...

 

[nahtanbob]

Will Pakistan survive if the glaciers melt?

The indus basin aquifer is rapidly decreasing.

This is also VERY troubling:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1522388/life-under-the-shadow-of-a-coal-fired-power-plant

The British were innovative people. They built the largest canal system in world in Punjab through innovation.

No one will come and solve Pakistan's problems from outside - unless we agree to colonisation again.

The old model of education where you went to schools/colleges/universities is quickly dying. With online education and virtual reality based class rooms/labs, the education system is being rapidly transformed. You do no need to send people for a 23 year education to produce engineers/scientist.

Smart companies have already realised this and they are hiring people straight out of high schools. British company Dyson has Dyson university, At&t has At&t university.

Two artificial rivers are needed which flow in the reverse direction. You need an army of engineers if you are going to build artificial rivers.

The sea has enough energy to generate power for water desalination, solar, wind, etc can augment.

climate change will be interesting problem
it is a lot harder when your population is increasing

 

[lafete]

Reverse river is the only solution. If the aquifer dries up and glaciers melt, its game over.

The indus basin and ganges-Brahmaputra basin are the only two aquifer in the subcontinent. These two are rapidly diminishing. By 2025, the exponential decline will start. It's a catch 22 situation.

Glacier melting will cause one tectonic plate to become lighter and result in big earthquakes.

 

[Itachi]

Ground Aquifers can be rebuilt with increased rainfall.

Before/During the Glacier melt, make more smaller dams, reservoirs, canals & rivers. Store all that precious water and keep it circulating throughout the country through massive pipelines with the help of electricity.

Build large solar farms in Balochistan and hot regions, build wind farms, build more nuclear reactors. These will provide much needed electricity.

Back to the 2nd paragraph, as the water keeps circulating around the country, some of it will evaporate and come back in the form of rainfall and help replenish groundwater. The water in dams & reservoirs can also be forced to evaporate by putting large solar reflectors around the dam which increase the surface temperature of the water in the dam/reservoir thus increasing the evaporation rate.

Cloud seeding can be done to control rainfall. The Monsoon season comes every year, we need to use it to in similar fashion.

Water from Desalination plants can also be purified (of unneeded substances like flouride) & mixed in with the glaciar/monsoon water.

The ideas are many but the Pakistani government and the people must first spread awareness of the matter!

Tackling the matter only comes if the government & the people are aware!

 

[jupiter2007]

Ground Aquifers can be rebuilt with increased rainfall.

Before/During the Glacier melt, make more smaller dams, reservoirs, canals & rivers. Store all that precious water and keep it circulating throughout the country through massive pipelines with the help of electricity.

Build large solar farms in Balochistan and hot regions, build wind farms, build more nuclear reactors. These will provide much needed electricity.

Back to the 2nd paragraph, as the water keeps circulating around the country, some of it will evaporate and come back in the form of rainfall and help replenish groundwater. The water in dams & reservoirs can also be forced to evaporate by putting large solar reflectors around the dam which increase the surface temperature of the water in the dam/reservoir thus increasing the evaporation rate.

Cloud seeding can be done to control rainfall. The Monsoon season comes every year, we need to use it to in similar fashion.

Water from Desalination plants can also be purified (of unneeded substances like flouride) & mixed in with the glaciar/monsoon water.

The ideas are many but the Pakistani government and the people must first spread awareness of the matter!

Tackling the matter only comes if the government & the people are aware!

We need 800+ large, medium and small dams, reservoir and rainwater harvesting.
We can use canal system to move water to remote areas of Balochistan.

 

[Itachi]

We need 800+ large, medium and small dams, reservoir and rainwater harvesting.
We can use canal system to move water to remote areas of Balochistan.

Yup, the land of balochistan is very barren and desert like, we can make loads of new lakes that have their depth below sea level so that water stays in them and doesn't end up in the Indian ocean.

Once water gets stored in those lakes, dams & reservoirs, it'll slowly start evaporating & coming back as rainfall, which will benefit any vegetation that grows in the whole province. It'll also help any green initiative like planting of more trees & plants.

The lakes, rivers, canals & reservoirs can also be stocked up with fish which the locals can catch and eat.

There are so many different ideas & approaches....that is, if the Government wakes up & starts acting...

 

[jupiter2007]

Yup, the land of balochistan is very barren and desert like, we can make loads of new lakes that have their depth below sea level so that water stays in them and doesn't end up in the Indian ocean.

Once water gets stored in those lakes, dams & reservoirs, it'll slowly start evaporating & coming back as rainfall, which will benefit any vegetation that grows in the whole province. It'll also help any green initiative like planting of more trees & plants.

The lakes, rivers, canals & reservoirs can also be stocked up with fish which the locals can catch and eat.

There are so many different ideas & approaches....that is, if the Government wakes up & starts acting...

Sad reality is that 100 billon dollars were stolen from Pakistan by corrupt mafia, all of this happened under the nose of establishment. Were they part of it? Why Army was quit? Why ISI allowed it? Was Zardari and Nawaz paying of Generals?

We have no money for large dam projects because it cost huge amount of money and it take long time to build dams.

It will require 15 to 20 billon to build 20 to 30 medium to small dams in Balochistan.

For tree and plant growth, Bio-Genetic engineering can help.

 

[Itachi]

Bio-Genetic engineering can also help plant growth.

Let's not go there lol....bio-engineering is a controversial subject....no one in Pakistan is qualified enough to touch it rather than actually implement it.

Forcing nature to change hasn't always had good effect...although I support bio-engineering efforts we should test everything thoroughly before implementing it in the wild.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Itachi]

It will require 15 to 20 billon to build 20 to 30 medium to small dams in Balochistan.

I think that's a very high estimate....it'll be build by Pakistani companies so it won't cost that much. All they gotta do is build big holes in the ground lol

For perspective, an aircraft carrier costs $2-5 Billion; low effort projects like small/medium dams that don't require heavy technical skills don't cost that much if we do it ourselves.

For example, a dam as big as the Mangla Dam cost us ~$1.5B so multiple small & medium dams, reservoirs & canals shouldn't cost us that much.

 

[nahtanbob]

I think that's a very high estimate....it'll be build by Pakistani companies so it won't cost that much. All they gotta do is build big holes in the ground lol

For perspective, an aircraft carrier costs $2-5 Billion; low effort projects like small/medium dams that don't require heavy technical skills don't cost that much if we do it ourselves.

For example, a dam as big as the Mangla Dam cost us ~$1.5B so multiple small & medium dams, reservoirs & canals shouldn't cost us that much.

you should check with the civil engineering department of nearby university
they might disagree with your assessments on technical skills

 

[Itachi]

you should check with the civil engineering department of nearby university
they might disagree with your assessments on technical skills

Yea, I know what I'm talking about buddy.

Small Dams, reservoirs & canals don't take much of a technical effort. Farmers build small reservoirs all the time with the help of medium sized companies.

Like I said before, one of the biggest dam in Pakistan, the Tarbela Dam, cost ~$1.5B to make so assuming we're making multiple smaller dams & reservoirs, the cost won't be that much or the expertise. Especially if all the material & manpower is local/national.

 

[ziaulislam]

Will Pakistan survive if the glaciers melt?

The indus basin aquifer is rapidly decreasing.

This is also VERY troubling:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1522388/life-under-the-shadow-of-a-coal-fired-power-plant

The British were innovative people. They built the largest canal system in world in Punjab through innovation.

No one will come and solve Pakistan's problems from outside - unless we agree to colonisation again.

The old model of education where you went to schools/colleges/universities is quickly dying. With online education and virtual reality based class rooms/labs, the education system is being rapidly transformed. You do no need to send people for a 23 year education to produce engineers/scientist.

Smart companies have already realised this and they are hiring people straight out of high schools. British company Dyson has Dyson university, At&t has At&t university.

Two artificial rivers are needed which flow in the reverse direction. You need an army of engineers if you are going to build artificial rivers.

The sea has enough energy to generate power for water desalination, solar, wind, etc can augment.

Pakistan has flow of 150 MAF of water
California has 10x productivity with 40 MAF water
While river nile flow is 40 MAF

Imagine the amount of water we waste..
If we match california(they dont use magic) we can produce 50x times what we produce now

 

[Rusty]

Personally I think we need to make new cities in Baluchistan using desalinated water. We can build our own Dubai/Doha/etc.

The benefits for this include lowering pressure to build on our farm land, clean slat cities that are properly planned and a place where mafias have not taken hold yet so we can have proper rule of law.