Spirituality-: Finding the truth

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Hi All,
First I want to make clear that this thread is not on religious topic, nor about any religion.
I'm talking about spirituality here.
I have been met and had conversation with many religious people around the world. And I was surprised that many of them even don't know the meaning of spiritualism. They connects spiritualism with religion.
But here I tell you that spiritualism is different from religions.
What is spiritualism??
Spiritualism is the scientific way to connect with The Almighty God. Its all about searching and finding the truth. This is not about blind beliefs. Its all about finding your own light.
Mostly religious people think that there are only two types people living in this world. One is religious and other is atheists.
But they don't know there is a middle way existed between religion and atheism. That's is spiritualism.
Spiritualism never praise or criticize anything. Its all about your individual connection with the Almighty .
Once a person becomes spiritual , will be no longer religious.
And if a person is no longer religious , he/she can't be hated by anyone on the name of religion. So spiritualism is the only way to bring peace in this world.
Only then nobody will find a reason to hate you or kill you.
Here I'm posting some spiritual quotes from some of great spiritual personalities. :-

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Spirituality has nothing to do with science as there is no scientific way of connecting with almighty . Science deal with physical entity not spiritual or non physical beings. There are spiritual practices in religion. Spirituality is more abstract than religion..btw how you views sufism vs spirituality ?

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Spirituality has nothing to do with science as there is no scientific way of connecting with almighty . Science deal with physical entity not spiritual or non physical beings. There are spiritual practices in religion. Spirituality is more abstract than religion..btw how you views sufism vs spirituality ?

Not agree. Science means research and invention. science is not a physical definition of something.

Sufism:- Sufism is purely based on spiritualism.

 

[Signalian]

spirituality as in science of spirits?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Not agree. Science means research and invention. science is not a physical definition of something.

Sufism:- Sufism is purely based on spiritualism.

I think you did not comprehend . Science deals with matter(physical substance) which we can perceive(see, touch, feel etc) by our senses while spirituality is not physical entity . Sufism is Islamic mysticism

 

[livingdead]

spiritualism does not necessarily involve a deity or god.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I think you did not comprehend . Science deals with matter(physical substance) which we can perceive(see, touch, feel etc) by our senses while spirituality is not physical entity . Sufism is Islamic mysticism

I won't comment on science as I know you will not understand comprehensive.
Sufism:- If you read sufism once with explanation , it will no longer be mysticism for you.
Sufism is as same in Islam as Saint-mat in Hinduism.

 

[Laozi]

Once a person becomes spiritual , will be no longer religious

More spiritual the person more religious he becomes.

I think you did not comprehend . Science deals with matter(physical substance) which we can perceive(see, touch, feel etc) by our senses while spirituality is not physical entity . Sufism is Islamic mysticism

Think about gravity, magnetism and radiation OR what force is keeping this universe as we perceive it.

 

[Pakistani E]

I tell you that spiritualism is different from religions.

Sufism:- Sufism is purely based on spiritualism.

Since in your first post you said Spirituality is different from religion, it seems you are saying that Sufis do not have a foundation in Islam. I find this amusing thought to be very prevalent amongst some non Muslims who are attracted to Sufi Saints but try to say at the same time that Sufis don't have a religion, just because they don't want to seem like praising something Islamic or sometimes, any religion

My friend, you can't even be a "Sufi" unless you had/have a teacher from a long established lines of teachers going back to the Holy Prophet (Saw) of Islam through the Bay'ah system.

Maulana Rumi (rh) also said this:

I am the servant of the Qur'an as long as I have life. I am the dust on the path of Muhammad (peace be upon him), the Chosen one. If anyone quotes anything except this from my sayings, I am quit of him and outraged by these words.

Rumi's Quatrain, No. 1173

I mean no offence, just don't agree that religion and spirituality are two different things. On the contrary, religion and spirituality is connected but I accept that being religious does not automatically make you spiritual, but spirituality is being in the higher form of religion.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Islam and Spirituality

In Islam, spirituality is defined as the linking of actions to the purpose of life. So for instance, a Muslim’s purpose of life is to worship Allah, hence spirituality in this sense is linking the actions of an individual to the purpose of their life. Actions on their own, without using this framework, are just that – actions. They are material constructs of time, space and objects.

So somebody could pray their salah without ever thinking about the words they are reciting and with these words having no impact upon them. This prayer cannot then be described as spiritual because it has become robot-like. It is just the same as eating a certain meal, or going on a train, as there is no link to the purpose of life. A Muslim is he who does actions to seek the pleasure of Allah and to draw nearer to Him. By this definition, all actions undertaken for the pleasure of Allah are spiritual because they link the material action with the purpose of life.

This why sexual relations within marriage, the most material of actions, becomes a spiritual action when linked to Allah سبحانه وتعالى commands. Spirituality has often been seen as an intangible sensation, based on the Christian precept of the Holy Spirit inspiring morality and hence, actions. This understanding is wholly inconsistent and at complete contrast with the way Islam views spirituality because this view is subjective, whereas the Islamic view is objective because it is from Allah.

There are two extremes of practising spirituality. Firstly, there are those who are highly influenced by and inclined to emotional spirituality and to ignoring the aspects of life perceived to be ‘materialistic’, preferring the spiritual value over the materialistic one. So they accordingly turn to prayer (individual ibaadah) and renounce the material world and its aspects; they neglect life because it is material and under such a common definition and understanding, it becomes obvious that religion is bound to be a personal matter in every sense of the word. When this becomes common in people’s thoughts, the standard of living in the society they live in declines as they seek only to perfect their character and morals. On the other extreme are those who are highly influenced by the material world and are taken over by their whims and neglect the spiritual value, preferring the materialistic value and making their purpose in life to achieve it.

When Islam speaks of zuhd (living an austere life) in this world, this means that one should not take the world as one’s goal in life, for example setting the procurement of wealth as the highest goal. It does not mean that Muslims should not enjoy the good and halaal aspects of life. This is contrary to ascetism and renunciation of the world, both of which require the abandoning of pleasures and delights in life despite having the ability to attain them. This contradicts Islam.

It is also wrong for Muslims to evaluate actions from a deen-and-dunya perspective (matter and spirit). Instead they must be evaluated by their Creator who is Allah سبحانه وتعالى. The Shari’ah or laws of Allah has demonstrated the solutions to life’s problems through obedience to Allah’s commands and prohibitions. Allah has also shown Muslims the action that achieves the spiritual value which is the Fard (obligatory) and Mandub (recommended) worships.

The best example we have of this is that of the Sahabahs or Companions of the Prophet. They took part in wars, governed the lands of the Muslims, engaged in business and trade and all these actions came under the banner of spirituality. If we begin to separate matters into ‘deeni’ and ‘dunya’ matters, we run the risk of compartmentalising Islam and at the very least losing out on the reward of everyday actions. At its worst, this mentality will lead to secularism where we completely separate our actions from our purpose of life, leading to a compromise of our religion.

Inevitably we must realise our relationship with Allah سبحانه وتعالى when undertaking any action, whether it is spiritual or material, thus making sure that our actions are in accordance to the commands and prohibitions of Allah سبحانه وتعالى and ultimately attaining his pleasure.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Since in your first post you said Spirituality is different from religion, it seems you are saying that Sufis do not have a foundation in Islam. I find this amusing thought to be very prevalent amongst some non Muslims who are attracted to Sufi Saints but try to say at the same time that Sufis don't have a religion, just because they don't want to seem like praising something Islamic.

My friend, you can't even be a "Sufi" unless you had/have a teacher from a long established lines of teachers going back to the Holy Prophet (Saw) of Islam through the Bay'ah system.

Maulana Rumi (rh) also said this:

I am the servant of the Qur'an as long as I have life. I am the dust on the path of Muhammad (peace be upon him), the Chosen one. If anyone quotes anything except this from my sayings, I am quit of him and outraged by these words.

Rumi's Quatrain, No. 1173

I mean no offence, just don't agree that religion and spirituality are two different things. On the contrary, religion and spirituality is connected but I accept that being religious does not automatically make you spiritual, but spirituality is being in the higher form of religion.

Suffis had their own spiritual masters. Yes, they were born in Muslim family but they trusted more in spirituality than in Islam.
You must note that you will find only those non Muslims attracted towards suffis who are not purely religious.

I only posted spiritual quote of Rumi but I don't consider Rumi as Sufi.

 

[Pakistani E]

Suffis had their own spiritual masters. Yes, they were born in Muslim family but they trusted more in spirituality than in Islam.

You do not understand the concept of Spiritual masters then. Those spiritual masters could only take Bay'ah and teach others if they themselves were taught by the unbroken link going back to the Holy Prophet (saw), who was taught by God himself. This is the Sufi concept of Spiritual masters, that the Deen was taught by Allah ta'ala to the Holy Prophet (saw) then through him to his ummah and amongst them later arose the spiritual masters who would take the bay'ah.

I find your statement "trusted more in spirituality than in Islam" to have no basis in facts. Most Sufis who are presented to the world with their Islamic leanings whitewashed also were acclaimed Islamic theologians and jurists themselves. Your desperate attempt to de-link Sufis from Islam just shows your ignorance of this matter.

I only posted spiritual quote of Rumi but I don't consider Rumi as Sufi.

Haha, how strange. You reject the Maulana's (rh) Sufi credentials while he himself was a student of a Sufi and taught in a Sufi Madrassah, practising Jurisprudence and giving fatwas and his son founded a Sufi order on his father's teachings.

Now that you have expelled the Maulana saheb (rh) from the Sufi order, will you do the same for Bulleh Shah (rh) above if I post more detailed information of him also?

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Islam and Spirituality

In Islam, spirituality is defined as the linking of actions to the purpose of life. So for instance, a Muslim’s purpose of life is to worship Allah, hence spirituality in this sense is linking the actions of an individual to the purpose of their life. Actions on their own, without using this framework, are just that – actions. They are material constructs of time, space and objects.

So somebody could pray their salah without ever thinking about the words they are reciting and with these words having no impact upon them. This prayer cannot then be described as spiritual because it has become robot-like. It is just the same as eating a certain meal, or going on a train, as there is no link to the purpose of life. A Muslim is he who does actions to seek the pleasure of Allah and to draw nearer to Him. By this definition, all actions undertaken for the pleasure of Allah are spiritual because they link the material action with the purpose of life.

This why sexual relations within marriage, the most material of actions, becomes a spiritual action when linked to Allah سبحانه وتعالى commands. Spirituality has often been seen as an intangible sensation, based on the Christian precept of the Holy Spirit inspiring morality and hence, actions. This understanding is wholly inconsistent and at complete contrast with the way Islam views spirituality because this view is subjective, whereas the Islamic view is objective because it is from Allah.

There are two extremes of practising spirituality. Firstly, there are those who are highly influenced by and inclined to emotional spirituality and to ignoring the aspects of life perceived to be ‘materialistic’, preferring the spiritual value over the materialistic one. So they accordingly turn to prayer (individual ibaadah) and renounce the material world and its aspects; they neglect life because it is material and under such a common definition and understanding, it becomes obvious that religion is bound to be a personal matter in every sense of the word. When this becomes common in people’s thoughts, the standard of living in the society they live in declines as they seek only to perfect their character and morals. On the other extreme are those who are highly influenced by the material world and are taken over by their whims and neglect the spiritual value, preferring the materialistic value and making their purpose in life to achieve it.

When Islam speaks of zuhd (living an austere life) in this world, this means that one should not take the world as one’s goal in life, for example setting the procurement of wealth as the highest goal. It does not mean that Muslims should not enjoy the good and halaal aspects of life. This is contrary to ascetism and renunciation of the world, both of which require the abandoning of pleasures and delights in life despite having the ability to attain them. This contradicts Islam.

It is also wrong for Muslims to evaluate actions from a deen-and-dunya perspective (matter and spirit). Instead they must be evaluated by their Creator who is Allah سبحانه وتعالى. The Shari’ah or laws of Allah has demonstrated the solutions to life’s problems through obedience to Allah’s commands and prohibitions. Allah has also shown Muslims the action that achieves the spiritual value which is the Fard (obligatory) and Mandub (recommended) worships.

The best example we have of this is that of the Sahabahs or Companions of the Prophet. They took part in wars, governed the lands of the Muslims, engaged in business and trade and all these actions came under the banner of spirituality. If we begin to separate matters into ‘deeni’ and ‘dunya’ matters, we run the risk of compartmentalising Islam and at the very least losing out on the reward of everyday actions. At its worst, this mentality will lead to secularism where we completely separate our actions from our purpose of life, leading to a compromise of our religion.

Inevitably we must realise our relationship with Allah سبحانه وتعالى when undertaking any action, whether it is spiritual or material, thus making sure that our actions are in accordance to the commands and prohibitions of Allah سبحانه وتعالى and ultimately attaining his pleasure.

Mate, spiritualism is not a group of people or something imposing on you.
Spiritualism is not an outer sense. It is purely individual connectivity between soul and God.
Islam only teach you how you can have faith in Allah. But It doesn't teach how you can connect with Allah in real and can listen inner sound while you are alive on this earth.
That's why you will not find a single Muslim claiming that he did listen Allah's sound.
But you will find each and every spiritual Sufi saint claiming that they have listened His sound and saw His light in same way. No matter they were born in different period of times.

You do not understand the concept of Spiritual masters then. Those spiritual masters could only take Bay'ah and teach others if they themselves were taught by the unbroken link going back to the Holy Prophet (saw), who was taught by God himself. This is the Sufi concept of Spiritual masters, that the Deen was taught by Allah ta'ala to the Holy Prophet (saw) then through him to his ummah and amongst them later arose the spiritual masters who would take the bay'ah.

I find your statement "trusted more in spirituality than in Islam" to have no basis in facts. Most Sufis who are presented to the world with their Islamic leanings whitewashed also were acclaimed Islamic theologians and jurists themselves. Your desperate attempt to de-link Sufis from Islam just shows your ignorance of this matter.



Haha, how strange. You reject the Maulana's (rh) Sufi credentials while he himself was a student of a Sufi and taught in a Sufi Madrassah, practising Jurisprudence and giving fatwas and his son founded a Sufi order on his father's teachings.

Now that you have expelled the Maulana saheb (rh) from the Sufi order, will you do the same for Bulleh Shah (rh) above if I post more detailed information of him also?

You need a lesson on true Sufism. Bulle shah was a class of Sufism and spirituality. He was a true spiritual master.
Its late night here now. Bye for now. Gn

 

[Pakistani E]

You need a lesson on true Sufism. Bulle shah was a class of Sufism and spirituality. He was a true spiritual master.
Its late night here now. Bye for now. Gn

Look forward to your lesson on true Sufism. Sleep well.

 

[M. Sarmad]

My friend, you can't even be a "Sufi" unless you had/have a teacher from a long established lines of teachers going back to the Holy Prophet (Saw) of Islam through the Bay'ah system.

Bro, Sufism, just like Islam, didn't start with Muhammad (pbuh) .. Adam was the first Muslim, He was the first Sufi.
... The Sufis are an ancient spiritual freemasonry whose origins have never been traced ... The Mughal Sufi-Prince Dara Shikoh identified Sufi teachings in the Hindu Vedas ... The world has called them Zoroastrian, Christian, Jewish, or Islamic mystics ... Sufism has multi-religious roots... Sufis are men of divine knowledge, they are not simple followers of any religion. However, there is a difference between "Jog" and "Fakar (fakiri)" ...