“Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report.

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“Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report.
SAJJAD HAIDER
Published
2013-10-19 18:36:59

A recently released UN report suggests there is “strong evidence” that top Pakistani military and intelligence officials approved US drone strikes on Pakistani soil during 2004 and 2008.

The study says in some cases, even “senior government figures” gave their approval to the strikes in the country’s militancy-hit tribal areas.

“There is strong evidence to suggest that between June 2004 and June 2008 remotely piloted aircraft strikes in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas were conducted with the active consent and approval of senior members of the Pakistani military and intelligence service, and with at least the acquiescence and, in some instances, the active approval of senior government figures,” says the report by Ben Emmerson, UN Special Rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism.

The report, however, does not elaborate on the details of the evidence collected.

Islamabad officially condemns US drone attacks as a violation of its sovereignty and counter-productive in the fight against terrorism and militancy.

In April this year, former military dictator Gen (Retd) Pervez Musharraf admitted in an interview to CNN that his government had given approval “only on very few occasions”.

Musharraf, who ruled over Pakistan until 2008 after coming to power in a bloodless coup as army chief of staff in 1999, said drone strikes were discussed and approved “at the military and intelligence levels” but only “two or three times”.

Together with a study by the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial executions, Christof Heyns, Emmerson’s interim report will be debated at the UN General Assembly on October 25, 2013.

In an apparent reference to Pakistan, Heyns’ report suggests consent from military or intelligence officials may not be enough to satisfy legal requirements for drone strikes according to international, humanitarian and human rights law.

“Only the State’s highest government authorities have the power to give consent to use force. It is not sufficient to obtain consent from regional authorities or from particular agencies or departments of the Government,” says the report, which lays down the legal conditions for the use of drones in armed conflicts around the world.

The report adds that though consent may not necessarily be made public, it must be “clear between the States concerned that consent is being given to a use of force, and the parameters of that consent should also be made clear.”

“Once consent to the use of force is withdrawn, the State conducting the targeting operations is bound by international law to refrain from conducting any further operations from that moment,” it says, adding that states “cannot consent to violations of international human rights law or international humanitarian law on their territory.”

Emerson, during his international investigation into drone strikes and targeted killings, visited Pakistan in March this year and was provided with statistics by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs recording at least 330 drone strikes in Fata since 2004.

According to the numbers provided by the Pakistani government, US drone strikes have resulted in at least 2,200 deaths in Pakistan, out of which the government confirms at least 400 were civilians, with an additional 200 individuals regarded as “probable non-combatants.”

“Officials indicated that, owing to underreporting and obstacles to effective investigation, those figures [of civilian casualties] were likely to be an underestimate,” says the report.

Emmerson urged the United States to “release its own data on the level of civilian casualties” caused by drone strikes to increase the level of transparency on the controversial campaign.

The release of both reports coincides with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to Washington to meet US President Barack Obama.

A spokesman for the Sharif government says the Pakistani premier will raise the prickly issue of the Obama administration’s drone campaign in Pakistan's tribal area

?Strong evidence? Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report - DAWN.COM

 

[Ammyy]

Is their any doubt that they didn't approved such strikes??

Just like US airbase in past this is also never revealed in Pakistan

 

[Gautam]

Kiyani even requested the US to increase the drone strikes. And its a good thing really. I support drone strikes in Pakistan everyday so that maximum terrorists can be killed. Good for Pakistan too.

 

[faisal6309]

Drones are good if they are from Pakistan. Pakistan also have UAVs then why not them?

Drones of Pakistan

Ababeel (Small Scale Target Drone), developed by PAC[83]
Ababeel III (Target Drone),developed by Albadeey Technologies.[84]
Aerobot (Various research purposes), developed by Pakistan Aerospace.[85]
Bazz UAV (Target Drone), developed by Technocrafts.[86]
Baaz UAV (large) (Large Scale Target Drone), developed by PAC[83]
Border Eagle (Surveillance Drone),developed by Integrated Dynamics.[87]
Burraq UAV (Combat drone under development by NESCOM).[88]
Explorer UAV (Civilian UAV), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[89]
Falco UAV (Version of Italian drone built by PAC under licence.)[90]
Firefly UAV (Rocket Propelled UAV), under development by Integrated Dynamics.[91]
Flamingo UAV (Medium Range UAV), Reconnaissance Drone built by SATUMA.[92]
FST UAV(Full Scale Trainer UAV), developed by SATUMA.[93]
GIDS Shahpar, developed by GIDS.[94]
Hawk MK-V UAV, developed by Integrated Dynamics.[91][95]
Hornet UAV (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[96]
HST UAV (Half Scale Trainer UAV), developed by SATUMA.[97]
HUMA I (Remote Sensing), developed by Integrated Defence Systems.[98]
Jasoos (Reconnaissance Drone), developed by SATUMA.[99]
Jasoos II (Bravo +), (Tactical Range Reconnaissance), developed by SATUMA.[99]
Jumbo Bazz (Larger Version of Bazz), developed by Technocrafts.[100]
Mini Electric UAV (Silent UAV), developed by Technocrafts.[101]
Mukhbaar (Short Range Reconnaissance Drone), developed by SATUMA.[102]
Nishan MK-II (High Speed Target Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[103]
Nishan TJ-1000 (Jet Powered Target Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[104]
Rover UAV (Civilian Scientific Data Gatherer), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[105]
Satuma NB-X2[citation needed]
Satuma Jassos[citation needed]
Shadow MK-II (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[106]
Shooting Star UAV (High Speed Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.[107]
Stingray UAV (Mini UAV), developed by SATUMA.[108]
Tornado UAV (Decoy UAV), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[109]
Tunder SR (Short Range Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.[110]
Tunder LR (Long Range Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.[111]
Uqab UAV (Real Time Reconnaissance), developed by ACES.[112][113]
Uqab-II (Naval Variant of the Uqab), Pakistan Navy has inducted first squadron.[114]
Vector UAV (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[115]
Vision MK-I (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[116]
Vision MK-II (Larger version of MK-I), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[117]

 

[Imran Khan]

only one of them can carry a bomb dude and its mini drone

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Drones are good if they are from Pakistan. Pakistan also have UAVs then why not them?

Drones of Pakistan

Ababeel (Small Scale Target Drone), developed by PAC[83]
Ababeel III (Target Drone),developed by Albadeey Technologies.[84]
Aerobot (Various research purposes), developed by Pakistan Aerospace.[85]
Bazz UAV (Target Drone), developed by Technocrafts.[86]
Baaz UAV (large) (Large Scale Target Drone), developed by PAC[83]
Border Eagle (Surveillance Drone),developed by Integrated Dynamics.[87]
Burraq UAV (Combat drone under development by NESCOM).[88]
Explorer UAV (Civilian UAV), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[89]
Falco UAV (Version of Italian drone built by PAC under licence.)[90]
Firefly UAV (Rocket Propelled UAV), under development by Integrated Dynamics.[91]
Flamingo UAV (Medium Range UAV), Reconnaissance Drone built by SATUMA.[92]
FST UAV(Full Scale Trainer UAV), developed by SATUMA.[93]
GIDS Shahpar, developed by GIDS.[94]
Hawk MK-V UAV, developed by Integrated Dynamics.[91][95]
Hornet UAV (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[96]
HST UAV (Half Scale Trainer UAV), developed by SATUMA.[97]
HUMA I (Remote Sensing), developed by Integrated Defence Systems.[98]
Jasoos (Reconnaissance Drone), developed by SATUMA.[99]
Jasoos II (Bravo +), (Tactical Range Reconnaissance), developed by SATUMA.[99]
Jumbo Bazz (Larger Version of Bazz), developed by Technocrafts.[100]
Mini Electric UAV (Silent UAV), developed by Technocrafts.[101]
Mukhbaar (Short Range Reconnaissance Drone), developed by SATUMA.[102]
Nishan MK-II (High Speed Target Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[103]
Nishan TJ-1000 (Jet Powered Target Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[104]
Rover UAV (Civilian Scientific Data Gatherer), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[105]
Satuma NB-X2[citation needed]
Satuma Jassos[citation needed]
Shadow MK-II (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[106]
Shooting Star UAV (High Speed Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.[107]
Stingray UAV (Mini UAV), developed by SATUMA.[108]
Tornado UAV (Decoy UAV), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[109]
Tunder SR (Short Range Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.[110]
Tunder LR (Long Range Target Drone), developed by SATUMA.[111]
Uqab UAV (Real Time Reconnaissance), developed by ACES.[112][113]
Uqab-II (Naval Variant of the Uqab), Pakistan Navy has inducted first squadron.[114]
Vector UAV (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[115]
Vision MK-I (Surveillance Drone), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[116]
Vision MK-II (Larger version of MK-I), developed by Integrated Dynamics.[117]

No mention of Shahpar? obsolete data.

 

[Side-Winder]

Real #shame for us,
can any military allow others to bomb it's people like this?

P.S no need argue drones kill terrorists and yap yap yap...

 

[tarrar]

This is yet another way to protect the corrupt, incompetent & spineless politicians. Where as the truth is all these Aid packages like US Aid, Kerry Lugar Bill & all those dark aid packages which Zardari agreed on early in his term gave US unlimited access to do whatever they want to do in Pakistan. Drone attacks, Blackwater, huge US Embassy & other shadow operation in Pakistan are thanks to Zardari & now patwari has gone to US to expand all this evil BS.

Pak Army & Intel Agencies are always targeted by politicians & even Malala did the same to gain popularity.

I pray for Military take over & I favor it.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

This is yet another way to protect the corrupt, incompetent & spineless politicians. Where as the truth is all these Aid packages like US Aid, Kerry Lugar Bill & all those dark aid packages which Zardari agreed on early in his term gave US unlimited access to do whatever they want to do in Pakistan. Drone attacks, Blackwater, huge US Embassy & other shadow operation in Pakistan are thanks to Zardari & now patwari has gone to US to expand all this evil BS.

Pak Army & Intel Agencies are always targeted by politicians & even Malala did the same to gain popularity.

I pray for Military take over & I favor it.

Did you even read the article? It says that it was Pakistani military and intelligence that gave the go ahead for the Drone strikes and not the politicians.

 

[Fracker]

Who the hell is the army to approve drone strikes? USA/UN keeping double standards, when it comes to put sanctions on Pakistan they claim that is because of Army Rule, and when it comes to Approving Drone strikes they claim army approval is sufficient to destroy any country's sovereignty.

Also, this report not showing the facts, on what occasions army approved for drone strike? for permanent agreement there would be a written paper/ agreement/MOM/MOQ something with the government, with time limit. Where is that? Is USA has it or UN then show it why the hell justifying those thousands civilians killing with some fake report. Always last question comes why Pakistani Hate USA. Here is single example other than many.

@Op, where is the UN report which is showing how many civilians got killed by these drone strikes? why showing half report to twist the reality?

 

[niaz]

Real #shame for us,
can any military allow others to bomb it's people like this?

P.S no need argue drones kill terrorists and yap yap yap...

Sir,

From the start I would like to make it clear that I do not support drone attacks. It is a clear breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty and also kills many innocents as ‘collateral damage’ along with the terrorists.

However I strong contest the comments 'yap yap yap' quoted above as this contradicts the facts.

Pakistani flag cannot and does not fly over North Waziristan. GOP writ and laws don’t apply to North Waziristan area. Pakistan army cannot enter; if it did it will meet armed resistance. For all practical purposes this is an independent area under the Taliban control.

It is possible that Pak Army may have agreed to drone attacks, because drone do target Taliban & Alqaida leaders. Innocents get killed because of poor intelligence.

Here is the list of the terrorist leaders killed in drone attacks since 2005.

14 May 2005: 2 killed including Al-Qaida leader Haitham al-Yemeni in a strike

5 November 2005: a strike destroys the house of AL Qaeda leader Abu Hamza Rabia killing his wife, three children and four others.

16 January 2007: Up to 30 Taliban killed in a drone strike in Salamat Keley, Zamazola, South Waziristan.

29 January 2008: Al-Qaeda's Abu Laith al-Libi killed in a strike in North Waziristan al

14 May 2008: 12–15 including Abu Sulayman Al-Jazairi killed near village of Damadola,

28 July 2008: Midhat Mursi and 5 other people killed in South Waziristan.

7 September 2008: US drone attack in Baghar Cheena region of South Waziristan kills 5 militants including Al Qaeda operative Abu Ubaydah al Tunisi. carrying Canadian passports.

6 October 2008: Senior Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Habib was killed in a strike near Taparghai, South Waziristan, along with five other Al Qaeda or Taliban members.

31 October 2008: 20 killed including Al-Qaeda operative Mohammad Hasan Khalil al-Hakim (alias Abu Jihad al-Masri) after 4 missiles hit Waziristan

2 November 2008: British Al-Qaeda operative Rashid Rauf and 4 others including Abu Zubair al-Masri killed in a strike in North Waziristan.

1 January 2009: 2 senior al-Qaeda leaders Usama al-Kini and Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan killed in a missile strike by U.S. drones.

21 August 2009: US drone strike in South Waziristan killed 12, including Baitullah Mehsud, his wife, and his wife's parents..

27 August 2009: US drone missile strike on the Tapar Ghai area in the Kanigram (Kanigoram) district in South Waziristan kills up to 8 people. One of the dead was confirmed by the Taliban to be Tohir Yo‘ldosh (Tahir Yuldashev), leader of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

8 September 2009: US drone fired missiles kill 10 in North Waziristan. The attack may have killed al Qaeda leaders Ilyas Kashmiri and Mustafa al Jaziri as well as three Punjabi militants and two or three local Taliban fighters.

21 October 2009: Alleged US drone missile killed two or three alleged militants in Spalaga, North Waziristan in territory controlled by Hafiz Gul Bahadur. One of those killed was reportedly Abu Ayyub al-Masri (not the same as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, the Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader), an explosives expert for.

24 October 2009: Alleged US drone strike killed 27, in Damadolla, inside Bajaur tribal agency. The dead apparently included 11 "foreigners". One of those reported killed was Faqir Mohammed's nephew, Zahid and another was Mohammed's unnamed son-in-law.

8 December 2009: 3 killed in a car near Miranshah in North Waziristan, reportedly including 2 Al Qaeda members. Senior Al qaeda planner Saleh al-Somali, from Somalia, is believed killed in this strike.

31 December 2009: Four killed in an attack in Machikhel village in North Waziristan. According to The Frontier Post, senior Taliban leader and strong Haqqani ally Haji Omar Khan, brother of Arif Khan, was killed in the strike along with the son of local tribal leader Karim Khan.

3 January 2010: 5 people including 3 Arabs killed in an attack on Mosakki village in North Waziristan.

8 January 2010: Missile strike in Tappi village in North Waziristan killed 5 people. It is alleged that all the militants killed were local and were attached to Taliban Commander Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

9 January 2010: 4 killed and three injured when 2 missiles are fired on a compound in village Ismail Khan in North Waziristan, territory of the Haqqani network. Mahmoud Mahdi Zeidan, bodyguard for al Qaeda leader Sayeed al-Masri, was reported killed in either the 8 or 9 January airstrike. Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim who was allegedly involved in hijacking of Pan Am Flight 73 in 1986 was also reported killed in this strike.

15 February 2010: Abdul Haq al-Turkistani, leader of the Turkistani Islamic Party, is killed by a drone missile strike in North Waziristan.

8 February 2010: 4 killed in a strike in Northwest Waziristan including Mohammed Haqqani, the brother of Afghan Taliban commander Siraj who leads the Haqqani network.

24 February 2010: Missiles fired by a US drone killed at least 13 militants at a compound and at a vehicle in the Dargah Mandi area of North Waziristan. Among the dead include Bahadar Mansoor, head of Badar Mansoor group, and Rana Afzal, the man behind the FIA HQ bombing in Lahore. Mohammed Qari Zafar, the head of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the person responsible for the 2002 and
2006 bombing of the U.S. consulate in Karachi was killed in this drone strike.

8 March 2010: Three missiles fired by US drone aircraft killed five militants and wounded three in Miranshah. Hussein al-Yemeni (also called Sadam Hussein Al Hussami), an Al Qaeda terrorist who planned the Camp Chapman attack, died in this strike.

16 March 2010: Eight to ten militants were killed in a US drone strike in North Waziristan's Datakhel area. The militants were reportedly al Qaeda fighters, mainly Afghan, but included two officials from Syria and Egypt.

11 May 2010: At least 24 militants are killed in two separate US drone strikes in which the US fired up to 18 missiles. The first strike occurred when missiles struck cars, homes and tents in the Doga area of North Waziristan killing up to 14 militants. Hours later another pair of missiles hit a compound in the Gorwek area of North Waziristan killing another 10 suspected insurgents, including the brother of a reputed Taliban commander, Maulvi Kalam.

21 May 2010: US drones fired two missiles on a compound used by Afghan warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur and killed 10 people in Mohammad Khel, North Waziristan. Saeed al-Masri, the current 3rd in command of Al-Qaeda was killed in this strike along with his wife and 3 children. Other dead in this strike include two foreign militants, one of whom was reportedly Filipino.

9 June 2010: US drone fired a missile striking a house in Haider Khel village near North Waziristan's Mir Ali town killing 16 militants. Al Qaeda leader Abu Ahmed Tarkash was among the dead.

29 June 2010: US drone fired two missiles hitting a house near in Wana, South Waziristan killing at least 8 militants, including Hamza al-Jufi an Egyptian member of Al Qaeda.

3 September 2010: 2 separate drone strikes kill 12–15 suspected militants in North Waziristan. The first strike was near Miramshah, killing six militants. The second strike was near Data Khel, targeting the home of Gul Adam, and killed nine militants. SAMAA TV reported that a local Taliban commander named Inayatullah was reportedly killed in the strike.

5 September 2010: In a drone strike kills 4 militants in North Waziristan, including Saifullah Haqqani, first cousin of Haqqani Network leaderSirajuddin Haqqani.

21 September 2010: A US drone strike kills 16 militants in the South-North Waziristan border region, including Taliban commander Mullah Shamsullah.

4 October 2010: US drones strike a building near Mir Ali, North Waziristan, reportedly killing 8 suspected militants including 20 year-old German citizen Bünyamin E. and three other German nationals

17 December 2010: According to unnamed official sources 39 of the killed belonged to Lashkar-e-Islam while 15 were Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan. Extremist commander Ibn Amin was also killed in these strikes. He was a Taliban commander for the Swat valley.

21 February 2011: One of those killed was reported by Pakistani officials to be an Iraqi Al-qaeda finance coordinator named Abu Zaid al-Iraqi.

5 July 2011: Four killed and 5 injured in a strike on a militant hideout near Mir Ali in North Waziristan. According to two local TV station in Pakistan based on unnamed official sources, Saif Ullah, an Australian and al Qaeda supporter, was killed in the strike.

3 June 2011: Drone strike in Ghwakhwa area of South Waziristan kills 9 militants. Top ranking Al-qaeda militant Ilyas Kashmiri is reported killed.

22 August 2011: According to unnamed Pakistani officials a suspected U.S. drone strike in North Waziristan killed 4 suspected militants including Al-Qaeda's second in commandAtiyah Abd al-Rahman.

1 September 2011: Abu Hafs al Shari, Al-Qaeda's operational chief and the replacement for Atiyah Abdel Rahman, was killed along with 3 other militants by a US drone strike on a vehicle and compound in Hisokhel in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan.

13 October 2011: Two separate drone strikes killed a total of seven suspected militants in Waziristan. The first strike in Dande Darpa Khel village in North Waziristan killed four includingJan Baz Zadran, a logistics commander for the Haqqani network. The widow of Abu Miqdad al Masri, a member of al-Qaida's Shura Majlis, or executive council, later stated that he, along with their two sons Al Miqdad Rafie Mustafa and Khalid Rafie Mustafa, were killed in a drone strike on or around this date

26 October 2011: A US drone strike in South Waziristan killed 13–22 militants, including Taj Gul Mehsud, a close aid to the TTP.

27 October 2011: A US drone strike targeted Maulvi Nazir's faction of the Taliban in the Warsak area of South Waziristan. Four, including Nazir's younger brother, were killed.

10 January 2012: US drone strike near Miran Shah killed four militants including three Arabs according to Pakistani intelligence officials. An US official who spoke on the condition of anonymity told Reuters they believe the attack have killed Aslam Awan, also known as Abdullah Khorasani, who has been described as a senior operations organiser for al Qaeda.

11 January 2012: Hakimullah Mehsud may have been killed in this drone strike. The Taliban denied that later reports indicated that Aslam Awan, a deputy to the leader of al Qaeda's external operations network, was killed in the strike. that Awan was killed.

8 February 2012: The drone fired a pair of missiles at a compound in Miranshah, killing Badr Mansoor, who was the al-Qaeda chief for Pakistan along with his wife and 2 children. Al Qaeda later confirmed Mansoor's death.

13 March 2012: Two separate drone attacks occurred in the Waziristan region. The first, in the Drey Nishtar area of South Waziristan along the Afghan border, targeted a vehicle and killed 8 suspected militants, including local commanders Amir Hamza, Shamsullah and Qari Haleemullah. The second attack happened in the Sara Khawra/Shawal area straddling the border between North and South Waziristan. 7 suspected militants in a vehicle died in that attack.

29 April 2012: US drones fired missiles at an abandoned girls school in Miranshah, North Waziristan killing 4 suspected militants and wounding 3 others. It may be that Abu Usman Adil, emir of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, was killed in this strike as the group announced in August that he had died in an April drone strike.

4 June 2012: Sixteen people were killed and two injured when US drones attacked a house and a vehicle suspected of carrying militants in Mir Ali in North Waziristan. Unnamed US and Pakistani officials stated that Al-Qaeda second in command Abu Yahya al-Libi was killed in the strike. Abu Yahya al-Libi was the sole casualty of the strike however Pakistani officials said 16 people were killed in the strike.

24 August 2012: US drones fired at least six missiles into a mud-walled compounds and at least two vehicles killing 18 people. An intelligence officials said on condition of anonymity that the leader of the East Turkistan Movement, Emeti Yakuf, also known by his local name as Abdul Jabbar, two Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) commanders and three other militant commanders were among the dead.

24 September 2012: Drone-fired missiles kill five or six suspected "foreign" militants in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan. Two of those killed were reportedly Abu Kasha al Iraqi and Fateh al Turki. Abu Kasha reportedly acted as a liaison between al Qaeda's Shura Majlis (executive council) and the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan and the Uzbek Islamic Jihad Group. al Turki was a previously unidentified, mid-level, al Qaeda leader. Taliban sources confirmed their deaths.

2 January 2013: A drone strike killed 10 militants, including Mullah Nazir, in South Waziristan near the Afghan border.

5 September 2013: A drone strike on a house in the Ghulam Khan district of North Waziristan killed Mullah Sangeen Zadran, deputy to Sirajuddin Haqqani of the Haqqani Network, and Zubir al Muzi, an al Qaeda explosives expert from Egypt, as well as three others.

Many more militants have been reported as killed but the above are confirmed deaths. The very fact that Taliban leadership has insisted that drone attacks should stop before they would agree to the ‘Talks’ is because Taliban & Alquada affiliated gropus have lost many prominent activists is drone attacks.

I repeat that I do not support Drone strikes, but I can understand why some in the Pak Army may supported these.

 

[Side-Winder]

Sir,

From the start I would like to make it clear that I do not support drone attacks. It is a clear breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty and also kills many innocents as ‘collateral damage’ along with the terrorists.

However I strong contest the comments 'yap yap yap' quoted above as this contradicts the facts.

Pakistani flag cannot and does not fly over North Waziristan. GOP writ and laws don’t apply to North Waziristan area. Pakistan army cannot enter; if it did it will meet armed resistance. For all practical purposes this is an independent area under the Taliban control.

It is possible that Pak Army may have agreed to drone attacks, because drone do target Taliban & Alqaida leaders. Innocents get killed because of poor intelligence.

Here is the list of the terrorist leaders killed in drone attacks since 2005.

14 May 2005: 2 killed including Al-Qaida leader Haitham al-Yemeni in a strike

5 November 2005: a strike destroys the house of AL Qaeda leader Abu Hamza Rabia killing his wife, three children and four others.

16 January 2007: Up to 30 Taliban killed in a drone strike in Salamat Keley, Zamazola, South Waziristan.

29 January 2008: Al-Qaeda's Abu Laith al-Libi killed in a strike in North Waziristan al

14 May 2008: 12–15 including Abu Sulayman Al-Jazairi killed near village of Damadola,

28 July 2008: Midhat Mursi and 5 other people killed in South Waziristan.

7 September 2008: US drone attack in Baghar Cheena region of South Waziristan kills 5 militants including Al Qaeda operative Abu Ubaydah al Tunisi. carrying Canadian passports.

6 October 2008: Senior Al-Qaeda leader Khalid Habib was killed in a strike near Taparghai, South Waziristan, along with five other Al Qaeda or Taliban members.

31 October 2008: 20 killed including Al-Qaeda operative Mohammad Hasan Khalil al-Hakim (alias Abu Jihad al-Masri) after 4 missiles hit Waziristan

2 November 2008: British Al-Qaeda operative Rashid Rauf and 4 others including Abu Zubair al-Masri killed in a strike in North Waziristan.

1 January 2009: 2 senior al-Qaeda leaders Usama al-Kini and Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan killed in a missile strike by U.S. drones.

21 August 2009: US drone strike in South Waziristan killed 12, including Baitullah Mehsud, his wife, and his wife's parents..

27 August 2009: US drone missile strike on the Tapar Ghai area in the Kanigram (Kanigoram) district in South Waziristan kills up to 8 people. One of the dead was confirmed by the Taliban to be Tohir Yo‘ldosh (Tahir Yuldashev), leader of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

8 September 2009: US drone fired missiles kill 10 in North Waziristan. The attack may have killed al Qaeda leaders Ilyas Kashmiri and Mustafa al Jaziri as well as three Punjabi militants and two or three local Taliban fighters.

21 October 2009: Alleged US drone missile killed two or three alleged militants in Spalaga, North Waziristan in territory controlled by Hafiz Gul Bahadur. One of those killed was reportedly Abu Ayyub al-Masri (not the same as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, the Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader), an explosives expert for.

24 October 2009: Alleged US drone strike killed 27, in Damadolla, inside Bajaur tribal agency. The dead apparently included 11 "foreigners". One of those reported killed was Faqir Mohammed's nephew, Zahid and another was Mohammed's unnamed son-in-law.

8 December 2009: 3 killed in a car near Miranshah in North Waziristan, reportedly including 2 Al Qaeda members. Senior Al qaeda planner Saleh al-Somali, from Somalia, is believed killed in this strike.

31 December 2009: Four killed in an attack in Machikhel village in North Waziristan. According to The Frontier Post, senior Taliban leader and strong Haqqani ally Haji Omar Khan, brother of Arif Khan, was killed in the strike along with the son of local tribal leader Karim Khan.

3 January 2010: 5 people including 3 Arabs killed in an attack on Mosakki village in North Waziristan.

8 January 2010: Missile strike in Tappi village in North Waziristan killed 5 people. It is alleged that all the militants killed were local and were attached to Taliban Commander Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

9 January 2010: 4 killed and three injured when 2 missiles are fired on a compound in village Ismail Khan in North Waziristan, territory of the Haqqani network. Mahmoud Mahdi Zeidan, bodyguard for al Qaeda leader Sayeed al-Masri, was reported killed in either the 8 or 9 January airstrike. Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim who was allegedly involved in hijacking of Pan Am Flight 73 in 1986 was also reported killed in this strike.

15 February 2010: Abdul Haq al-Turkistani, leader of the Turkistani Islamic Party, is killed by a drone missile strike in North Waziristan.

8 February 2010: 4 killed in a strike in Northwest Waziristan including Mohammed Haqqani, the brother of Afghan Taliban commander Siraj who leads the Haqqani network.

24 February 2010: Missiles fired by a US drone killed at least 13 militants at a compound and at a vehicle in the Dargah Mandi area of North Waziristan. Among the dead include Bahadar Mansoor, head of Badar Mansoor group, and Rana Afzal, the man behind the FIA HQ bombing in Lahore. Mohammed Qari Zafar, the head of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the person responsible for the 2002 and
2006 bombing of the U.S. consulate in Karachi was killed in this drone strike.

8 March 2010: Three missiles fired by US drone aircraft killed five militants and wounded three in Miranshah. Hussein al-Yemeni (also called Sadam Hussein Al Hussami), an Al Qaeda terrorist who planned the Camp Chapman attack, died in this strike.

16 March 2010: Eight to ten militants were killed in a US drone strike in North Waziristan's Datakhel area. The militants were reportedly al Qaeda fighters, mainly Afghan, but included two officials from Syria and Egypt.

11 May 2010: At least 24 militants are killed in two separate US drone strikes in which the US fired up to 18 missiles. The first strike occurred when missiles struck cars, homes and tents in the Doga area of North Waziristan killing up to 14 militants. Hours later another pair of missiles hit a compound in the Gorwek area of North Waziristan killing another 10 suspected insurgents, including the brother of a reputed Taliban commander, Maulvi Kalam.

21 May 2010: US drones fired two missiles on a compound used by Afghan warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur and killed 10 people in Mohammad Khel, North Waziristan. Saeed al-Masri, the current 3rd in command of Al-Qaeda was killed in this strike along with his wife and 3 children. Other dead in this strike include two foreign militants, one of whom was reportedly Filipino.

9 June 2010: US drone fired a missile striking a house in Haider Khel village near North Waziristan's Mir Ali town killing 16 militants. Al Qaeda leader Abu Ahmed Tarkash was among the dead.

29 June 2010: US drone fired two missiles hitting a house near in Wana, South Waziristan killing at least 8 militants, including Hamza al-Jufi an Egyptian member of Al Qaeda.

3 September 2010: 2 separate drone strikes kill 12–15 suspected militants in North Waziristan. The first strike was near Miramshah, killing six militants. The second strike was near Data Khel, targeting the home of Gul Adam, and killed nine militants. SAMAA TV reported that a local Taliban commander named Inayatullah was reportedly killed in the strike.

5 September 2010: In a drone strike kills 4 militants in North Waziristan, including Saifullah Haqqani, first cousin of Haqqani Network leaderSirajuddin Haqqani.

21 September 2010: A US drone strike kills 16 militants in the South-North Waziristan border region, including Taliban commander Mullah Shamsullah.

4 October 2010: US drones strike a building near Mir Ali, North Waziristan, reportedly killing 8 suspected militants including 20 year-old German citizen Bünyamin E. and three other German nationals

17 December 2010: According to unnamed official sources 39 of the killed belonged to Lashkar-e-Islam while 15 were Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan. Extremist commander Ibn Amin was also killed in these strikes. He was a Taliban commander for the Swat valley.

21 February 2011: One of those killed was reported by Pakistani officials to be an Iraqi Al-qaeda finance coordinator named Abu Zaid al-Iraqi.

5 July 2011: Four killed and 5 injured in a strike on a militant hideout near Mir Ali in North Waziristan. According to two local TV station in Pakistan based on unnamed official sources, Saif Ullah, an Australian and al Qaeda supporter, was killed in the strike.

3 June 2011: Drone strike in Ghwakhwa area of South Waziristan kills 9 militants. Top ranking Al-qaeda militant Ilyas Kashmiri is reported killed.

22 August 2011: According to unnamed Pakistani officials a suspected U.S. drone strike in North Waziristan killed 4 suspected militants including Al-Qaeda's second in commandAtiyah Abd al-Rahman.

1 September 2011: Abu Hafs al Shari, Al-Qaeda's operational chief and the replacement for Atiyah Abdel Rahman, was killed along with 3 other militants by a US drone strike on a vehicle and compound in Hisokhel in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan.

13 October 2011: Two separate drone strikes killed a total of seven suspected militants in Waziristan. The first strike in Dande Darpa Khel village in North Waziristan killed four includingJan Baz Zadran, a logistics commander for the Haqqani network. The widow of Abu Miqdad al Masri, a member of al-Qaida's Shura Majlis, or executive council, later stated that he, along with their two sons Al Miqdad Rafie Mustafa and Khalid Rafie Mustafa, were killed in a drone strike on or around this date

26 October 2011: A US drone strike in South Waziristan killed 13–22 militants, including Taj Gul Mehsud, a close aid to the TTP.

27 October 2011: A US drone strike targeted Maulvi Nazir's faction of the Taliban in the Warsak area of South Waziristan. Four, including Nazir's younger brother, were killed.

10 January 2012: US drone strike near Miran Shah killed four militants including three Arabs according to Pakistani intelligence officials. An US official who spoke on the condition of anonymity told Reuters they believe the attack have killed Aslam Awan, also known as Abdullah Khorasani, who has been described as a senior operations organiser for al Qaeda.

11 January 2012: Hakimullah Mehsud may have been killed in this drone strike. The Taliban denied that later reports indicated that Aslam Awan, a deputy to the leader of al Qaeda's external operations network, was killed in the strike. that Awan was killed.

8 February 2012: The drone fired a pair of missiles at a compound in Miranshah, killing Badr Mansoor, who was the al-Qaeda chief for Pakistan along with his wife and 2 children. Al Qaeda later confirmed Mansoor's death.

13 March 2012: Two separate drone attacks occurred in the Waziristan region. The first, in the Drey Nishtar area of South Waziristan along the Afghan border, targeted a vehicle and killed 8 suspected militants, including local commanders Amir Hamza, Shamsullah and Qari Haleemullah. The second attack happened in the Sara Khawra/Shawal area straddling the border between North and South Waziristan. 7 suspected militants in a vehicle died in that attack.

29 April 2012: US drones fired missiles at an abandoned girls school in Miranshah, North Waziristan killing 4 suspected militants and wounding 3 others. It may be that Abu Usman Adil, emir of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, was killed in this strike as the group announced in August that he had died in an April drone strike.

4 June 2012: Sixteen people were killed and two injured when US drones attacked a house and a vehicle suspected of carrying militants in Mir Ali in North Waziristan. Unnamed US and Pakistani officials stated that Al-Qaeda second in command Abu Yahya al-Libi was killed in the strike. Abu Yahya al-Libi was the sole casualty of the strike however Pakistani officials said 16 people were killed in the strike.

24 August 2012: US drones fired at least six missiles into a mud-walled compounds and at least two vehicles killing 18 people. An intelligence officials said on condition of anonymity that the leader of the East Turkistan Movement, Emeti Yakuf, also known by his local name as Abdul Jabbar, two Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) commanders and three other militant commanders were among the dead.

24 September 2012: Drone-fired missiles kill five or six suspected "foreign" militants in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan. Two of those killed were reportedly Abu Kasha al Iraqi and Fateh al Turki. Abu Kasha reportedly acted as a liaison between al Qaeda's Shura Majlis (executive council) and the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan and the Uzbek Islamic Jihad Group. al Turki was a previously unidentified, mid-level, al Qaeda leader. Taliban sources confirmed their deaths.

2 January 2013: A drone strike killed 10 militants, including Mullah Nazir, in South Waziristan near the Afghan border.

5 September 2013: A drone strike on a house in the Ghulam Khan district of North Waziristan killed Mullah Sangeen Zadran, deputy to Sirajuddin Haqqani of the Haqqani Network, and Zubir al Muzi, an al Qaeda explosives expert from Egypt, as well as three others.

Many more militants have been reported as killed but the above are confirmed deaths. The very fact that Taliban leadership has insisted that drone attacks should stop before they would agree to the ‘Talks’ is because Taliban & Alquada affiliated gropus have lost many prominent activists is drone attacks.

I repeat that I do not support Drone strikes, but I can understand why some in the Pak Army may supported these.

what's the credibility that the ones dying in the list of strikes (above) are 'militants'?
these casaulties are reported by the Press... right? and let me tell you there are countless cases where the ones dying are 'unconfirmed militants' or 'suspected militants' and infact most of the times they are 'unconfirmed militants',

i can put up here sources and english sources that expose the fact that 98% people dying are most of times civilians,
here is a list leaked to Bureau of investigative journalism posted on this very forum by aeronaut

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-against-drones/266390-americas-illegal-drone-war-leaked-list-pakistani-casualties.html

here is a documentary speaking for itself

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-against-drones/276943-documentary-about-drone-strikes-pakistan.html


the argument that ANYHOW there are militants among the victims doesn't stand...why don't we simply let the americans get in and launch the military operation on their own? that time mr.kayani yells that within pakistani terriority only pak army has right to launch operation and foreign intervention is not allowed whatsoever,

more hypocrisy,a few days ago we raised the issue in general assembly and on the other hand we are the ones allowing it!
fine there could be many terrorists dying but isn't that a slap on our face when lots of people among the victims are beleagured innocents,allowed by our military to be killed that mercilessy by foreigners?

Many more militants have been reported as killed but the above are confirmed deaths. The very fact that Taliban leadership has insisted that drone attacks should stop before they would agree to the ‘Talks’ is because Taliban & Alquada affiliated gropus have lost many prominent activists is drone attacks.

I repeat that I do not support Drone strikes, but I can understand why some in the Pak Army may supported these.

ok let's find out what drones do...what they do is 'kill one innocent and let the talibans play on this innocent casaulty caused by americans (whom they perceive as terrorists) and SUPPORTED by pak military, so that basically connects pak army to these strikes...this is what they feed to other 10 innocent minds to create 10 more suicide bombers!!!

NOW,let's come to what my point is..
I know, NO patriotic pakistani can approve the drone strikes and you are just one among them i hope but what im trying to explain to you is that these drones are actually doing more damage to us than relieving us of the hierarchy of the talibans because first off,the ratio of civilian casaulties is much higher then these casaulties cause others to become terrorists as a result of brain washing!

plus,i really hate the dual face of our govt and army...if we are the ones allowing why do we yap about sovereignity?

now again i ask, can any other military allow others to bomb it's citizens (especially when casualty rate is much higher) like that? and then yap about sovereignity to show something else to the nation?

 

[tarrar]

Did you even read the article? It says that it was Pakistani military and intelligence that gave the go ahead for the Drone strikes and not the politicians.

If you don't know anything then STFU.

 

[sms]

“Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report.
SAJJAD HAIDER
Published
2013-10-19 18:36:59

A recently released UN report suggests there is “strong evidence” that top Pakistani military and intelligence officials approved US drone strikes on Pakistani soil during 2004 and 2008.

The study says in some cases, even “senior government figures” gave their approval to the strikes in the country’s militancy-hit tribal areas.

?Strong evidence? Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report - DAWN.COM

Real #shame for us,
can any military allow others to bomb it's people like this?

P.S no need argue drones kill terrorists and yap yap yap...

Sir,

From the start I would like to make it clear that I do not support drone attacks. It is a clear breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty and also kills many innocents as ‘collateral damage’ along with the terrorists.

However I strong contest the comments 'yap yap yap' quoted above as this contradicts the facts.

Pakistani flag cannot and does not fly over North Waziristan. GOP writ and laws don’t apply to North Waziristan area. Pakistan army cannot enter; if it did it will meet armed resistance. For all practical purposes this is an independent area under the Taliban control.

It is possible that Pak Army may have agreed to drone attacks, because drone do target Taliban & Alqaida leaders. Innocents get killed because of poor intelligence.

what's the credibility that the ones dying in the list of strikes (above) are 'militants'?
these casaulties are reported by the Press... right? and let me tell you there are countless cases where the ones dying are 'unconfirmed militants' or 'suspected militants' and infact most of the times they are 'unconfirmed militants',

i can put up here sources and english sources that expose the fact that 98% people dying are most of times civilians,
here is a list leaked to Bureau of investigative journalism posted on this very forum by aeronaut

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-against-drones/266390-americas-illegal-drone-war-leaked-list-pakistani-casualties.html

here is a documentary speaking for itself

http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-against-drones/276943-documentary-about-drone-strikes-pakistan.html

now again i ask, can any other military allow others to bomb it's citizens (especially when casualty rate is much higher) like that? and then yap about sovereignity to show something else to the nation?

Sir,
It's evident that despite the technologically backward force (compared to USA) Pakistan has credible armed forces capable of detecting and neutralizing a small scale aerial (Drone) attack.

So if attacks are happening in Pakistan, it concludes that there is an endorsement form political or Military or both entities.

Agreeing to this could be due to many factors including military aids, helping PA to kill adversaries blaming other countries or numerous back door deals ...

Lot of things happening in front and behind curtains .. but it will be fallacy to say that the attacks are happening without approval form Pakistani defense apparatus/ agencies.

 

[HariPrasad]

What is new in that. Since Pakistan air force is not retaliating drone strike, that in itself implies that US have the permission to strike.