Strength of alliance between India-Isreal

[Vinod2070]

No, it is not.

The situation of Indian Muslims is relevant because India claims to be a democracy and it is important to debate whether Indian Muslims have an opportunity to voice their opinion against Israel, or will they be stigmatized as unpatriotic outsiders with external loyalties.

It is nothing but your compulsive need to justify the TNT. Nothing else!

Relations with foreign countries are based on national interests. And those interests are shared by all people of the nation, no point in bringing religion into it.

Are you saying that Islam enjoins you to hate Israel? Some other time you claim it has nothing to do with your being Muslim!

Why did Musharraf want a relationship with Israel? And so many other Pakistanis?

That's like saying it was OK to supply military equipment to the Nazis as long as you also donated to Jewish charitiies.

It's one or the other. You cannot play both sides.

That is a warped and lose lose mentality. You can help both sides by having good relations with both.

What did Pakistan accomplish by not having relations with Israel? What did we accomplish when we shunned Israel for more than 4 decades?

We are not against the existence of Israel, not even Palestinians and several other Arab and Islamic countries are?

Why are you trying to be more loyal than the king?

The only hatred involved is for those religious bigots who feel their religion entities them to commit ethnic cleansing and even genocide because they are God's Chosen People and their rights supercede those of lesser human beings.

Absolutely. And also to those who think a even small sliver of land can't be had by the kaffirs in an Islamic land.

If the Arabs really wanted, no Palestinian has to live in misery. Israel is a tiny sliver in a sea of Arab desert. Even the Arab governments treat the Palestinians as dirt and trophies to collect brownie points.

So, a hostage taker with a bomb strapped to him should get whatever he wants?

They have legitimate security interests and they have not used those weapons for decades. That shows something.

 

[Whiplash]

You know, I don't mean to offend the victims of 26/11, but Indo-Israeli cooperation has boomed after the Nariman House massacre. 26/11 led to india being flooded with Israeli tech. Right from Tavor rifles to SPYDER sams.

 

[Vinod2070]

Charity does get you bread which worth more than empty slogan.

India's military co-op with Israels pales in comparison to Turkey and USA and comparable to that of China's - three most trusted allies of Pakistan.

Again you are bothering them with facts!

 

[LaBong]

The situation of Indian Muslims is relevant because India claims to be a democracy and it is important to debate whether Indian Muslims have an opportunity to voice their opinion against Israel, or will they be stigmatized as unpatriotic outsiders with external loyalties.

Yes they have the right to express their opinion in a democracy, but they are not the sole player in democratic India.

Interest of India comes first for absolute majority of Indians and since 1990 having a good relationship with Israel has become a necessity for national interest and internal/external security.

 

[Andross]

You know, I don't mean to offend the victims of 26/11, but Indo-Israeli cooperation has boomed after the Nariman House massacre. 26/11 led to india being flooded with Israeli tech. Right from Tavor rifles to SPYDER sams.

Spyder was agreed b4 26.11

 

[LaBong]

You know, I don't mean to offend the victims of 26/11, but Indo-Israeli cooperation has boomed after the Nariman House massacre. 26/11 led to india being flooded with Israeli tech. Right from Tavor rifles to SPYDER sams.

Actually India recognized Israel when Arabs deserted India at the aftermath of first wave of Kashmir insurgency. Arabs know this and actively trying to mend the relationship. Although I don't think Arab rulers give two hoots about Palestinians.

 

[Whiplash]

Spyder was agreed b4 26.11

Got approved in 2009 my friend

 

[justanobserver]

You know, I don't mean to offend the victims of 26/11, but Indo-Israeli cooperation has boomed after the Nariman House massacre. 26/11 led to india being flooded with Israeli tech. Right from Tavor rifles to SPYDER sams.

*facepalm*

Both were before 26/11.

 

[Whiplash]

*facepalm*

Both were before 26/11.

For the love of god that wasnt my point! And the recent tavors for the spec forces were not agreed on before 2008. Spyder was approved in 2009. And thats not my point. How much more about israeil cooperation are you hearing about in the last 2 years?

 

[justanobserver]

For the love of god that wasnt my point! And the recent tavors for the spec forces were not agreed on before 2008. Spyder was approved in 2009. And thats not my point. How much more about israeil cooperation are you hearing about in the last 2 years?

Countries don't act on emotions. We've been buying Tavors since 2005, we're not getting it for free

 

[Andross]

Yes it had been enhanced but so has our ties with Germany remember NSG are being trained by German special forces and so was our couter-terror ties with USA enhanced in fact the whole world came to our support after 26/11 one must remember many non-indians died too.


How Germany will train India's National Security Guard

 

[Vinod2070]

The co-operation and relations with Israel have nothing to do with Palestine, nothing to do with Indian Muslims and nothing to do with Islam.

These are relations between two sovereign countries acting in self interest. Not open to question by the people who hate both countries passionately.

 

[Developereo]

Charity does get you bread which worth more than empty slogan.

India's military co-op with Israels pales in comparison to Turkey and USA and comparable to that of China's - three most trusted allies of Pakistan.

The issue is not what you do for the Palestinians, but what you do for Israel. Pakistan and Turkey do not help Israel militarily.

It is nothing but your compulsive need to justify the TNT. Nothing else!

If you cannot address the issue, just say so, and we can move on.

Relations with foreign countries are based on national interests. And those interests are shared by all people of the nation, no point in bringing religion into it.

Once again, it is countries that are secular, not people. In the US, there are Jews and Christians who lobby their government on behalf of issues they care about -- religiously motivated issues.

Are you saying that Islam enjoins you to hate Israel? Some other time you claim it has nothing to do with your being Muslim!

For me it's a matter of human rights against religious bigotry. It is Israel who has turned it into a religious war, but making Jewishness central to its very existence and denying the rights of non-Jewish refugees.

Why did Musharraf want a relationship with Israel? And so many other Pakistanis?

There are people who will sell out principles for perceived material gain. They are found in every society.
Lately, I keep losing respect for Musharraf every time he lets loose with his verbal diarrhea (about other matters).

And also to those who think a even small sliver of land can't be had by the kaffirs in an Islamic land.

No, the Arabs just wanted the land they had been living on for thousands of years. Nothing religious about it. It is the Israelis who brought religion into this by claiming the land was reserved for Abraham by God Himself.

Israel is a tiny sliver in a sea of Arab desert.

Great. Since it's such a small amnount of land, maybe you can find some empty land in India and give it to relocate Israel.
Since you two get along so splendidly.

They have legitimate security interests and they have not used those weapons for decades. That shows something.

Like a bank robber who doesn't shoot his hostages...

Interest of India comes first for absolute majority of Indians and since 1990 having a good relationship with Israel has become a necessity for national interest and internal/external security.

You are saying Israel has good technology. By that logic, you should have had good relations with apartheid-era South Africa. But you didn't.

Principles matter.

 

[Andross]

^^
Is that why Turkey was Israel's best partner till the boat incident? or why Egypt still honours its peace treaty with Israel even now??

BTW all countries lobby thats the whole point of a lobby group!!

 

[Developereo]

The co-operation and relations with Israel have nothing to do with Palestine, nothing to do with Indian Muslims and nothing to do with Islam.

These are relations between two sovereign countries acting in self interest. Not open to question by the people who hate both countries passionately.

The debate is not about hate but principles. Humanitarian principles.

If you cannot defend the position, just say so, instead of spouting random words.

Is that why Turkey was Israel's best partner till the boat incident? or why Egypt still honours its peace treaty with Israel even now??

Turkey made it clear what its position was on Palestine; and part of sucking up to Israel was to please EU. I don't respect them for it.

Egypt's population is 95% anti-Israel. It was only the US-paid thug Mubarak who maintained peace with Israel, not the people of Egypt.