Spirituality-: Finding the truth

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Mate, spiritualism is not a group of people or something imposing on you.
Spiritualism is not an outer sense. It is purely individual connectivity between soul and God.
Islam only teach you how you can have faith in Allah. But It doesn't teach how you can connect with Allah in real and can listen inner sound while you are alive on this earth.
That's why you will not find a single Muslim claiming that he did listen Allah's sound.
But you will find each and every spiritual Sufi saint claiming that they have listened His sound and saw His light in same way. No matter they were born in different period of times.

Inner sound? Allahs sound? If you are talking about miracles then number of miracles were bestowed upon Prophets of Allah to prove their claim of Prophethood. You are definitely struggling to explain yourself because i have no clue what inner sound you are talking about which connect us to creator. We Muslim find inner peace when we offer Salah and bow down to Allah which is sufficient for us.

By the way Prophet Moses (PBUH) did wished to speak to God directly and Quran mentioned it

And when Musa (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord spoke to him, he said: "O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allah said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain if it stands still in its place then you shall see Me." So when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He made it collapse to dust, and Musa (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers.

 

[Signalian]

Mate, spiritualism is not a group of people or something imposing on you.
Spiritualism is not an outer sense. It is purely individual connectivity between soul and God.
Islam only teach you how you can have faith in Allah. But It doesn't teach how you can connect with Allah in real and can listen inner sound while you are alive on this earth.
That's why you will not find a single Muslim claiming that he did listen Allah's sound.
But you will find each and every spiritual Sufi saint claiming that they have listened His sound and saw His light in same way. No matter they were born in different period of times.


You need a lesson on true Sufism. Bulle shah was a class of Sufism and spirituality. He was a true spiritual master.
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Highlighted part: Actually Islam does teach real connection with Allah, but its up to the individual also to go that extra mile if the desire is burning in his heart.

Another thing, Connection between souls is also present apart from connection between soul and God, but since all connections lead towards God, so its justifiable.

Rest, i agree.

I only posted spiritual quote of Rumi but I don't consider Rumi as Sufi.

How so?

Suffis had their own spiritual masters. Yes, they were born in Muslim family but they trusted more in spirituality than in Islam.

Spirituality actually made those sufis best muslims and closest to Allah and prophet (SAW).

The spiritual master was important because guidance was needed in the form of divine love of Allah whereas the last Prophet (SAW) had departed his physical form. Spiritual masters are even required today for guidance. Actually spiritual masters is a huge topic by itself.

Mostly religious people think that there are only two types people living in this world. One is religious and other is atheists.
But they don't know there is a middle way existed between religion and atheism. That's is spiritualism.

Actually, spiritualism is more of a short-cut to connect to God.

Hi All,
Once a person becomes spiritual , will be no longer religious.
And if a person is no longer religious , he/she can't be hated by anyone on the name of religion. So spiritualism is the only way to bring peace in this world.
Only then nobody will find a reason to hate you or kill you.

Every religion has some form of spiritualism in it, so bringing world peace through spiritualism by taking people away from religion is not possible.

My friend, you can't even be a "Sufi" unless you had/have a teacher from a long established lines of teachers going back to the Holy Prophet (Saw) of Islam through the Bay'ah system.

Yes correct.

 

[gayMo]

Long before these sufi peddlers hindu saints had deep insights into spirituality and had beautiful and complex philosophies. One needs to shed islam from sufism to find the spirit behind their spiritualism.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Inner sound? Allahs sound? If you are talking about miracles then number of miracles were bestowed upon Prophets of Allah to prove their claim of Prophethood. You are definitely struggling to explain yourself because i have no clue what inner sound you are talking about which connect us to creator. We Muslim find inner peace when we offer Salah and bow down to Allah which is sufficient for us.

By the way Prophet Moses (PBUH) did wished to speak to God directly and Quran mentioned it

And when Musa (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord spoke to him, he said: "O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allah said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain if it stands still in its place then you shall see Me." So when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He made it collapse to dust, and Musa (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers.

That's why I created this thread. Religious people only talk about their faith and blind belief. You are doing the same . I don't want turn this thread into religious discussion.
Im just talking about spiritualism which is an inner experience , it's your own experience .
If you want to know about inner sound. Pplz read the teaching of any saint and Sufi . They explained it very well.
https://medium.com/sant-mat-meditat...course-on-inner-sound-meditation-6ab48ca457e1

That's why I created this thread. Religious people only talk about their faith and blind belief. You are doing the same . I don't want turn this thread into religious discussion.
Im just talking about spiritualism which is an inner experience , it's your own experience .
If you want to know about inner sound. Pplz read the teaching of any saint and Sufi . They explained it very well.
https://medium.com/sant-mat-meditat...course-on-inner-sound-meditation-6ab48ca457e1

https://santmatradhasoami.wordpress.com/category/inner-sound-meditation/

 

[gayMo]

Highlighted part: Actually Islam does teach real connection with Allah, but its up to the individual also to go that extra mile if the desire is burning in his heart.

Another thing, Connection between souls is also present apart from connection between soul and God, but since all connections lead towards God, so its justifiable.

Rest, i agree.


How so?


Spirituality actually made those sufis best muslims and closest to Allah and prophet (SAW).

The spiritual master was important because guidance was needed in the form of divine love of Allah whereas the last Prophet (SAW) had departed his physical form. Spiritual masters are even required today for guidance. Actually spiritual masters is a huge topic by itself.


Actually, spiritualism is more of a short-cut to connect to God.


Every religion has some form of spiritualism in it, so bringing world peace through spiritualism by taking people away from religion is not possible.


Yes correct.

If muslims believe in spiritualism then do they say that other religions followers cannot be spiritual? I ask this because for muslims spiritualism is a way to connect with allah and there can be one way to connect. Which means that spirituality can only be the allah way and not the hindu way or Buddhist or taoist ways???

 

[Signalian]

If muslims believe in spiritualism then do they say that other religions followers cannot be spiritual? I ask this because for muslims spiritualism is a way to connect with allah and there can be one way to connect. Which means that spirituality can only be the allah way and not the hindu way or Buddhist or taoist ways???

Spirituality and connection to God is in every religion.

Spiritual people in islam are usually called sufis.

 

[zip]

If spiritualism is science then religions are technologies.. Spiritualism is broader base..

 

[gayMo]

Spirituality and connection to God is in every religion.

Spiritual people in islam are usually called sufis.

Then why do everyone say that Islam says there is one way to connect to Allah which is by following Muhammad's teachings.
Then what about the discovery of different paths by other civilizations? Sufism seems a bit anti thesis of islam , is that right??

 

[Signalian]

Then why do everyone say that Islam says there is one way to connect to Allah which is by following Muhammad's teachings.

That's the way which has been taught in Islam, follow Prophet SAW teachings and connect to Allah.

Allah is for everyone, every human being. He listens to everyone, not just muslims and He blesses everyone, not just muslims. Your parents/teacher must have told you ways to connect to God. I am sure that you made prayers to Allah/Bhagwan/God/Lord that came true.

Then what about the discovery of different paths by other civilizations?

Which discovery are you talking about?

Sufism seems a bit anti thesis of islam , is that right??

Its the way one interprets Islam or Sufism or both altogether. Everyone has own views and experiences.

 

[utraash]

Not agree. Science means research and invention. science is not a physical definition of something.

Sufism:- Sufism is purely based on spiritualism.

In my experience spirituality means inner cleansing. There are three level of mediation as per my experience.
First body level you would feel bodily energy vibration.
Second is mind level where your thoughts drives your attention but when happens otherwise you would start experience a connect between you & your manifestation.
Third is soul/heart level, where you would find yourself getting closer to supreme one( or the one source of supreme consciousness or the one who you believe is creator of your being or allah, or Bhagwan)....
At third level you cleanse all your aura as well reaching higher positive energy level. The more you spend times in third level everything becomes immaterial to your being. You set to explore the inner world more furiously & eventually you become a enlightened soul.

This has been my own experience so far.

 

[gayMo]

That's the way which has been taught in Islam, follow Prophet SAW teachings and connect to Allah.

Allah is for everyone, every human being. He listens to everyone, not just muslims and He blesses everyone, not just muslims. Your parents/teacher must have told you ways to connect to God. I am sure that you made prayers to Allah/Bhagwan/God/Lord that came true.

Which discovery are you talking about?


Its the way one interprets Islam or Sufism or both altogether. Everyone has own views and experiences.

I talk about the spiritual discoveries of various saints and philosophers from the dawn of mankind around the world.
The majority of folks in this forum say that all other religious beliefs are false. Hence wondering if the notion of spirituality is a concept unique to Islam which is different from the spirituality in other religions and people.

In my experience spirituality means inner cleansing. There are three level of mediation as per my experience.
First body level you would feel bodily energy vibration.
Second is mind level where your thoughts drives your attention but when happens otherwise you would start experience a connect between you & your manifestation.
Third is soul/heart level, where you would find yourself getting closer to supreme one( or the one source of supreme consciousness or the one who you believe is creator of your being or allah, or Bhagwan)....
At third level you cleanse all your aura as well reaching higher positive energy level. The more you spend times in third level everything becomes immaterial to your being. You set to explore the inner world more furiously & eventually you become a enlightened soul.

This has been my own experience so far.

Have u tried Silva mind control

 

[Srinivas]

Spirituality is also a branch in Hinduism.
One can find many spiritual Hindus through out history.

Hi All,
First I want to make clear that this thread is not on religious topic, nor about any religion.
I'm talking about spirituality here.
I have been met and had conversation with many religious people around the world. And I was surprised that many of them even don't know the meaning of spiritualism. They connects spiritualism with religion.
But here I tell you that spiritualism is different from religions.
What is spiritualism??
Spiritualism is the scientific way to connect with The Almighty God. Its all about searching and finding the truth. This is not about blind beliefs. Its all about finding your own light.
Mostly religious people think that there are only two types people living in this world. One is religious and other is atheists.
But they don't know there is a middle way existed between religion and atheism. That's is spiritualism.
Spiritualism never praise or criticize anything. Its all about your individual connection with the Almighty .
Once a person becomes spiritual , will be no longer religious.
And if a person is no longer religious , he/she can't be hated by anyone on the name of religion. So spiritualism is the only way to bring peace in this world.
Only then nobody will find a reason to hate you or kill you.
Here I'm posting some spiritual quotes from some of great spiritual personalities. :-
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[Signalian]

I talk about the spiritual discoveries of various saints and philosophers from the dawn of mankind around the world.
The majority of folks in this forum say that all other religious beliefs are false. Hence wondering if the notion of spirituality is a concept unique to Islam which is different from the spirituality in other religions and people.

The concepts, levels, even ways to attain spirituality and many other things can be different in every religion.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

In my experience spirituality means inner cleansing. There are three level of mediation as per my experience.
First body level you would feel bodily energy vibration.
Second is mind level where your thoughts drives your attention but when happens otherwise you would start experience a connect between you & your manifestation.
Third is soul/heart level, where you would find yourself getting closer to supreme one( or the one source of supreme consciousness or the one who you believe is creator of your being or allah, or Bhagwan)....
At third level you cleanse all your aura as well reaching higher positive energy level. The more you spend times in third level everything becomes immaterial to your being. You set to explore the inner world more furiously & eventually you become a enlightened soul.

This has been my own experience so far.

Yes, I'm talking about your own experience but here posters are preaching their religion unnecessarily.

 

[Signalian]

Yes, I'm talking about your own experience but here posters are preaching their religion unnecessarily.

How is Rumi not a sufi?