Stalled SR-SAM: Parrikar Briefed Twice In A Month

[PARIKRAMA]

Stalled SR-SAM: Parrikar Briefed Twice In A Month




FIRST OFFICIAL MBDA CONCEPT IMPRESSIONS OF SR-SAM.
European missile house MBDA is making a strong effort at the highest levels to give the comatose long-proposed joint Indo-French SR-SAM development programme new life. Top MBDA executives sought time with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, meeting him twice in the last one month, to brief him about the SR-SAM (proposed to be called 'Maitri'). Sources say Parrikar heard out the MBDA executives but made no commitment, only saying that the representation would be looked into.

• The Indian Army's $6 billion VSHORADS programme for 1,000 launchers and 6,000 missiles has just completed a final round of tests in Bengaluru and Dehradun for sighting systems and radar. MBDA's Mistral competes with the Saab RBS 70NG and KBM Igla-S. With field evaluations complete, the three companies have been notified of a meeting with the test team early next month at which point they will be informed about their performance.

• MBDA has received an RfP from HAL to supply munitions for the Mistral ATAM system already integrated on the ALH Rudra helicopters being supplied to the Indian Army.

• The company has also received an RfP on the integration of the Mistral ATAM system on the Light Combat Helicopter.

• While there's been no word on the PARS 3 LR that's been field evaluated as an air-to-ground weapon for the Rudra against other systems, MBDA has opened preliminary discussions with the Army and DRDO on its new Missile de Moyenne Portée (or Medium Range Missile), successor to the Milan weapon system. The MMP was test-fired for the first time earlier this month.

LIVEFIST: Stalled SR-SAM: Parrikar Briefed Twice In A Month

@sancho @Abingdonboy @Stephen Cohen @CONNAN

 

[IND151]

Barak 1 would suffice, I believe. But I think in long run we should replace it with Akash.

For SR SAM we should have Trishul, For MR SAM Akash and for VLR SAM SA 5 like SAM (Avakash?)

 

[jarves]

Revive this project if only MBDA agrees to codevlop seeker with DRDO.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

MBDA is wasting their time.

Why would MoD agree for a new SR SAM when Akash missile is already there ? ...and a new one with seekers is being developed ? ... not to mention Astra.

 

[UKBengali]

India should make the SR-SAM indigenously.

With an import mentality India will never be self sufficient.

 

[Abingdonboy]

MBDA is wasting their time.

Why would MoD agree for a new SR SAM when Akash missile is already there ? ...and a new one with seekers is being developed ? ... not to mention Astra.

The Akash is hardly an adequate replacement for the SR-SAM given its bulk and lack of VL capability.

 

[GR!FF!N]

we have to complete VSHORADS fast.its running way behind its timeline.

 

[ADD BDM]

India should make the SR-SAM indigenously.

With an import mentality India will never be self sufficient.

its not import its jv..............it will be continuation of trisul srsam

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

The Akash is hardly an adequate replacement for the SR-SAM given its bulk and lack of VL capability.

What has bulk go to do with anything ? Akash costs 3 crores per missile which is half the price of any other missile in its class. It may not have VL but its ability to provide 360 degree coverage is adequate enough.

Then there is Barak-8 in the pipeline. MBDA has no chance in hell.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What has bulk go to do with anything ?

This is critical on the space constrained confines of a naval vessel.

It may not have VL but its ability to provide 360 degree coverage is adequate enough.

How can it offer 360 degree coverage onboard a ship with no VL capability? Are you proposing fitting those bulky launchers the AF and Army versions use on an IN ship?

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

This is critical on the space constrained confines of a naval vessel.

How can it offer 360 degree coverage onboard a ship with no VL capability? Are you proposing fitting those bulky launchers the AF and Army versions use on an IN ship?

For IN, Barak-1 and Barak-8 is already operational. Again no scope for MBDA.

 

[sancho]

Are you proposing fitting those bulky launchers the AF and Army versions use on an IN ship?

That's not possible of course and nobody is considering that. But there are alternatives to the Maitri development based on MICA VL. A Barak 8 mini development as I often point out and Rafael itself is proposing C-Dome as the successor of Barak 1.

Rafael debuts C-DOME Naval Point Defense System at Aero India 2015

Aero India 2015 will see the maiden appearance of Rafael’s C-DOME, Naval Point Defense System for the first time in India. The C-Dome uses the combat-proven Iron Dome interceptor which has already achieved more than 1700 successful interceptions.

The new Naval Point Defense System is designed to effectively protect combat vessels against a large set of modern threats, by engaging multiple targets simultaneously providing defence against saturation attacks, as a result of the very short reaction time enables automatic and semi-automatic engagements. C-Dome components include a multi-round launcher assembly loaded with vertically-launched canisterised interceptors, with the launcher installed under the ship deck. The system does not require dedicated fire control radar and makes use of the ship’s existing surveillance radar. The weapon system command and control is seamlessly integrated with the ship’s combat management system, facilitating system operation.

The Interceptors are vertically launched with unrestricted 360 degree azimuth coverage and the highly advanced warhead ensures high kill probability against a wide range of targets.

The C-Dome interceptor is extremely agile and with a high rate-of-turn, enabling intercepting of even the most manoeuverable targets. Its state-of-the-art proximity fuse maximises lethality and its powerful warhead ensures target destruction. Importantly, the interceptors are maintenance-free, and stored in a sea-proof canister. Up to 10 interceptors can be loaded into a modular Vertical Launcher Unit. C-Dome has a small footprint and can be integrated on small ships, including OPVs and small Corvettes.

Rafael debuts C-DOME Naval Point Defense System at Aero India 2015

 

[CONNAN]

The Indian Navy was to use the Maitri to arm its three Project 16A Brahmaputra-class frigates and anti-submarine warfare corvettes, according to the MoD source The Army requirement was for truck-mounted SRSAMs to replace the existing Russian-made Strella surface to air missiles. The Indian Air Force was to use the truck-mounted SRSAMs to replace Russian-made OSA-AKM surface to air missiles.Rather than waiting for the Maitri, the Army and Air Force have since inducted the Akash, developed by DRDO. However, DRDO was unable to develop a naval version.The Air Force further supplemented its inventory in 2008 by agreeing to purchase 18 Spyder low-level quick-reaction missile LLQRM systems made by Rafael of Israel, which was competing against MBDA.Due to the uncertainty over the Maitri, the Navy opted Barak series as per my knowledege please correct me if i am wrong.

like sancho said i will go for C-dome because its land version is very successful in actual combat

 

[koushik]

MBDA is wasting their time.

Why would MoD agree for a new SR SAM when Akash missile is already there ? ...and a new one with seekers is being developed ? ... not to mention Astra.

Ok firstly Akash is a medium ranged SAM which relies on command guidance instead of an inbuilt seeker and it has a range of 35km which rules it out as an SR-SAM secondly Akash is bulky and isn't VLS configured plus it has a longer reaction time between target acquisition and missile launch...........whereas the SR-SAM needs a max range of 15km only, Should be compact and VLS capable and most importantly should have a very fast reaction coupled with Seekers ( IR or Radar) which will make it a deadly SR-SAM system..!!

These are the major reasons why AKASH isn't the answer for a quick reaction SR SAM and a completely new system is needed.!!

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Ok firstly Akash is a medium ranged SAM which relies on command guidance instead of an inbuilt seeker and it has a range of 35km which rules it out as an SR-SAM secondly Akash is bulky and isn't VLS configured plus it has a longer reaction time between target acquisition and missile launch...........whereas the SR-SAM needs a max range of 15km only, Should be compact and VLS capable and most importantly should have a very fast reaction coupled with Seekers ( IR or Radar) which will make it a deadly SR-SAM system..!!

These are the major reasons why AKASH isn't the answer for a quick reaction SR SAM and a completely new system is needed.!!

LOL. What is the reaction time required for the SR-SAM ? Why can't a SAM of 30 km range not be used for 15 km range ? ........ what has VLS or being bulky got anything to do with Land based SAM ?