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[Viet]

Before World War II, China had sovereignty over the South China Sea. During the Second World War, Japan occupied the South China Sea. After World War II, Japan acknowledged defeat and surrendered sovereignty over the South China Sea and its islands. As the main force in the Far East, China regained sovereignty over these areas and oceans. It's hard for you to understand, right? What help did you Vietnam provide to resist the Japanese fascist regime? Who gives you the courage to snatch China's booty?



If you want to reason with us, the historical facts now prove that your Vietnamese claim for sovereignty over the South China Sea comes from fantasy. If you don't want to be reasonable but ready to use force, be prepared to fight a maritime war with China. If you win, the South China Sea belongs to you. If you lose, all the territory of Vietnam belongs to China. It's so simple.

Taiwan is never part of PRC.
Sc sea is never part PRC neither China in history.
A concept of sea sovereignty is never known in chinese history.
Mastering the seas or sovereign of five seas is a concept of the British.
Japan wanted the Pacific. SC sea is just a part of it.
Prior the Japanese, the French controlled the seas including indochinese mainland.
Don’t insult the IQ of other people here!

 

[cgy]

Taiwan is never part of PRC.
Sc sea is never part PRC neither China in history.
A concept of sea sovereignty is never known in chinese history.
Mastering the seas or sovereign of five seas is a concept of the British.
Japan wanted the Pacific. SC sea is just a part of it.
Prior the Japanese, the French controlled the seas including indochinese mainland.
Don’t insult the IQ of other people here!

Your anger doesn't help change history. Your lies can't replace reality. In Chinese history, there has always been the concept of "five lakes and four seas". The five lakes are Dongting Lake, Poyang Lake, Chaohu Lake, Taihu Lake and Hongze Lake. The four seas are the East China Sea, the Yellow Sea, the South China Sea and the Bohai Sea.



I know that since Vietnam cut off Chinese education, you can't read your history books. Because all the credible history of ancient Vietnam is written in Chinese, it's normal that you don't understand the ancient history of China. This reflects your similar IQ and idea with Indians: take your fantasy as reality.

 

[Viet]

Your anger doesn't help change history. Your lies can't replace reality. In Chinese history, there has always been the concept of "five lakes and four seas". The five lakes are Dongting Lake, Poyang Lake, Chaohu Lake, Taihu Lake and Hongze Lake. The four seas are the East China Sea, the Yellow Sea, the South China Sea and the Bohai Sea.



I know that since Vietnam cut off Chinese education, you can't read your history books. Because all the credible history of ancient Vietnam is written in Chinese, it's normal that you don't understand the ancient history of China. This reflects your similar IQ and idea with Indians: take your fantasy as reality.

Nearly all western languages have their roots in Rome and Athen. Viet language has roots in Chinese? Ok where is the problem?
No Chinese history has no concept of controlling the seas.
Giving names to the seas does not mean anything.
Do you think you are the one that can give names to the seas? Other can’t?
Where did you to school?

 

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Serious? You make all Vietnamese are very embarrassed you know.

He is a S Vietnamese exile.

 

[cgy]

Nearly all western languages have their roots in Rome and Athen. Viet language has roots in Chinese? Ok where is the problem?
No Chinese history has no concept of controlling the seas.
Giving names to the seas does not mean anything.
Do you think you are the one that can give names to the seas? Other can’t?
Where did you to school?

I still say that, your own ignorance can not change the world, your fantasy can not change the reality. If you are not convinced, then go to war with China, but I don't think you have the courage.

 

[Viet]

I still say that, your own ignorance can not change the world, your fantasy can not change the reality. If you are not convinced, then go to war with China, but I don't think you have the courage.

Why should we start the war?
You can start the war.
We are too familiar with chinese aggressions.
One more war doesn’t matter.

 

[cgy]

Why should we start the war?
You can start the war.
We are too familiar with chinese aggressions.
One more war doesn’t matter.

Since you know that you don't have the courage to launch a war and have no confidence to win the war, just accept the fact that China controls the South China Sea. Don't talk nonsense every day like a complaining woman. Just sit quietly and wait for China to complete its third aircraft carrier and supporting fleet.

I have to remind you that the reason why China did not completely occupy Vietnam in the ancient wars after the Song Dynasty was that your land was only used for growing food and lacked minerals. Today, the interest of Chinese nationalists in restoring the territory of China's Tang and Yuan Dynasties is rising with the improvement of China's national strength and military strength.There are some Vietnamese who plagiarize Chinese history and culture and challenge the Chinese government and people,you should pray that the Communist Party of China will remain in power because they don't need to please the voters. Otherwise, no matter which party comes to power, China may fight Vietnam, South Korea and Japan in order to win votes. This time, I have no expectation that Vietnam will survive for six months.

 

[Suika]

An Indian with an IQ of 76 is not qualified to discuss World War II. The fact that the Indians who served as dogs to Japanese Nazis were not cleared after the war does not mean that we Chinese have forgotten. If you dare to start a war, try to see how long it will take us to hit New Delhi with the hydrogen bomb.

Good post. By entirely avoiding going into the history and trying to make some sort of rebuttal, that means defacto agreeing with the contents of the post, even though you don't like it.

 

[Suika]

Japan in 1930 was not that much different from China in 2020. Both wanted to kick the foreign powers out of East Asia. The main differences are:

1) Japanese people are more culturally warlike while Chinese people are more peaceful

2) Japanese are more racist while Chinese are more tolerant

3) Japanese liked a strategic gamble while Chinese are strategically patient

In short, PRC in 2020 is a more peaceful, more tolerant and more strategically patient version of 1930s Imperial Japan, but with the same goal of establishing hegemony over East Asia.

Well coming in addition to what the real and full circumstances that makes "aggressive" an exaggeration.. more points to consider.

The KMT apparently had some major recruitment issues for the war against Japan:

This was a deadly affair in which men were kidnapped for the army, rounded up indiscriminately by press-gangs or army units among those on the roads or in the towns and villages, or otherwise gathered together. Many men, some the very young and old, were killed resisting or trying to escape. Once collected, they would be roped or chained together and marched, with little food or water, long distances to camp. They often died or were killed along the way, sometimes less than 50 percent reaching camp alive. Then recruit camp was no better, with hospitals resembling Nazi concentration camps like Buchenwald.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revolutionary_Army

With that then a question arises? How could it be that recruitment was so difficult for the war against Japan if Japan was really so much at fault and so much in brutality. Sure brutality was carried out by the Japanese but was it really as widespread as typical MSM articles make it appear? Consider that in 1937 that the rival of Chiang Kai-shek, switched sides to the Japanese. This wasn't just some grunt or low ranking officer. It was Wang Jingwei who was probably the only person closer to Sun Yat-sen than Chinag Kai-shek. And he switched over to the Japanese. The Japanese gave him the top position of the newly formed Chinese government in Japanese controlled areas. If the Japanese were so bad, why would they grant him a full administration? He was permitted to have his on forces even. He did so for China's sake, not Japan's. Who are we to say that, suppose the war ended with collapse of the KMT and/or it's NRA, would Wang Jingwei really have been worse than Chinag Kai-shek or Mao Zedong? How intense would Japanese administration be over the Wang regime? Well a separate national status was given to Manchuria and was aimed as a mixed race nation, hence the different colors on its flag. Or how was Korea or Taiwan during colonial years of Japan? The GDP per capita of both those places was roughly half that of the main Japanese islands, In comparison to the colonies of other empires, that's actually a rather high ratio. Populations of both doubled or so as well. And while GDP per capita increased, the populations essentially doubled in both those places as well. Of course by saying so is not so much a statement of saying that both should still be part of an empire of Japan. Rather I could say that a free Korea could be said to be a good result from the destruction of Imperial Japan (although Korea getting cut in half with the north being crazy DPRK and the south taking 3 to surpass years when part of Imperial Japan.. hard to call that good result). Although I think even today it is a little regrettable that the US decided to force Taiwan out of Japan as part of unconditional term. At any rate, the nightmare of purges and "re-education" in 1950s communist China and its "great leaps" and "cultural revolution" would be difficult to see as better than Imperial Japan. And the suppression and forced cultural changes in Tibet and Xinjiang don't really look like better examples than Imperial Japan colonies of Korea or Taiwan.

 

[Feng Leng]

Well coming in addition to what the real and full circumstances that makes "aggressive" an exaggeration.. more points to consider.

The KMT apparently had some major recruitment issues for the war against Japan:

This was a deadly affair in which men were kidnapped for the army, rounded up indiscriminately by press-gangs or army units among those on the roads or in the towns and villages, or otherwise gathered together. Many men, some the very young and old, were killed resisting or trying to escape. Once collected, they would be roped or chained together and marched, with little food or water, long distances to camp. They often died or were killed along the way, sometimes less than 50 percent reaching camp alive. Then recruit camp was no better, with hospitals resembling Nazi concentration camps like Buchenwald.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revolutionary_Army

With that then a question arises? How could it be that recruitment was so difficult for the war against Japan if Japan was really so much at fault and so much in brutality. Sure brutality was carried out by the Japanese but was it really as widespread as typical MSM articles make it appear? Consider that in 1937 that the rival of Chiang Kai-shek, switched sides to the Japanese. This wasn't just some grunt or low ranking officer. It was Wang Jingwei who was probably the only person closer to Sun Yat-sen than Chinag Kai-shek. And he switched over to the Japanese. The Japanese gave him the top position of the newly formed Chinese government in Japanese controlled areas. If the Japanese were so bad, why would they grant him a full administration? He was permitted to have his on forces even. He did so for China's sake, not Japan's. Who are we to say that, suppose the war ended with collapse of the KMT and/or it's NRA, would Wang Jingwei really have been worse than Chinag Kai-shek or Mao Zedong? How intense would Japanese administration be over the Wang regime? Well a separate national status was given to Manchuria and was aimed as a mixed race nation, hence the different colors on its flag. Or how was Korea or Taiwan during colonial years of Japan? The GDP per capita of both those places was roughly half that of the main Japanese islands, In comparison to the colonies of other empires, that's actually a rather high ratio. Populations of both doubled or so as well. And while GDP per capita increased, the populations essentially doubled in both those places as well. Of course by saying so is not so much a statement of saying that both should still be part of an empire of Japan. Rather I could say that a free Korea could be said to be a good result from the destruction of Imperial Japan (although Korea getting cut in half with the north being crazy DPRK and the south taking 3 to surpass years when part of Imperial Japan.. hard to call that good result). Although I think even today it is a little regrettable that the US decided to force Taiwan out of Japan as part of unconditional term. At any rate, the nightmare of purges and "re-education" in 1950s communist China and its "great leaps" and "cultural revolution" would be difficult to see as better than Imperial Japan. And the suppression and forced cultural changes in Tibet and Xinjiang don't really look like better examples than Imperial Japan colonies of Korea or Taiwan.

There is no doubt that Chinese are culturally more tolerant than Japanese of the early 20th century. Koreans are close blood relations to the Japanese. They were not even fighting a war against Japan like the Chinese were. Korea was already a colony. Yet Japan treated Koreans very, very badly. Compare this to the Korean ethnic minority today in China living in Yanbian who have always been treated well. Chinese are simply not as racist as Japanese. After the war, all the Japanese civilians in Manchuria (and Japanese civilians in Taiwan) simply adopted Han surnames and became Chinese. German Fascism influence on Japan made the early 20th century Japanese too racist to sustain a large empire. A large empire needs to be more racially tolerant.

 

[Suika]

There is no doubt that Chinese are culturally more tolerant than Japanese of the early 20th century. Koreans are close blood relations to the Japanese. They were not even fighting a war against Japan like the Chinese were. Korea was already a colony. Yet Japan treated Koreans very, very badly. Compare this to the Korean ethnic minority today in China living in Yanbian who have always been treated well. Chinese are simply not as racist as Japanese. After the war, all the Japanese civilians in Manchuria (and Japanese civilians in Taiwan) simply adopted Han surnames and became Chinese. German Fascism influence on Japan made the early 20th century Japanese too racist to sustain a large empire. A large empire needs to be more racially tolerant.

Yanbian.. a place with 2,200,000 population but with only 30% Korean ethnicity. Yeah sure..

That makes only 750,000 Koreans. The CCP government probably can't wait until it gets the 15 million Uyghur population in Xinjiang down to 750,000 and then slab "Autonomous" on the cover of it while the 750,000 Uyghurs live next to 10 million Han Chinese.

That aside, I'm sure individual can make a descent life in the PRC with all the basic needs of living being provided. But the same was the case for colonial Korea. While at the same time, Colonial Koreans had very little freedom for political activity unless they bought into the Imperial Japanese system (which by the way, there were many). It's the same for any Koreans in the PRC. They buy into the system or just go along with it. They won't be able to establish any degree of real autonomy in PRC territory.

 

[Feng Leng]

Yanbian.. a place with 2,200,000 population but with only 30% Korean ethnicity. Yeah sure..

That makes only 750,000 Koreans. The CCP government probably can't wait until it gets the 15 million Uyghur population in Xinjiang down to 750,000 and then slab "Autonomous" on the cover of it while the 750,000 Uyghurs live next to 10 million Han Chinese.

That aside, I'm sure individual can make a descent life in the PRC with all the basic needs of living being provided. But the same was the case for colonial Korea. While at the same time, Colonial Koreans had very little freedom for political activity unless they bought into the Imperial Japanese system (which by the way, there were many). It's the same for any Koreans in the PRC. They buy into the system or just go along with it. They won't be able to establish any degree of real autonomy in PRC territory.

Japanese people believe after Song nobility died during the Mongol invasion, classical Chinese civilization ended in the mainland and the classical Tang culture only lives on in Japan. This is only partly true.

The Meiji spirit of the late 19th / early 20th century Japan has been destroyed by the 80 year US occupation. But I believe the PRC today is the spiritual successor to the late 19th / early 20th century Japan, except we are not as cruel or racist. We will succeed driving the Western powers out of East Asia where Imperial Japan failed. Our battle against the Americans over Taiwan will be a re-run of the Russo-Japanese War of 1904.

 

[mike2000 is back]

What really seemed to have happened is that the corrupt KMT was struggling to finish off the Chinese communists after the long march and the Chinese communist successfully diverted KMT attention to Japan. The Chinese communist didn't help very much against Japan. Just enough to use as propaganda tool for their recruitment campaign as KMT bleeds in doing the bulk of the fighting.

That is a very key point . However to be fair, it's normal that the CCP was hiding and avoided major fights against Japan while building up their forces for a future showdown against the KMT( their main enemy). The CCP was merely a militia/rebel group back then , just like we have militias and rebel groups in Syria trying to topple the government today. So they were in no shape to fight a vastly superior and battle hardened enemy like Japan openly. They merely harrased the Japanese once in a while . The main fight against Japan was carried out by the Chinese national army KMT which is normal. Obviously the communists after the won the civil war they avoided recognising or even teaching this facts to the common Chinese which is normal politically since it didn't fit their narrative or party interests .
That's why China was the only major allied nation(until recently) to never have a victory day celebration since the CCP wasn't foolish enough to recognise and officially admit and celebrate KMT war contribution against Japan. So it was a dilemma for them. Even Chinese movies about WWII they sometimes don't know how to define this since the CCP finds it hard to expose or act the truth of KMT war contribution against Japan while showing the CCP as having a minor to no significant role. So if a movie like that is screened it might be censored I the country. It's a tragedy if you look at it. The KMT and CCP fight actually confined China alot. A divided country will always be set back. The problem is that both sides just cared about taking power and ruling the country. They cared more about their own power base than the country per se. So it's difficult for any side to make compromises in this case, since they just want power and to be the sole ruler of the country . That's the only reason why democratic countries tend to be more stable in the long term than autocratic one party state. Since if there is a major instability leading to the fall of an autocratic one man leader/dictator or party then the country falls into turmoil easily, since everything has been set up to serve that dictator or party so when they collapse there is no power base for the country to carry on peacefully since there is a huge vacuum to fill which can lead to instability as different actors hustle for power to fill that vacuum.

 

[cgy]

Good post. By entirely avoiding going into the history and trying to make some sort of rebuttal, that means defacto agreeing with the contents of the post, even though you don't like it.

Keep living in your fantasy, superpower 2020

 

[Place Of Space]

That is a very key point . However to be fair, it's normal that the CCP was hiding and avoided major fights against Japan while building up their forces for a future showdown against the KMT( their main enemy). The CCP was merely a militia/rebel group back then , just like we have militias and rebel groups in Syria trying to topple the government today. So they were in no shape to fight a vastly superior and battle hardened enemy like Japan openly. They merely harrased the Japanese once in a while . The main fight against Japan was carried out by the Chinese national army KMT which is normal. Obviously the communists after the won the civil war they avoided recognising or even teaching this facts to the common Chinese which is normal politically since it didn't fit their narrative or party interests .
That's why China was the only major allied nation(until recently) to never have a victory day celebration since the CCP wasn't foolish enough to recognise and officially admit and celebrate KMT war contribution against Japan. So it was a dilemma for them. Even Chinese movies about WWII they sometimes don't know how to define this since the CCP finds it hard to expose or act the truth of KMT war contribution against Japan while showing the CCP as having a minor to no significant role. So if a movie like that is screened it might be censored I the country. It's a tragedy if you look at it. The KMT and CCP fight actually confined China alot. A divided country will always be set back. The problem is that both sides just cared about taking power and ruling the country. They cared more about their own power base than the country per se. So it's difficult for any side to make compromises in this case, since they just want power and to be the sole ruler of the country . That's the only reason why democratic countries tend to be more stable in the long term than autocratic one party state. Since if there is a major instability leading to the fall of an autocratic one man leader/dictator or party then the country falls into turmoil easily, since everything has been set up to serve that dictator or party so when they collapse there is no power base for the country to carry on peacefully since there is a huge vacuum to fill which can lead to instability as different actors hustle for power to fill that vacuum.

You pretend to know and type a long comments, but you are actually not sure what you talk about, right?

Chinese high school history book expound complete content of KMT frontline battlefield and communist party guerrilla battle. You know nothing, you need learn.

I teach you some history, damn it's really a waste of my time. Communist party was not a rebel group. China's founding father Sun Yatsen issued KMT guiding principle in 1923: ally with Russia, ally with communist, support the farmer and worker. He wants to reform the KMT, organize and unify all people in China. His successor deviate off his principles, the worst thing is KMT gradually disconnect with the vast basic roots. Its policy can't reach the vast countryside. This is not the fatal blow. Japan invasion causes factory shutdown, farmers escaped from farmland, workers lose jobs, prices rise, inflation high to the sky...all these make the KMT finally lose the main supports from citizens, "middle incomes", professionals.

China has victory day celebration on 3rd Sept. and the parade is large scale. CIS countires like Russia, Belarus, some ASEAN countries, Mongolia, Pakistan, Serbia, Korea's top leaders attend the celebration. You even don't know it. I imagine the level you are brainwashed by your govt and medias, because you pride leader didn't attend and report it.