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Steady progress in building ASEAN Economic Community

SCO is a joke, merely functioning, and it is purely about energy security and counter terro, currently, only energy security is achieved, don't expect countries like Tajikistan and Kazakhstan to play any role in counter terro. SCO can't become a military alliance, and we don't need to, we are pretty invincible in land, we need to build a blue water navy.
The important function of an alliance is to gain access to strategic area we would not have had. Though at this point, there is no threat, thus no need to create military alliance. I'm talking of the potential rising danger to China with various global alliance form to target us.
 
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Bro, we dont need ur poor trained-poor discipline soldiers to fight for VN, just give us more support in the conflict with China, thats enough.
Even without anyone support. Im sure you will win the war with China right away in decisive victory. I am looking forward to that very day. You know cinema are boring these days. You want to be an actor? Sure, I love pop-corn.:pop:

You said you need our support, sure!
If China or Vietnamese need to buy rice for war inventory, just ask us, we give you a friendship price: 100 folds normal time price. We also have 155 mm artillery bullets for sale as well. The price is liitle high. You can mortgage Koh Tral island, if you don't have money.


To others: I like this delusional friend.
 
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The military alliance we were discussing is different from ASEAN. It will include some ASEAN and some non-ASEAN countries, you may want to look at these posts for reference:

I think you should make a new thread on military alliance with some ASEAN and some non-ASEAN. Please see the topic. Progress on ASEAN. ASEAN is defined as 10 members. If you talk about different grouping, please start new thread. People get confuse.
 
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Even without anyone support. Im sure you will win the war with China right away in decisive victory. I am looking forward to that very day. You know cinema are boring these days. You want to be an actor? Sure, I love pop-corn.:pop:

You said you need our support, sure!
If China or Vietnamese need to buy rice for war inventory, just ask us, we give you a friendship price: 100 folds normal time price. We also have 155 mm artillery bullets for sale as well. The price is liitle high. You can mortgage Koh Tral island, if you don't have money.


To others: I like this delusional friend.
Bro, China know they can not win VN without US daddy support like in 1979, so they change their mind and turn to bully other ASEAN nations including ur Thailand. China fighter from air base in Spratly isl also can fly over Bangkok's sky too, and who knows when China will drop some Napalm bomb to ur beauty Bangkok ??

Dont forget only VN have ballistic missile to destroy that base, so China wont attack VN, but Thailand dont have any good weapon to destroy it, so, u guys'd better to evacuate out of Bangkok as soon as possible now :laugh:
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Its interesting development! ASEAN defense establishment already in place!!!
I found a website of ASEAN defense establishment.
Last time VN friend introduce me this Thai general
VGP News | Thai General: China’s nine-dash line groundless - Thai General: China’s nine-dash line groundless
So I google the General Name and I what do I found?


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ASEAN Defence Establishments and Civil Society Organizations (CSOs) Cooperation on Non-Traditional Security

Bro, China know they can not win VN without US daddy support like in 1979, so they change their mind and turn to bully other ASEAN nations including ur Thailand. China fighter from air base in Spratly isl also can fly over Bangkok's sky too, and who knows when China will drop some Napalm bomb to ur beauty Bangkok ??

Dont forget only VN have ballistic missile to destroy that base, so China wont attack VN, but Thailand dont have any good weapon to destroy it, so, u guys'd better to evacuate out of Bangkok as soon as possible now :laugh:
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naahh.. Bangkok is the best place to get rich when war between you guys occur.
 
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First of all good luck with this type of military alliance and secondly why country of south asia is being invited into ASEAN alliance :what:

Now @Nihonjin1051 my friend as you proposed naval base for ASEAN union in Bay of Bengal then all i have to say is "Any naval action in Bay of Bengal will be looked at carefully and countered in equal and opposite reaction"
 
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naahh.. Bangkok is the best place to get rich when war between you guys occur.
U r Chinese-Thai, but seem like u dont understand how and when China will start war . If China want war with VN now, then they wont build an air base in Spratly isl coz we can destroy it easily. So, the base will be use to bully other ASEAN nations including Thailand with Bangkok is well within the fighter's range.

We can sit and watch what will happen, its time for u guys to tase China's bullies over sky :pop:
 
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U r Chinese-Thai, but seem like u dont understand how and when China will start war . If China want war with VN now, then they wont build an air base in Pratly isl coz we can destroy it easily. So, the base will be use to bully other ASEAN nations including Thailand with Bangkok is well within the fighter's range.

We can sit and watch what will happen, its time for u guys to tase China's bullies over sky :pop:

Go Go Vietnam Go Go. :dance3: Its time for war. We are going to supply your war effort with reasonable ( to me ) price.:laugh: 50 folds. We have some oil stock as well.
 
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Go Go Vietnam Go Go. :dance3: Its time for war. We are going to supply your war effort with reasonable ( to me ) price.:laugh: 50 folds. We have some oil stock as well.
No, we dont go to war now, thats why we dont shoot China oil rig, times for us to enjoy popcorn while watching China fighter flying over Bangkok's sky and drop bomb :laugh:
 
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No, we dont go to war now, thats why we dont shoot China oil rig, times for us to enjoy popcorn while watching China fighter flying over Bangkok's sky and drop bomb :laugh:
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UK would be vassal of which country? USA?
UK's vassal status re-affirmed?
Britain as a vassal state of the USA
Craig Murray » Blog Archive » America’s Vassal Acts Decisively and Illegally

History of Sino-Korean relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
" the Later Yan state sacked Pyongyang and made Goguryeo tributary to Yan and Later Qin.[3]
During the Tang dynasty in China, the Korean kingdoms of Goguryeo and Balhae were regarded as tributary states by the Chinese imperial court.
During the period of 1231–1259, the Mongols invaded Korea, ultimately resulting in the capitulation of Goryeo and becoming a vassal state of the Yuan Dynasty for over 80 years.
Following the Second Manchu invasion of Korea, the Qing claimed victory and forced Injo of Joseon into submission, severing its relations with the collapsing Ming dynasty, which eventually fell in 1644."

Its possible that a unified Korea will remain allied with China, because unlike Japan they have a land border with China. But it is also possible that they will choose the Japanese path of seeking balancing ties with the military alliance under discussion, in addition to their relationship with US/NATO to hedge their bet.

Hardware can always be recreated, just like Europe and Japan rose from ashes of WW II, the important thing in my opinion is to have a highly educated, developed and creative population in a stable and secure political structure. People and their know-how and creativity make hardware.

China's growth rate already slowed down. Every country has a growth rate curve that becomes more flat over time as the country becomes more developed. If the members of the military alliance can be managed well under Japanese leadership, then I think it is possible to achieve high growth rate and compete with China. With high economic growth will come more military capability.
So a few forum posts and blog proves what? When the UK is displaying fireworks all over enemy territories, they sure don't seem like a vessel. When they are a security council member, why would he be a vessel. UK is still a great power, as demonstrated by their military Queen victoria, and Typhoon, these projects even Japan would have trouble with, and they did.

I know Korean history very well, but unlike a Western vessel, things are changing, old rules no longer fit today. especialy if your nation is a developed one.


A US B-2 bomber replacement cost 60 billions more or less, and may end up costing 80 if past is any indication. How many nation, developed or not can afford this. China spends 36 billion and counting every year just adding new equipment to the troops, how many more can match?

China has very expensive programs in every sector at the same time, Y-20, J-20,31, missile programs, Z-20, Space programs, new APCs, Tank improvements, engines, Type 55, air craft carriers, attack and ballistic nuclear subs, more advanced AIP subs, future soldier programs, ZH-05 and many more.

How many nations can afford any one of that? Tank, maybe, APCs, maybe, future soldier, they might equip some elities, but hardly all of them.


You are not asking to recreate, you are asking them to be world leaders, you are under the assumption that these things can be done, and they can't. It's not a accident, that the 16 trillion dollar economy is doing these and more, while the 5 trillion is not.


So yea, we slowed down, but it's still far faster than almost every nation. Japan's 2013 data doesn't suggest good things, maybe better this year? Who knows, but the difference won't be huge, especially taking into account inflation, if there's growth at all. But Japan is already developed so it's not that important any ways.

But even if you do have good growth, there's still only two nation on earth that can afford to keep moving their military forward.
 
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@madokafc @somsak thanks for pointing out that the discussion about military alliance between ASEAN and non-ASEAN countries veered away from the original topic of this thread. So I will go ahead a create a separate thread for that discussion.
 
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