Suddenly, the Chinese Threat to Australia Seems Very Real

[beijingwalker]

It actually mean nothing. Because an average Australian can also say

Now it is end of the year, another 5 Chinese family earning is being added to my bank account.

China have 1.4 billions people, while Australia only have 24 millions, or 0.024 billions of people, for those of you who don't know, that's 50 times the Population of Australia. And yet China can only add the entire Australian GDP to its score, which mean of the 1.4 billions people, they can only manage to add what the whole 24 millions people earn in Australia. Bear in mind US also added the whole Australia GDP in their tank, and they only have 330 millions people.

I m not getting average income of China and China has way more rich people than Australia, here we are talking about national strength, a Chinese family won't be a threat in the eyes of the west, but a Chinese nation is.

 

[Nan Yang]

I don't know how easy it would get to install a mole in the parliament, but that does not mean it cannot be done. And I am not sure if you have heard of the 黄向墨 incident earlier in Australia. It was reveal after a Royal Commission which leading to Huang being strip off his residence and a few MP resigned. So yes, foreign influence to Australian Parliament is possible. Whether or not this spy reveal to be truth is one thing. But that is not a far away make believe story.

Like the chip hack story, you didn't see it does not mean it does not exist.

About Lee Wen Ho, first of all, not being able to convict does not equal to innocents, that is when you gone thru a trial and you were found not guilty. Not being able to convict is just that, I don't have enough evident that goes beyond the reasonable doubt that you did that crime. It doesn't matter if they have 60 FBI agent or 200 FBI agent, if you cannot gather enough evidence to go over the threshold, you can't proceed with the prosecution.

I didn't read the cox report prior to this conversation, as I have zero interest with current affair in the United States, I do a quick search on Cox Report and Lee Wen Ho in google, it mention something about racial profiling, and political character assassination. If this is what you are talking about. Then maybe, I don't know, but that does not negate the fact that he did pled guilty and took the plea bargain. I don't believe anyone who have done nothing wrong are willing to pled guilty on a crime and serve time.

As for jhungary, well, you are the second person accuse me of being him. I don't really know who this person is, and after you accusing me of being him, I have search his post history here. If you read his post, you know beside content rich reply, we have different interest. I don't think I have ever care about the US either in this forum or in real life, he is an American, he post frequently in American Forum. His post are all about military, well, it's logically since he claim to be a soldier. My post is all about Law and Economy. See there? We have different interest. And probably the final thing I would say it's completely different is that he always claim to be a Chinese, I never consider myself a Chinese, in fact, I don't like it when people call me Chinese. There are also a few different attribute he claim is different than what I claim, but since we cannot verify them online, so I did not count them.

And if you believe people are stupid enough to wait for 6 months and open another account and go back to a anonymous forum just to post there, I mean, was it too much work for something very, extremely trivial? I mean this is not anything remotely important, it's just a forum, why would someone wait 6 months to come back to this forum and post under a different identity? Of course, if you want to believe I am him, that's up to you,

PS. I post long because you post long, if you only have a few quick question, I would have posted with a few quick answer. Also, I joined this forum after I got to Australia for my studies in late July, when someone told me about this forum, before than I was in Hong Kong and I am active only in Hong Kong forum, like 88.com, HK Golden and so on. And finally, I don't see why me and jhungary said the same thing regarding Lee Wen Ho was a surprise, Lee pled guilty, and that is a fact, and as long as it stays as a fact, it would be the same regardless who said that.

If you say you are not jHungary, I believe you. Was just asking.

Installing a spy may be possible. Anything is possible. Yes you have to hide your funding, you have to find a person that has good standing to be able to win but at the same time willing to betray his country and risk jail time if caught. Good luck finding such a person. Too many thing could go wrong.

No. Its still way to crazy to be true. More likely a fear mongering story which has history of happening again and again.

Same for the Chip hack story. Yes there is always the possibility.
First you need the schematics and the layout. The schematic are confidential and maybe even the manufacturer may not have it. Assuming you somehow got the schematic, after understanding the working of the schematic you need to modify the layout to added your chip. Then you will need to replace the original layout in the system. Then you also need to add this chip to the supply chain. NOT easy to do. So so many things could go wrong.
I work in manufacturing. Variation is the biggest enemy of manufacturing. There are pattern recognition system at various stages of manufacturing. Any slight variation is caught. Not to mention customer regularly visit their contractor for audits, checking on layout revision, document etc.

Again more logically this is fear mongering to make US PCB designers to quit China in the on going trade war which make more sense.

 

[Nasr]

You said Australians are sleazy for following up on a spy. I asked a simple question of you. If the same report came into Pakistan about spying activities that included installing a Senator in your parliament, would you then consider Pakistani authorities to be foolish and sleazy to be alarmed and follow up?

Why be alarmed when allied itself with America and Britain that have spied, destroyed governments and ravaged nations across the planet? Showing alarm at an alleged report of some spy (paid actor) to sensationalize it and make a hype about something that does not exist. Just like the dramatics that took place in London last week. A stupid, british born retard, who follows another fanatic brit and spends all day on Call of Duty. Then picks up a knife to stab someone in broad daylight only to get arrested. And of course he did not forget to chant "Allahu Akbar."

Spare me your ignorance and absolute absence of intellect.

 

[KungFuLee]

If you say you are not jHungary, I believe you. Was just asking.

Installing a spy may be possible. Anything is possible. Yes you have to hide your funding, you have to find a person that has good standing to be able to win but at the same time willing to betray his country and risk jail time if caught. Good luck finding such a person. Too many thing could go wrong.

No. Its still way to crazy to be true. More likely a fear mongering story which has history of happening again and again.

Same for the Chip hack story. Yes there is always the possibility.

First you need the schematics and the layout. The schematic are confidential and maybe even the manufacturer may not have it. Assuming you somehow got the schematic, after understanding the working of the schematic you need to modify the layout to added your chip. Then you will need to replace the original layout in the system. Then you also need to add this chip to the supply chain. NOT easy to do. So so many things could go wrong.
I work in manufacturing. Variation is the biggest enemy of manufacturing. There are pattern recognition system at various stages of manufacturing. Any slight variation is caught. Not to mention customer regularly visit their contractor for audits, checking on layout revision, document etc.

Again more logically this is fear mongering to make US PCB designers to quit China in the on going trade war which make more sense.

Well, you need to know how spying work, you cannot spy on Australia when you are all the way in China, at some point in time, you need a local source and provide you with the information you need, this is what spy do worldwide. So if you say "Good luck finding such a person willing to betray his country and risk jail time if caught" Then I guess no country can spy on other, because if there don't exist this type of people, there would be no spying.

Again, what Wang said is not anything out of anyone imagination, again, let me refer you to the case of 黄向墨, he donate thousands to millions of dollars to both State and Federal Labour party, and those donation were suspected to be allocated from Communist Party of China to put some our Australia States and Federal MP in his pocket. This scandal have already led to resignation of 3 Federal/State Labour MPs. Sam Dastyari, Kaila Murnain and Ernest Wong. I mean, if buying the preference on MPs are actually on the table, how far is it for the Communist Party of China to install a candidate in State or Federal Parliament?

I have no idea how espionage work or the Chip Hack, but I know this. Just because one thing highly likely does not work does not negate the possibility of the other. And secondly, there are some sort of preference influence on non-government organisation in Australia, so it would not be hard at all to infiltrate the government. Simply because Australia Politics are quite open, and the only thing you need to win a election is if you have money to put in your electoral campaign, and money is not what Chinese Government lack.

I m not getting average income of China and China has way more rich people than Australia, here we are talking about national strength, a Chinese family won't be a threat in the eyes of the west, but a Chinese nation is.

You failed to see my point, saying China as a nation is rich does not mean anything, just as I said average Australian family earn more money than average Chinese family mean nothing. That's because GDP alone does not indicate how strong a country was. That is because while the earning of a country proportional to its population, the spending of a country ALSO proportional to its population. For example, if you have more people in your country, you will earn more money as an country, however, you country will spend more money on infrastructure such as hospital, transportation and education because you have a larger population.

In this case, China have 4 times the population that of the US, 50 times of population that of Australia. So, by that definition, Chinese expenditure is that of 4 times on the US, and 50 times that of Australia, if China give exactly the same right and benefit than American and Australian. But China only have 80% of US GDP, and 11 times of Australia GDP. So by all account, unless China spend nothing on their population at all regarding infrastructure and all, that mean the standard of those things are behind both US and Australia.

Yes, China as a country earn A lot of money over a year, but China also have a lot of mouth to feed and maintain, unless you tell me China give two hoot about its own citizen and devoted all the funding to military and nation development, then China is at a back had against both Australia and definitely America. That is the problem you failed to see

 

[Manidabest]

why the hell australia is acting soo weird

 

[FedererExpress]

why the hell australia is acting soo weird

Because CCP is the biggest threat to the free world since 1930’s Germany. Even a bigger threat than what the Soviets were. They are a complete menace to our way of life. Our freedoms are threatened by the CCP. CCP aren’t just bad, aren’t just evil, they are pure evil. A free and Democratic China is an economic competitor but not a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. China ruled by a totalitarian Communist dictatorship is a complete nightmare to the free world. This is why I don’t view India as a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. India is a free and Democratic country with a strong political opposition, free media, rule of law, independent judiciary. CCP is our mortal enemy.

 

[Nan Yang]

Because CCP is the biggest threat to the free world since 1930’s Germany. Even a bigger threat than what the Soviets were. They are a complete menace to our way of live. Our freedoms are threatened by the CCP. CCP aren’t just bad, aren’t just evil, they are pure evil. A free and Democratic China is an economic competitor but not a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. China ruled by a totalitarian Communist dictatorship is a complete nightmare for the free world. This is why I don’t view India as a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. India is a free and Democratic country with a strong political opposition, free media, rule of law, independent judiciary. CCP is our mortal enemy.

Ha ha ha. What do you know about democracy?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Why be alarmed when allied itself with America and Britain that have spied, destroyed governments and ravaged nations across the planet? Showing alarm at an alleged report of some spy (paid actor) to sensationalize it and make a hype about something that does not exist. Just like the dramatics that took place in London last week. A stupid, british born retard, who follows another fanatic brit and spends all day on Call of Duty. Then picks up a knife to stab someone in broad daylight only to get arrested. And of course he did not forget to chant "Allahu Akbar."

Spare me your ignorance and absolute absence of intellect.

What is being allied with America or the UK have to do with my question? Are you saying if it happened to Pakistan, you wouldn't be alarmed because you are allied with China?

If you apply the same reasoning as you have stated here to Pakistan, then you should never be alarmed with any reporting of Indian spies. Lastly, I'm not sure what the terrorist attack in Britain has to do with the topic of spying. It seems you are fetching for distractions in answering a simple question. Anyways, I have my answer behind your motives. Good day.

 

[Nasr]

What is being allied with America or the UK have to do with my question? Are you saying if it happened to Pakistan, you wouldn't be alarmed because you are allied with China?

If you apply the same reasoning as you have stated here to Pakistan, then you should never be alarmed with any reporting of Indian spies. Lastly, I'm not sure what the terrorist attack in Britain has to do with the topic of spying. It seems you are fetching for distractions in answering a simple question. Anyways, I have my answer behind your motives. Good day.

Being the ally of America or Britain is crux of this matter. For those who ally themselves with America, Britain or France, are essentially vassal states of the parasitic cancer which is Zionism. America, Britain or France have lied and deceived their way through the pages of history. Whether it be WMD in Iraq, whether it be the dismemberment of the Ottoman Khilafah by having the Ottomans and Russians fight wars till they grow so weak that both countries could be taken over by pro-West regimes or at least could be a useful rival that would ensure Western rule over the world for the next 50-70 years, if it could last that long.

However it may be, in the end, in the matter between truth and falsehood ... the reality becomes clear as daylight, when one poses the question that "if your friend/s are liars and deceivers, then what does that make you?" It's the sort of question Australia ought to ask itself, don't you think?

 

[Manidabest]

Because CCP is the biggest threat to the free world since 1930’s Germany. Even a bigger threat than what the Soviets were. They are a complete menace to our way of life. Our freedoms are threatened by the CCP. CCP aren’t just bad, aren’t just evil, they are pure evil. A free and Democratic China is an economic competitor but not a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. China ruled by a totalitarian Communist dictatorship is a complete nightmare to the free world. This is why I don’t view India as a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. India is a free and Democratic country with a strong political opposition, free media, rule of law, independent judiciary. CCP is our mortal enemy.

free world ?? and india is a free country??? just look at what kashmiris r going through in indian forecfully held Kashmir...

 

[DavidsSling]

free world ?? and india is a free country??? just look at what kashmiris r going through in indian forecfully held Kashmir...

It's India's internal matter, why is Pakistan sticking their noses into it?

As far as the world sees it India is not committing genocide like your best friends China is against Muslims why don't more Muslimes migrate to China since Muslims like bending over a barrel to China without the lube.

Just because you like licking Chinese boots doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

 

[Manidabest]

It's India's internal matter, why is Pakistan sticking their noses into it?

As far as the world sees it India is not committing genocide like your best friends China is against Muslims why don't more Muslimes migrate to China since Muslims like bending over a barrel to China without the lube.

Just because you like licking Chinese boots doesn't mean the rest of the world does.

india's internal matter??? what a nonsense.... but who m i telling this ?? u ??? u urself is a european trying to occupy middle eastern land just like ur ancestors did in US, Canada, South America, Australia, South Africa and New zealand

 

[DavidsSling]

india's internal matter??? what a nonsense.... but who m i telling this ?? u ??? u urself is a european trying to occupy middle eastern land just like ur ancestors did in US, Canada, South America, Australia, South Africa and New zealand

WOw I must be a superhero trying to conquer Muslims when your best friends China is committing genocide yet you want to talk about India, why aren't you Muslims talking about what China is doing to your people? Ohh I forget that Muslims kill each other anyway LOL.

 

[beijingwalker]

WOw I must be a superhero trying to conquer Muslims when your best friends China is committing genocide yet you want to talk about India, why aren't you Muslims talking about what China is doing to your people? Ohh I forget that Muslims kill each other anyway LOL.

How many people died from your so called genocide?They live a way way better life than average Indians. And we all know that is a fact.

 

[DavidsSling]

How many people died from your so called genocide?They live a way way better life than average Indians. And we all know that is a fact.

Yeah ok living in a concentration camp, getting their organs harvested is a better life, lol you should talk to the Pakistanis they will believe your shit, ohh thats right they have been eating Chinese crap for decades now.