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[kurup]

It is one and the same. Recognition as a disputed or occupied territory means the separatist struggle is accepted as having some legitimacy.

IMEU: UNGA Resolution 2649 on the right of populations to resist occupation

Affirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples under colonial and alien domination recognized as being entitled to the right of self-determination to restore to themselves that right by any means at their disposal;

Does this resolution applies for kashmir ??

Can somebody post all the resolutions passed by UN regarding kashmir ??

Wrong. This is what you wrote:

By your own logic, WW2 resistance fighters against the Nazis were terrorists.

And it should also depend on who is the one facing persecution .

Were the Nazis the one who were the one persecuted ??

 

[A1Kaid]

Kashmir belongs to Pakistan even Kashmiris want to join Pakistan, so Pakistan has every right to take action against occupiers in Kashmir.

 

[kurup]

Kill the bastards well done Kashmiries...

Two ba$tard terrorists were killed and two are being hunted down .

Thanks for your support.

Long live the freedom fighters.

Looks like they were short lived ..

That is bullshit!!

As per UN the dispute is b/w two nations..as to legality of the land. It is not a dispute b/w people and state!!Hence is not a freedom struggle.
No where UN defines Kashmir as an occupied territory!!


And more so Pakistani administrated part of Kashmir has the exact same legal status as Indian administrated part..so any terrorist activity there should also be viewed as freedom struggle.

@Developereo ; Your opinion on the bold part .

 

[Developereo]

@Developereo ; Your opinion on the bold part .

Already answered above.

The UN resolution demanding a plebiscite acknowledges that the people are party to the dispute and do not accept either country's sovereignty. It explicitly demands the withdrawal of troops from the region. It is not merely an issue between New Delhi and Islamabad.

 

[ares]

The UN has recognized the right of Kashmiri people to decide their own fate through a plebiscite which recognizes that the people themselves do not accept of the current setup.

If it was merely a matter between the states themselves, the UN would not give the people any say in the matter.


If Azad Kashmiris started a separatist struggle then it would have the same legitimacy as in Indian Kashmir.

No. Do not twist the facts to suit your narrative.
UN has advised India and Pakistan to hold plebiscite in Kashmir to ascertain which country the land should go to after certain preconditions laid by it are fulfilled.
It has nothing to do with freedom or independence ..as independence is not an option on the table.

Hence Kashmir can not be an occupied territory...it does not say such anywhere on UN resolutions, these are but your excuses to justify terrorism...just like how you justify terrorism in Afghanistan as Taliban's independence struggle against coalitions forces.


Well not just Azad Kashmir, GB(Northern areas) too.

Already answered above.

The UN resolution demanding a plebiscite acknowledges that the people are party to the dispute. It is not merely an issue between New Delhi and Islamabad.

Which still does not explain, where did UN claim..that Kashmir is an occupied territory?

 

[ares]

Kashmir belongs to Pakistan even Kashmiris want to join Pakistan, so Pakistan has every right to take action against occupiers in Kashmir.

Isn't your greed for more land(Kashmir), has landed you in where you are?
ie.
Minus half your country and fighting a very bloody war on terrorism, a monster you created to attain Kashmir in the first place.
Clearly your misplaced priorities are spelling doom of your nation.

 

[Developereo]

Which still does not explain, where did UN claim..that Kashmir is an occupied territory?

The designation is as disputed territory but, contrary to your claim that the people are not involved, the UN has made it clear that the plebiscite should be held after troops withdraw.

That's an acknowledgement that
a) the Kashmiri people are party to the dispute
b) they do not accept the current setup
c) they have the right to determine their fate
d) either country's troops do not belong in the disputed region

In other words, the Kashmiri people are living in conditions under an army which does not belong there.

It is a grey area -- not fully occupied, not fully internal -- which is why India and Pakistan can promote their interpretation of events.

 

[GoodBoy]

Long live the freedom fighters.

Yeah Talibunnies as well who are killing innocent civiians in Pakistan.

 

[SatishChandra07]

Isn't your greed for more land(Kashmir), has landed you in where you are?
ie.
Minus half your country and fighting a very bloody war on terrorism, a monster you created to attain Kashmir in the first place.
Clearly your misplaced priorities are spelling doom of your nation.

I think the time has come to accept defeat in Kahmir and move on. We should surrender Kashmir to Pakistan and it's people, the occupation is inhuman and brutal.

 

[GoodBoy]

The designation is as disputed territory but, contrary to your claim that the people are not involved, the UN has made it clear that the plebiscite should be held after troops withdraw.

That's an acknowledgement that
a) the Kashmiri people are party to the dispute
b) they do not accept the current setup
c) they have the right to determine their fate
d) either country's troops do not belong in the disputed region

In other words, the Kashmiri people are living in conditions under an army which does not belong there.

It is a grey area -- not fully occupied, not fully internal -- which is why India and Pakistan can promote their interpretation of events.

If you really are confident that all the above has some sense then go in UN and cry... UN would simply laugh at you and ask to solve it with India bilaterally.

 

[IndoCarib]

I think the time has come to accept defeat in Kahmir and move on. We should surrender Kashmir to Pakistan and it's people, the occupation is inhuman and brutal.

If more Pakistanis flash Indian flags, Kashmir problem will cease to exist

 

[Jade]

Already answered above.

The UN resolution demanding a plebiscite acknowledges that the people are party to the dispute and do not accept either country's sovereignty. It explicitly demands the withdrawal of troops from the region. It is not merely an issue between New Delhi and Islamabad.

What about the non enforceability of the resolutions? Doesn't it give India a choice for opting out of the plebiscite. Legally India has not done any wrong, so it cannot be classified has 'occupied territory'.

If you are talking about moral obligation, then why not Pakistan conduct a plebiscite in its held area and force India to conduct one.

 

[GoodBoy]

Kashmir belongs to Pakistan even Kashmiris want to join Pakistan, so Pakistan has every right to take action against occupiers in Kashmir.

So this makes it clear that you want land of Kashmir and dont care how many Kashmiris are killed.

Thanks a lot for making it clear even though we know it.

Now we got solid reason for defending Kashmir and which would never be yours

What about the non enforceability of the resolutions? Doesn't it give India a choice for opting out of the plebiscite. Legally India has not done any wrong, so it cannot be classified has 'occupied territory'.

If you are talking about moral obligation, then why not Pakistan conduct a plebiscite in its held area and force India to conduct one.

They know that they are WRONG but wont admit it.

 

[Developereo]

What about the non enforceability of the resolutions?

That just reflects the relative diplomatic skill of Pak and India. The important point is the acknowledgement that the Kashmiri people are party to the dispute.

If you are talking about moral obligation, then why not Pakistan conduct a plebiscite in its held area and force India to conduct one.

The discussion here was not to find a solution, but to show that the UN recognizes the unwillingness of the Kashmiri people with the current setup and the inadmissibility of the Pak/Indian army in Kashmir.

 

[ares]

The designation is as disputed territory but, contrary to your claim that the people are not involved, the UN has made it clear that the plebiscite should be held after troops withdraw.

That's an acknowledgement that
a) the Kashmiri people are party to the dispute
b) they do not accept the current setup
c) they have the right to determine their fate
d) either country's troops do not belong in the disputed region

Yes UN defines entire Kashmir including AJK and GB as disputed territory pending resolution.And one of ways it suggests to solve the dispute is holding a plebiscite after the invading forces..ie Pakistani troops and lashkars move out of the parts they occupied and India is allowed to station certain number of troops in Kashmir and India will hold the plebiscite under its oversight.

However important point to note here is

1) It is only an advice on how to solve the dispute, therefore non mandatory and non time bound.
2) It is only applicable if both the parties(yes UN recognizes only two parties to the dispute, 'people' are not recognized as a party to the dispute) agree to with. Clearly Pakistan must not agree with it, as it still continues to occupy AJK and NA.

In other words, the Kashmiri people are living in conditions under an army which does not belong there.

Wrong again, neither party has abided by the UN resolution but India is allowed to station troops in Kashmir(not just Indian administrated part but entire Kashmir) till the dispute is resolved.

It is a grey area -- not fully occupied, not fully internal -- which is why India and Pakistan can promote their interpretation of events.

No they can not ..an act of terrorism can not be justified as freedom struggle just like how "UNGA Resolution 2649 on the right of populations to resist occupation" is for people of occupied territories and not disputed territories.