Survey on Why Pakistanis support militancy - Harvard

[qsaark]

Former ISI chiefs have confessed that Pakistani terrorist groups have been slaughtering Kashmiris by the thousands.

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I think any proposal to make Pakistan a secular state will not get very far in the present scenario. Your exposure to the raw realities of Pakistan may have been limited; Ahmedis, Christian Masihs and Hindu Hari slaves have a very brutalized and precarious existence in Pakistan.

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You can help change that perception ... support Afghan democracy and independence over notions of strategic depth, oppose the Pakistani terrorist organizations that are slaughtering thousands of Kashmiris with the help of the Pakistani state.

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Shamelessness, false allegations, blatant lies, and trolling at its height.

Reported!

 

[indian_warrior]

Here's the solution:

Free Kashmir, Free Palestine, free all Muslim majority regions that are occupied by hindus and zionists and then there'll be world peace.


Also U.S. must get out of Afghanistan and Iraq as well.


Let the Muslims rule their own land, thats all we ask.

If US goes out from afghan then pakistan won't get any AID.

It is best interest for pakistan to keep the jihad fighting. thats what pakistan is doing for last 10yrs.

 

[SMC]

If US goes out from afghan then pakistan won't get any AID.

It is best interest for pakistan to keep the jihad fighting. thats what pakistan is doing for last 10yrs.

That's a stupid comment. If US goes out of Afghanistan, Pakistan wouldn't need to fight in WoT either. You know that we have lost more money due to WoT than gained due to aid. So get a check on your ignorance.

 

[indian_warrior]

That's a stupid comment. If US goes out of Afghanistan, Pakistan wouldn't need to fight in WoT either. You know that we have lost more money due to WoT than gained due to aid. So get a check on your ignorance.

Yes Pakistan don't need to fight WOT but you know it won't get any more AID.

No dollars - debt default - bankrupt

 

[SMC]

You don't get what I am saying? Pakistan won't lose any of its own money due to WoT, it won't need any aid. The aid has not cancelled out the losses, not even close. So US leaving will have the opposite effect of what you're saying.

 

[EjazR]

Ok, unfortunately, no one tried to go through the survey or understand the survey results. I admit that the methodology is a little complex but anyone with basic knowledge of statistics can understand broadly what the results mean. As the table below shows, this is a postive report on Pakistan in the sense that an absolute majority DO NOT support militant groups including the Kashmiri ones. Please read and make an informed opinion otherwise refrain from posting nonsense.

Notice that all graphs are negative. NWFP, Baluchistan and Sindh are overwhelmingly against militant groups. And while Punjab is close to the 50-50 mark it is still negative for Kashmiri militant groups but slightly positive for secretarian groups.

This does not mean that these people "don't care" for Kashmiris and their well being or their human rights, just like not supporting militant groups by Indians or even local Kashmiris doesn't mean that. It only means that these people agree that violence in the name of Islam is not helping Kashmiris and is most likely harming their cause as well as the name of Islam by their actions.

Figure 2: Support for Militant Groups by Region

On another note, it would have been interesting to include Uighur/Xinjian centric groups as well in the survey. Muslims in Xinjiang were in overwhelming majority in 1959 with Han Chinese at 7% while they now make up 40% of the population. The Chinese govt. has tested its nukes in these areas were the majority affected were naturally muslims and even today, the religious rights let along their political rights are not met fully. For example, young Muslims can't go to Hajj or pray in mosques.

Would there be similar level of support, because those who support both militant groups i.e. Kashmir centric as well as Uighur centric would at least be honest to their thinking, while those who oppose the Uighur groups when infact, Muslims in Xinjiang have faced a worse fate than in Kashmir would obviously be hypocritical in their opposition

 

[indian_warrior]

You don't get what I am saying? Pakistan won't lose any of its own money due to WoT, it won't need any aid. The aid has not cancelled out the losses, not even close. So US leaving will have the opposite effect of what you're saying.

Do you know how export market works?

Pakistan spending rupees for WOT but getting AID in US dollars.

Nobody takes pakistan rupees outside pakistan. BTW pakistan is not self sufficient. It can't even build its own car.

 

[Kabir Panthi]

Source?

ISI chief's confessions: There are plenty of sources, but here is a Pakistani one -
Pakistan Peoples Party

Oppression of Ahmadis, Masihs and Haris: Seriously, are you so ignorant that you need me to provide a source for that?

Shamelessness, false allegations, blatant lies, and trolling at its height.

Reported!

There is none so blind as he who does not want to see!

 

[SMC]

Do you know how export market works?

Pakistan spending rupees for WOT but getting AID in US dollars.

Nobody takes pakistan rupees outside pakistan. BTW pakistan is not self sufficient. It can't even build its own car.

Why are you being so ******* thick? Pakistan has lost FDI (more than the aid Pakistan has got + will be getting), which would be in dollars, economy has taken a battering due to bomb attacks. It would be better for Pakistan overall if US leaves Afghanistan. Your statement is ignorant and stupid, you should just stop trying to post your nonsense.

 

[indian_warrior]

Why are you being so ******* thick? Pakistan has lost FDI (more than the aid Pakistan has got + will be getting), which would be in dollars, economy has taken a battering due to bomb attacks. It would be better for Pakistan overall if US leaves Afghanistan. Your statement is ignorant and stupid, you should just stop trying to post your nonsense.

I am not stupid. WOT earned lot of foreign exchange to pakistan. Otherwise it would default external debt.

Now tell me what was pakistan real export(I mean goods and service) before WOT 2001 and now?

 

[qsaark]

ISI chief's confessions: There are plenty of sources, but here is a Pakistani one -
Pakistan Peoples Party

Oppression of Ahmadis, Masihs and Haris: Seriously, are you so ignorant that you need me to provide a source for that?



There is none so blind as he who does not want to see!

Do not make me and even the sane Indian members laugh at you by posting stuff as 'proof' from a political party that is known to have grudges against the Pakistan military for reason not unknown. If that was true, the Indian Government would have taken this to the International Court of Justice.

Regarding the 'Oppression of Ahmadis, Masihs and Haris', what is this 'Haris'? Anyway, whatever this is, you first take care of what is done to the low castes and non-Hindus in your own backyard. Even Pope had to express his concerns over the killings of Christians and rapes of Nuns.

And I am not ignorant, but you are, and bother not to post sources as this crap is spread all over the forum. You better learn to search the forum for older threads where such matters are already discussed and debated to death before getting into 'post' frenzy.

Lastly, do not hide yourself behind the UN flags; develop some spine and show people your real identity.

 

[qsaark]

I am not stupid. WOT earned lot of foreign exchange to pakistan. Otherwise it would default external debt.

Now tell me what was pakistan real export(I mean goods and service) before WOT 2001 and now?

There are threads on Pakistan economy where you can find the relevant information. Make some effort, search, dig up the information and than come back and take part in discussion. Asking people to do work for you is not a desirable habit, neither on this forum, nor in your practical life.

 

[indian_warrior]

There are threads on Pakistan economy where you can find the relevant information. Make some effort, search, and dig up the information and than come back and take part in discussion. Asking people to do work for you is not a desirable habit, neither on this forum, nor in your practical life.

I know that info. He simply saying that pakistan lost FDI without knowing the figure. It got more AID (free money) then lost export.

 

[qsaark]

I know that info. He simply saying that pakistan lost FDI without knowing the figure. It got more AID (free money) then lost export.

You are plain wrong and you are wrong because you have done no research, neither on this forum, nor on the Internet. He does not know the figures, do you? How do you know how much money is being spent on the so-called WoT? Source? and how much money Pakistan has got in compensation (you call it aid, free money...)? Source?

 

[Kabir Panthi]

Do not make me and even the sane Indian members laugh at you by posting stuff as 'proof' from a political party that is known to have grudges against the Pakistan military for reason not unknown. If that was true, the Indian Government would have taken this to the International Court of Justice.

If you had examined the source properly, you would have seen that it is from a well-known book by an author who is not a part of the PPP. The PPP was merely quoting him. Javed Ashraf Qazi has not denied it.

what is this 'Haris'?

Amazing ignorance

Anyway, whatever this is, you first take care of what is done to the low castes and non-Hindus in your own backyard.

Sir, you may start a new thread for that.

Lastly, do not hide yourself behind the UN flags; develop some spine and show people your real identity.

Focus on the ideas, rebut them if you can.