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Statist Strongmen Putin-Xi See History Alive in Capitalism Clash

By Brian Brenmer & David J. Lynch on 01:49 pm Aug 06, 2014

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A guard passes an oil storage tank at Rosneft’s Priobskoye oil field in western Siberia, Russia on Feb. 20, 2007. (Bloomberg Photo/Lucian Kim)

History isn’t over, after all.

Back in the summer of 1989, American political scientist Francis Fukuyama wrote an influential essay in The National Interest, arguing that the Cold War’s demise meant “the end point of mankind’s ideological evolution” had been reached with an “unabashed victory of economic and political liberalism.”

Twenty-five years later, the global divide over how to organize an economy is back. Free-market US-style capitalism, bloodied by the global financial crisis, is again being challenged by the apostles of a robust government economic role known as state capitalism. And this time, the tidy 20th century separation between rival economic blocs has been replaced with a confounding web of cross-border ties.

In China, where President Xi Jinping seeks to complete his country’s return to global prominence, the government promotes domestic technology companies by unleashing investigations of their US competitors, including Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft. In Russia, the imposition of European Union and US sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine already is claiming as collateral damage the operations of foreign businesses such as London-based BP and Siemens of Munich.

“No country is an island,” Bill Gross, chief investment officer of Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management, the world’s biggest manager of bond funds, tweeted on Aug. 1. “Global trade & growth will be affected by Russia/EU/US trade war.”

‘Illiberal state’

State capitalism isn’t confined to China and Russia. The emirates of the Persian Gulf have long fused state and bazaar, while some specialists even see countries such as Brazil and Turkey as deserving of the label.

The latest convert is Hungary, where Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on July 28 he wants to abandon liberal democracy in favor of an “illiberal state,” citing Russia and China as examples.

“They’re not looking at the US as a role model anymore,” says Aldo Musacchio, a professor at Harvard Business School in Boston and author of “Reinventing State Capitalism.” “Everyone is looking at China.”

Putin and Xi are the world’s best-known advocates of state capitalism. It’s a term that experts sometimes disagree about yet generally it refers to authoritarian governments that exercise substantial influence over their economies.

Today’s state capitalism bears little resemblance to the Soviet era, when armies of bureaucrats set unforgiving targets for factories with no regard for market reality. Instead, state capitalists track global interest rates and equity indices, sniffing out profits with a zeal that would be familiar in the corridors of Goldman Sachs Group in New York.

State connections

In China, while the Communist Party maintains a monopoly on political power, it has long since abandoned Marxist ideology in favor of a vigorous commercial faith. Russia, too, has lost its communists; their heirs are politically connected oligarchs who move freely between a nominally democratic public sphere and the world of commerce.

President Vladimir Putin holds sway over “a business community whose wealth and power are based entirely on their connections to the state,” said Jeffry Frieden, a professor of government at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and author of “Global Capitalism: Its Fall and Rise in the Twentieth Century.”

These economic systems use market forces to discipline state-owned firms without surrendering control of their nation’s fate to global investors or foreign corporate rivals.

‘National champions’

The “national champions” that result — such as Rosneft in Moscow and the Industrial & Commercial Bank of China in Beijing — aren’t the lumbering government entities of the past. They boast the trappings of private enterprise: modern professional management, boards of directors, outside auditors and institutional investors. That keeps them somewhat accountable — and often quite profitable: ICBC made almost $43 billion in profits last year.

“You have to run your crown jewels in a somewhat efficient way, to provide you with fiscal resources and dividends,” said.

Still, US companies overall dominate global profitability tables. Six of the top 10 companies measured by return on assets are American; just one is Chinese and none hail from Russia.

Policy lever

In Russia, the world’s biggest energy exporter, Putin has long viewed the nation’s natural resources as a foreign policy lever. He twice shut the taps on Russia’s gas pipelines to Ukraine, most recently in 2009, and partially renationalized the oil industry, sometimes at the expense of Western companies such as Royal Dutch Shell of The Hague and BP.

China has more than 100,000 state-owned enterprises, holding assets valued at roughly $13 trillion, according to a January study by the Chicago-based Paulson Institute. On top of the anti-monopoly investigation of Microsoft and San Diego-based Qualcomm, Google and Apple have been criticized by state media for allegedly cooperating with a US spying program.

The Obama administration has viewed Russian and Chinese economic policies as a danger to US national interests, an alarm that was sounded by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last month.

“We have to begin to take on state capitalism because it’s one of our biggest competitive threats,” Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner in the 2016 presidential race, told a Council on Foreign Relations conference.

‘Competitive neutrality’

President Barack Obama took office in 2009 at a time when free-market capitalism, sullied by the 2008 global financial crisis and the worst economic downturn since the 1930s, had been challenged by an increasingly popular state-centric alternative.

The State Department started targeting what it considered anti-competitive behavior by state-owned firms in response to a parade of US companies complaining that they were being harmed by state-backed rivals — and not just in China.

State-owned companies were “an increasingly important threat to American industry,” said Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Kissinger Associates in New York and a former undersecretary of State for economic growth, energy and the environment.

The goal wasn’t to encourage privatization but “competitive neutrality,” meaning that whatever support government-owned firms enjoyed shouldn’t distort trade or provide an unfair advantage, Hormats said.

Losing ground

Though the problem hasn’t gone away, market-oriented capitalism has regained some lost ground. Five years ago, 55 Chinese companies made the list of the world’s 500 largest enterprises, as measured by market capitalization. Today, only 35 Chinese names qualify while the US, which held 159 places in 2009, has rebounded to 205 spots, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Eight of the 10 largest companies in the world measured by market capitalization are American, including Apple of Cupertino, California, Exxon Mobil of Irving, Texas, and Google of Mountain View, California.

The popularity of Russian and Chinese-style strongman capitalism does have its limits. Russia for decades has been a petro state, with oil and gas accounting for 70 percent of exports, half of government tax revenue and about 17 percent of the gross domestic product in 2012, according to the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development in London.

Contraction expected

That dependence on energy for economic growth served Russia well during the commodity super-cycle that ran from 2000 to 2008, when the country experienced 7 percent average annual economic growth and an expansion in the middle class.

Yet Russia’s economy was decelerating even before the US and EU imposed economic sanctions over the troubles in Ukraine. BNP Paribas of Paris expects the country’s economy to contract 2 percent in 2014 and 3 percent the following year.

“Russia doesn’t make anything,” Obama told the Economist magazine in a recent interview. “I think history is on our side.”

China has challenges of its own, starting with its sprawling state-owned enterprises. Promised reforms by Xi’s government would “level the playing field between private and public sectors,” according to the latest review of the economy by the International Monetary Fund in Washington.

Global competition

Xi plans to open additional industries, especially services such as health, finance and logistics, to global competition as part of the most sweeping economic changes in a generation. China’s hopes of developing home-grown products with global appeal, however, are threatened by tight restrictions on the flow of information that innovation requires. Of the 50 largest global technology companies by market capitalization, only two are Chinese, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The state sector’s financial performance also has deteriorated since its 2007 peak. From a high of 9 percent that year, the profit margin fell to 5.6 percent in 2012, the most recent Ministry of Finance data available show. The sector’s return-on-assets has shrunk over the same period, according to the Paulson Institute.

Complicating China’s economic to-do list is the political challenge. The country of 1.4 billion people is attempting to do something no authoritarian state has managed: join the ranks of the world’s most developed economies while maintaining an iron grip on political power.

Along the way, China’s leaders will still need foreign investment and joint ventures to improve the quality of the home team. Global competition will “enable China to do better in terms of economic development,” said Joseph Cheng, a political science professor at the City University of Hong Kong.

China and Russia both view themselves as great powers that have been temporarily sidetracked by the US, Europe and Japan. And they have no reservations about charting their own path. The current era of geopolitics is a far different world than Fukuyama once envisioned.

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I think even Germany has practicing some limited state control over their economy, with the recent blocks of BAE and Airbus merger deal
 
Free-market US-style capitalism, bloodied by the global financial crisis, is again being challenged by the apostles of a robust government economic role known as state capitalism. And this time, the tidy 20th century separation between rival economic blocs has been replaced with a confounding web of cross-border ties.

President Barack Obama took office in 2009 at a time when free-market capitalism, sullied by the 2008 global financial crisis and the worst economic downturn since the 1930s, had been challenged by an increasingly popular state-centric alternative.

Look like the debate of free market economy and state capitalism still fighting. I think it depends on the business cycle. When 1929 the great depression occured, government intervention controled the economy, then Keynesian economics dominated, at that time, Hayek who proposed free market economy and system build, was not recoginzed. But then in 1970s, the UK implemented privization in public sector, and in 1974, Hayek, won the nobel prize, and Keynes was thrown away. This is interesting, history alternated. When government control is too strict, people want freedom; when freedom is abused, people want control.


For Keynes

According to Keynesian economics, state intervention was necessary to moderate "boom and bust" cycles of economic activity. He advocated the use of fiscal and monetary measures to mitigate the adverse effects of economic recessionsand depressions.

Keynes's influence waned in the 1970s, partly as a result of problems that began to afflict the Anglo-American economies from the start of the decade, and partly because of critiques from Milton Friedman and other economists who were pessimistic about the ability of governments to regulate the business cycle with fiscal policy.

However, the advent of the global financial crisis of 2007–08 caused a resurgence in Keynesian thought. Keynesian economics provided the theoretical underpinning for economic policies undertaken in response to the crisis by President George W. Bush of the United States, Prime Minister Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom, and other heads of governments.


For Hayek

In Hayek's view, the central role of the state should be to maintain the rule of law, with as little arbitrary intervention as possible.

Hayek posited that a central planning authority would have to be endowed with powers that would impact and ultimately control social life, because the knowledge required for centrally planning an economy is inherently decentralized, and would need to be brought under control.
 
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Look like the debate of free market economy and state capitalism still fighting. I think it depends on the business cycle. When 1929 the great depression occured, government intervention controled the economy, then Keynesian economics dominated, at that time, Hayek who proposed free market economy and system build, was not recoginzed. But then in 1970s, the UK complemented privization in public sector, and in 1974, Hayek, won the nobel prize, and Keynes was thrown away. This is interesting, history alternated. When government control is too strict, people want freedom; when freedom is abused, people want control.


For Keynes



For Hayek

that's true, it happened in cycles. In US itself who championed themselves as a master of Capitalism and Liberal Economics powerhouse sometimes there is arises conditions which put a tremendous pressure for the US government to made an intervention into their economics, heavy handed sometimes. Theodore Roosevelt is a prominent figure when we are talking about state control over the market when he is launched a move the GOP toward progesivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. Roosevelt called his domestic policies a "Square Deal", promising a fair deal to the average citizen while breaking up monopolistic corporations, holding down railroad rates, and guaranteeing pure food and drugs.

Look like the debate of free market economy and state capitalism still fighting. I think it depends on the business cycle. When 1929 the great depression occured, government intervention controled the economy, then Keynesian economics dominated, at that time, Hayek who proposed free market economy and system build, was not recoginzed. But then in 1970s, the UK complemented privization in public sector, and in 1974, Hayek, won the nobel prize, and Keynes was thrown away. This is interesting, history alternated. When government control is too strict, people want freedom; when freedom is abused, people want control.


For Keynes



For Hayek

that's true, it happened in cycles. In US itself who championed themselves as a master of Capitalism and Liberal Economics powerhouse sometimes there is arises conditions which put a tremendous pressure for the US government to made an intervention into their economics, heavy handed sometimes. Theodore Roosevelt is a prominent figure when we are talking about state control over the market when he is launched a move the GOP toward progesivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. Roosevelt called his domestic policies a "Square Deal", promising a fair deal to the average citizen while breaking up monopolistic corporations, holding down railroad rates, and guaranteeing pure food and drugs.
 
I think it depends on a lot on what "stage of development" a country is currently in. And China is now a developing country.

Letting the market allocate resources is more efficient, yes. But efficiency here means corporate profit. And may not necessarily be in the best interests of the country.

China is a developing country, therefore we need a huge amount of investment in infrastructure, not just physical infrastructure but social infrastructure, like education and health.

The problem is that large-scale infrastructure projects are often NOT profitable, at least not in the short or medium term. Many such projects are not even profitable in the long run. So where is the motivation for the private sector to build more infrastructure?

In India for example, they leave a lot of the infrastructure building to the private sector. However, the private sector realizes that infrastructure building is not necessarily the best way to maximize their profits, and are unwilling to wait 10+ years just to see a profit on a large infrastructure project. So they will often divert their money elsewhere, for the good of their corporate profits, leaving the nation itself facing a large infrastructure deficit, creating huge bottlenecks for overall economic growth.

In a State capitalist system, the state can allocate resources in a way that benefits the country as a whole, rather than seeking maximum profits. The risk of course, is that money can just as easily be siphoned off by corrupt officials, into their own pockets. Or resources could be allocated for the good of the officials themselves, rather than the country as a whole. These are serious concerns, along with the inefficiency associated with state allocation of resources.

As China becomes more developed, we will see more benefits from allowing the markets to allocate resources. Our upcoming economic reforms are now planning to allow private banking for instance.

Financial Times - China opens door to private banks
 
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that's true, it happened in cycles. In US itself who championed themselves as a master of Capitalism and Liberal Economics powerhouse sometimes there is arises conditions which put a tremendous pressure for the US government to made an intervention into their economics, heavy handed sometimes. Theodore Roosevelt is a prominent figure when we are talking about state control over the market when he is launched a move the GOP toward progesivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. Roosevelt called his domestic policies a "Square Deal", promising a fair deal to the average citizen while breaking up monopolistic corporations, holding down railroad rates, and guaranteeing pure food and drugs.
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In order to do massive intervention like "New Deal" FDR need to slash 50 % defense budget, the condition which will be difficult to happen again in USA when corporation has already become USA ruler (particularly their (defense company) influence in Republican party). We need to avoid our democracy become like USA Today.
 
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In order to do massive intervention like "New Deal" FDR need to slash 50 % defense budget, the condition which will be difficult to happen again in USA when corporation has already become USA ruler (particularly their (defense company) influence in Republican party). We need to avoid our democracy become like USA Today.

but several years later, US got a massive rearmament program towards World War II and bring their economic into a bright future
 
Milton Friedman said it best when he opined,

"Almost all government programs are started with good intentions, but when you look at what they actually achieve, there is a general rule. Almost every such program has results that are the opposite of the intentions of the well-meaning people who originally backed it. "

Left to its own devices, the free market system has an amazing ability to respond to shortages or surpluses in an agile manner. Further, since no oversight or intervention is needed, this system incurs no overhead costs and does not require a wealth sucking bureaucracy.

Unfortunately, government cannot resist the temptation to interfere with the free market through a variety of mechanisms. Subsidizes, rent control, interest rate setting and many other schemes all accomplish the same thing: They fundamentally break the price discovery mechanism of the free market and, in all cases, necessarily lead to inefficiencies and exacerbate problems.

I would like to call one negative consequence to government interference in market capitalism: 1) Rent control
When the government imposes rent control it suppresses the price such that it is below equilibrium.

Fig.%207.2%20Price%20Ceiling.jpg


Notice that this hard ceiling on price has resulted in the following:

  1. High demand due to the low price.
  2. Low supply due to the lack of profits.
These two forces act in opposite directions to force acute and chronic housing shortages. In the above diagram we can quantify the shortage as Q2 – Q1.

Even worse, the establishment of a price ceiling below equilibrium has resulted in a situation where the profits for suppliers of housing (i.e. builders and landlords) is reduced. In this situation these suppliers have little incentive to build additional housing and thus the shortage becomes chronic.

The free market system always leads to optimal prices. The price discovery mechanism will dynamically adjust to shortages, oversupplies or any other disruptions or changes in the market. There is nothing government needs to do other than trust in the natural profit seeking behaviour of the individual and stay out of the way.

It is important to note that in most cases the government is attempting to act in our best interests with their free market manipulations. But you can’t fix an optimal system. Any attempt to regulate or control such a system will inevitably make the system less efficient.




Best,
@Nihonjin1051

Look like the debate of free market economy and state capitalism still fighting. I think it depends on the business cycle. When 1929 the great depression occured, government intervention controled the economy, then Keynesian economics dominated, at that time, Hayek who proposed free market economy and system build, was not recoginzed. But then in 1970s, the UK implemented privization in public sector, and in 1974, Hayek, won the nobel prize, and Keynes was thrown away. This is interesting, history alternated. When government control is too strict, people want freedom; when freedom is abused, people want control.

Ed,

Government intervention in market capitalism will always come back. As you mentioned in your post -- the 1929 Great Depression in the United States. What's interesting is that some 22 years prior -- in 1907 was also an economic recession. During this time period, Herbert Hoover, then the US President had intervened in his fears of workers' wages being affected by the downturn of the economy. What did he do? In order to ensure artificially high wages among all businesses, he reasoned, prices needed to stay high so companies would continue producing. To keep prices high, consumers with the money would need to pay more. He used legislation. Following in the unfortunate tradition of the protectionists, Congress tried to restrict the flow of foreign goods by passing the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.

And I believe that the same thing is happening in developing countries around the world. This will, in the end, return to haunt them. Because government intervention is never , never a good thing in regards to market capitalism.

Best,
@Nihonjin1051
 
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In order to do massive intervention like "New Deal" FDR need to slash 50 % defense budget, the condition which will be difficult to happen again in USA when corporation has already become USA ruler (particularly their (defense company) influence in Republican party). We need to avoid our democracy become like USA Today.

Hello Bro @Indos

I don't think the United States position during the Depression Era of the 1930s is applicable to Indonesia's present circumstance. Why? Because during that time, the United States literally had suffered the worst economic downturn. The unemployment rate had reached a peak at 25% by 1933. The New Deal was, in part, a gamble on President Roosevelt's part, as it invested capital for infrastructure projects in the attempt to give jobs to the unemployed. It followed the idea of economist John Maynard Keynes employing deficit spending to "prime the pump" in the economy. It was several massive government spending projects aimed at keeping the populace employed, strengthening the value of the dollar, and keeping money flowing in the American economy.

You mentioned the defense expenditure rate. Well, considering the Great Depression was a global phenomena -- meaning it affected not only the United States, but also Japan, Europe etc. It is practical for nation(s) experiencing economic crash with unemployment rate over 24% to cut government spending on military and focus on internal development -- meaning -- programs to strengthen the dollar and increase worker productivity.

Indonesia's present situation , as you can see, is not in congruence with the United States' position during the Great Depression because for one, Indonesia is not experiencing an economic depression, on the contrary, she is developing at a moderate and healthy rate. Given the self-correcting nature of market capitalism, it would be unwise for the Government of Indonesia to enact measures akin to the New Deal of Roosevelt's Administration. Such intervention was made out of dire necessity in part of the United States. Indonesia is on the right track.


Best,
@Nihonjin1051
 
Milton Friedman said it best when he opined,

"Almost all government programs are started with good intentions, but when you look at what they actually achieve, there is a general rule. Almost every such program has results that are the opposite of the intentions of the well-meaning people who originally backed it. "

Left to its own devices, the free market system has an amazing ability to respond to shortages or surpluses in an agile manner. Further, since no oversight or intervention is needed, this system incurs no overhead costs and does not require a wealth sucking bureaucracy.

Unfortunately, government cannot resist the temptation to interfere with the free market through a variety of mechanisms. Subsidizes, rent control, interest rate setting and many other schemes all accomplish the same thing: They fundamentally break the price discovery mechanism of the free market and, in all cases, necessarily lead to inefficiencies and exacerbate problems.

I would like to call one negative consequence to government interference in market capitalism: 1) Rent control
When the government imposes rent control it suppresses the price such that it is below equilibrium.

Fig.%207.2%20Price%20Ceiling.jpg


Notice that this hard ceiling on price has resulted in the following:

  1. High demand due to the low price.
  2. Low supply due to the lack of profits.
These two forces act in opposite directions to force acute and chronic housing shortages. In the above diagram we can quantify the shortage as Q2 – Q1.

Even worse, the establishment of a price ceiling below equilibrium has resulted in a situation where the profits for suppliers of housing (i.e. builders and landlords) is reduced. In this situation these suppliers have little incentive to build additional housing and thus the shortage becomes chronic.

The free market system always leads to optimal prices. The price discovery mechanism will dynamically adjust to shortages, oversupplies or any other disruptions or changes in the market. There is nothing government needs to do other than trust in the natural profit seeking behaviour of the individual and stay out of the way.

It is important to note that in most cases the government is attempting to act in our best interests with their free market manipulations. But you can’t fix an optimal system. Any attempt to regulate or control such a system will inevitably make the system less efficient.




Best,
@Nihonjin1051



Ed,

Government intervention in market capitalism will always come back. As you mentioned in your post -- the 1929 Great Depression in the United States. What's interesting is that some 22 years prior -- in 1907 was also an economic recession. During this time period, Herbert Hoover, then the US President had intervened in his fears of workers' wages being affected by the downturn of the economy. What did he do? In order to ensure artificially high wages among all businesses, he reasoned, prices needed to stay high so companies would continue producing. To keep prices high, consumers with the money would need to pay more. He used legislation. Following in the unfortunate tradition of the protectionists, Congress tried to restrict the flow of foreign goods by passing the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.

And I believe that the same thing is happening in developing countries around the world. This will, in the end, return to haunt them. Because government intervention is never , never a good thing in regards to market capitalism.

Best,
@Nihonjin1051

Thanks nihonjin, interesting read, learnt a lot.
 
but several years later, US got a massive rearmament program towards World War II and bring their economic into a bright future

Yes, absolutely. With the outbreak of World War II, the United States Government needed to allocate over $300 Billion to fund and fuel the war effort. Half of that mount was covered by the Untied States Government, but the rest were aided by the best agent in the United States' arsenal: Hollywood.

United States movies and media campaigned to citizens to buy US War Bonds. The war was literally a collective effort. This ensured the ease of operation, production of war material from the home front, to the war front.

Here is an example of the War Bonds propaganda that the United States deployed efficiently,


Exhibit A,
BuyWarBonds.jpg



Exhibit B,
vintage-war-bond-poster.jpg



Exhibit C,
%E2%80%9CDeliver-us-from-evil%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-Buy-War-Bonds.jpg



Exhibit D,
war%20bonds%20with%20Nazi%20bomber%20002.jpg



Exhibit E,
Avenge+Pearl+Harbor.+Our+bullets+will+do+it.gif



Exhibit F,
lechnayf.jpg
 
Hello Bro @Indos

I don't think the United States position during the Depression Era of the 1930s is applicable to Indonesia's present circumstance. Why? Because during that time, the United States literally had suffered the worst economic downturn. The unemployment rate had reached a peak at 25% by 1933. The New Deal was, in part, a gamble on President Roosevelt's part, as it invested capital for infrastructure projects in the attempt to give jobs to the unemployed. It followed the idea of economist John Maynard Keynes employing deficit spending to "prime the pump" in the economy. It was several massive government spending projects aimed at keeping the populace employed, strengthening the value of the dollar, and keeping money flowing in the American economy.

You mentioned the defense expenditure rate. Well, considering the Great Depression was a global phenomena -- meaning it affected not only the United States, but also Japan, Europe etc. It is practical for nation(s) experiencing economic crash with unemployment rate over 24% to cut government spending on military and focus on internal development -- meaning -- programs to strengthen the dollar and increase worker productivity.

Indonesia's present situation , as you can see, is not in congruence with the United States' position during the Great Depression because for one, Indonesia is not experiencing an economic depression, on the contrary, she is developing at a moderate and healthy rate. Given the self-correcting nature of market capitalism, it would be unwise for the Government of Indonesia to enact measures akin to the New Deal of Roosevelt's Administration. Such intervention was made out of dire necessity in part of the United States. Indonesia is on the right track.


Best,
@Nihonjin1051

What i get is, Indos pointing out about the Lobby phenomenon in US political and government today in which to him considered as unhealthy because a lot of US policy must be taken in accordance with the interest of the Lobbyist Party not based to their constituent interest.
 
@Nihonjin1051

Government intervention in Indonesia and South Korea were massive in old days, thats why we have Conglomerates and SK has Chaebol. They use preferred private enterprises to accumulate capital. Free competition was not exist in that time.
 
I agree that during the early phase of governments, these governments tend to enact protectionist policies , and readily intervene. One of the greatest unfortunate debacle that had happened to Japan was our Government's decision to adopt the Plaza Accord, which is largely associated with the housing flop in Japan, and indirectly linked by economists to Japan's lost decade. It was only recently with Koizumi Junichiro and now with Abe Shinzo that government enacted policies that are healthy for corporations, and the market. I do hope that Indonesia learns from Japan's past foibles and stays away from the error in excessive government intervention.It is better to let the economic cycle happen than to delay the inevitable.

Thanks Bro. @Indos and Ms. @madokafc
 
Here we go, Free Market Capitalism vs State Capitalism.

@senheiser @vostok please elaborate your opinions and tell them why our State Capitalism will prevail at the end. :coffee:
 
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