Supreme court allows detained Italian marine to go home

[Biplab Bijay]

Would Italy free Indian marines if they did the same thing in their water territory?

Now stop worshipping your nationalist party.

Yes of course. Why not ? Stop worshiping Mata Rome (Sonia Ji).

 

[Donatello]

So all the hola hoop goes to waste?

 

[janon]

Would Italy free Indian marines if they did the same thing in their water territory?

Now stop worshipping your nationalist party.

We haven't freed the marines. They will have to undergo trial. They can only be arrested after the trial. Until then, bail is their right. Please learn how the judicial process works.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

So all the hola hoop goes to waste?

Are you trolling ?
On topic : We have the other one here. So dont worry. He will comeback.

 

[janon]

So all the hola hoop goes to waste?

No. This isn't Pakistan.

 

[Donatello]

No. This isn't Pakistan.

Then why was the person allowed to go?

 

[MarkusS]

As I asked, when was the last time a state government managed disaster relief alone?? Please dont spread non sense here.. and why cant those marine be treated here ?? You have problem congress sending those marine but no issue if it was BJP.. This is called hypocracy.. You will never find any wrong in BJP even if one of the ministers son was accused of rape and was absconding.. As I said, even if these marine was send to Italy for treatment when congress was in power, what would have been your reaction.. You would had a field day..




There was no piracy to begin with.. The area was not a hot bed for piracy also.. Your marines killed those fishermen for fun.. They even forced Ship's captain to send false message of fishermen carrying weapons..




Dude as per the news, the government itself is not interested any more.. They just wanted to sweep it under carpet.. Who are you to ask me to migrate to any country?? You are not the custodian of this country.. So give it a rest.. If my religion is what irritates you then you will have to bare it for a long time..

Nobody killed for fun. The fishermen were heading directly at our ship and did not react for any warning. We are talking about an oil tanker here and the time of terrorism. Our mariens did their duty and i expect our military to do the same again and again under the given circumstances.

 

[janon]

Then why was the person allowed to go?

For medical treatment, while he is awaiting trial. He has to return. The ambassador himself has pledged guarantee to that.

Anybody undergoing trial or even incarcerated will be allowed to leave for medical purposes.

Nobody killed for fun. The fishermen were heading directly at our ship and did not react for any warning. We are talking about an oil tanker here and the time of terrorism. Our mariens did their duty and i expect our military to do the same again and again under the given circumstances.

Then you can expect more arrests again and again, if your people shoot unarmed fishermen.

BTW what is "the time of terrorism"?

Marines are expected to know when to shoot, when to classify somebody as a threat, and to use force judiciously.

Also, your marines will have to prove in court that the fishing boat cae directly at your ship and did not react to warning. Warning shots were NOT fired, which is standard protocol. If they can prove in court that warning shots were fired and the fishing boat did not heed it, then your marines will walk free.

 

[GR!FF!N]

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Are you saying if he doesn't return, GOI will keep the Italian ambassador as a hostage?

LOL..from where do you get these ideas???

no,that means its Italian Govt's responsibility to make sure that he'll return.

 

[MarkusS]

For medical treatment, while he is awaiting trial. He has to return. The ambassador himself has pledged guarantee to that.

Anybody undergoing trial or even incarcerated will be allowed to leave for medical purposes.


Then you can expect more arrests again and again, if your people shoot unarmed fishermen.

BTW what is "the time of terrorism"?

Marines are expected to know when to shoot, when to classify somebody as a threat, and to use force judiciously.

Also, your marines will have to prove in court that the fishing boat cae directly at your ship and did not react to warning. Warning shots were NOT fired, which is standard protocol. If they can prove in court that warning shots were fired and the fishing boat did not heed it, then your marines will walk free.

they will walk free anyways. This is theater for the public.

Let me ask you something, i heared alot of indian sailors are still in the hands of somali pirates. Our forces also already rescued indian crew from pirates. How should we handle this in future. Lets say our troops storm a pirate base and rescue the hostages. Should we leave the indians behind?

And no, our marines have to prove nothing. Your country must prove that the fishermen were warned and did not rush directly towards our tanker. Since all italian crew says that they were warned and did indeed go towards it. So far you don´t even know if those two fired at all since italy denies all other marines to talk or go india.

 

[mujhaidind]

they will walk free anyways. This is theater for the public.

Even the white boy is confident that BJP will serve their masters.

 

[janon]

Our forces also already rescued indian crew from pirates.

Please give me a link for that - Italian forces rescuing Indian hostages.

How should we handle this in future. Lets say our troops storm a pirate base and rescue the hostages. Should we leave the indians behind?

What do you think? If those Indians have not killed anybody, but are innocent victims, should you or should you not leave them behind? If you don't know the answer, then me telling it to you will not help.

The marines we arrested were not hostages of pirates - they were two people who shot unarmed Indians for no apparent reason.

So far you don´t even know if those two fired at all

Factually incorrect. The ship's log states it , and the marines themselves admit they fired - the only point of contention is whether they were justified in doing so. Don't make up stuff.

they will walk free anyways. This is theater for the public.

LOL. No they won't - not if they are found guilty.

Sorry, but we are not Pakistan, and you are not USA. We are not a banana republic, and you are not a superpower. Don't underestimate our will, and don't overestimate your clout or importance.

The courts here are completely independent of the executive and legislature, and the govt of Italy has zero leverage over our judges or law courts. Maybe you would care to explain how you make such a statement, that this is a theater for the public? Are you saying from experience of past occurrences, or simply stating what you want to believe? BTW our judges are not elected, and do not rely on public opinion.

If they can prove their innocence, then yes they will walk free. But they have to undergo the trial of law for that.

 

[MarkusS]

Please give me a link for that - Italian forces rescuing Indian hostages.


What do you think? If those Indians have not killed anybody, but are innocent victims, should you or should you not leave them behind? If you don't know the answer, then me telling it to you will not help.

The marines we arrested were not hostages of pirates - they were two people who shot unarmed Indians for no apparent reason.



Factually incorrect. The ship's log states it , and the marines themselves admit they fired - the only point of contention is whether they were justified in doing so. Don't make up stuff.



LOL. No they won't - not if they are found guilty.

Sorry, but we are not Pakistan, and you are not USA. The courts here are completely independent of the executive and legislature, and the govt of Italy has zero leverage over our judges or law courts. Maybe you would care to explain how you make such a statement, that this is a theater for the public? Are you saying from experience of past occurrences, or simply stating what you want to believe? BTW our judges are not elected, and do not rely on public opinion.

If they can prove their innocence, then yes they will walk free. But they have to undergo the trial of law for that.

You want my honest opinion? I see this as a banana republic. Our marines live a luxury life at our embassy while this so called court falls to its knees again and again. First it drops the terrorism and piracy act and now this.

Yes we are not the USA. We are the EU, Indias greatest trading partner. The Eu already stopped the talks about free trade with india because this issue. As this happened, India stopped to try to impose the strict "anti piracy" law. I and the large majority in italy sees this as theater for the domestic audience. In the end a solution will be found that pleases both sides.

Now Latorre comes home and i´m sure Girone will follow soon. Who knows if Latorre even had a stroke? Embassy staff says he has no negative health effects from it. There are speculations in our media that this is a simple strategy to end this circus.

India saves its face and all are happy. Now can we go back and do business as usual? There is a free trade agreement waiting to be signed and i assure you, that this is more important for your leaders than some smelly fishermen.

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[janon]

ou want my honest opinion? I see this as a banana republic. Our marines live a luxury life at our embassy while this so called court falls to its knees again and again. First it drops the terrorism and piracy act and now this.

They can live whatever life they want, when they are undertrials. They have not been convicted yet, and in India everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Bail is the norm and jail is the exception for undertrials. What do you think, India should tell them how to live their lives? If they live a luxurious life, that doesn't make India a banana republic.

"and now this"? now what? We allowed one of them to go and get medical treatment on the condition that he will return, with the ambassador himself having to stand guarantee? That doesn't make us a banana republic either, it makes us normal, civilized people. Are you saying that letting your marine die of a stroke was the proper course of action?

Yes we are not the USA. We are the EU, Indias greatest trading partner.

Umm....You are not the EU. The people under trial are not the EU. It is a couple of Italian marines. They are individuals who committed murder, and at most you can claim they were representing Italy - not the EU.

The Eu already stopped the talks about free trade with india because this issue.

Lying again. I asked you for a link for one of your claims earlier, and you did not provide one. I have to ask you to substantiate this claim, and I know for a fact that you will not be able to. You are again inflating your importance to Europe or the world The entire Europe is not going to jeopardize their trade for the sake of your two piddling marines. Understand that - nobody cares about them, nobody cares about your country. Here are the latest news reports about the FTA between India and EU:

'India willing to go ahead with free trade pact with EU' | Business Standard News
Free trade pact with EU possible | Business Standard News

The FTA talks with EU are proceeding as expected, and the issue of your silly marines has NEVER entered the picture. I will ask you again - show me a link that says EU has cancelled FTA talks for the sake of your incompetent marines.

I and the large majority in italy sees this as theater for the domestic audience.

You already told me how you see it. I asked you on what basis you formed the opinion, and you haven't answered that. Anyway it doesn't matter how you see it - the law is taking its course.

Now Latorre comes home and i´m sure Girone will follow soon. Who knows if Latorre even had a stroke? Embassy staff says he has no negative health effects from it.

He hasn't had a stroke. You ought to improve your reading comprehension skills.

The marine went home on the guarantee of the ambassador. If the marine doesn't return, the ambassador will eat government food in jail. It's that simple. You are aware aren't you, that your country tried to pull that stunt earlier and had to eat humble pie? Declaring that the marines won't return and then backtracking and sending them back? That your minister had to resign for that stupidity?

Your country is smarter than you - they will not play that drama again. If they do, then your ambassador can enjoy Tihar jail.

There is a free trade agreement waiting to be signed and i assure you, that this is more important for your leaders than some smelly fishermen.

The FTA will be signed or won't be signed, depending on the agreements and discussions. Your two retarded marines are not important enough for Europe to change its foreign policy. They don't enter the picture at all. As far as Europe is concerned, yes trade agreements and foreign relations are far more important than two monkeys with guns.


Now, if you have any integrity:
1) Give me links to your earlier claims that Italian forces have rescued Indians from pirates.
2) Give me links to your next claim that Europe has suspended FTA with India for the sake of your lousy marines.

If you can't do both the above, then feel sorry for your pathetic self.

 

[Indrani]

@seiko : I'm sure you know that indrani and her ilk will never blame the BJP whatever they do, and will always find fault with the congress, not matter what they do. Why do you want to waste several pages arguing about it, when the other person will never admit a mistake or change her view? You have pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of some people, and that should be enough, don't you think?

Yes, it is quite true that the same action performed by two different parties will elicit two different responses by people with certain cognitive biases. If the congress did this, there would be pungent cries of "sickularism", "Italian govt", "vatican" and so on. When the BJP govt does the same sensible thing, its kosher.

On topic, obviously this is the right thing to do, and I'm pretty sure they will not try any tricks like the previous time. That fiasco cost them in many ways, and their foreign minister had to resign over the idiocy.

Oh another sickular who thinks bail for christmas is the same as bail for stroke. Carry on.