SP Ilyas, three family members gunned down in Quetta

[Mrc]

All had Iranian visa. They were to enter Iran legally but were probably caught by anti-Punjabi RAW agents (the ones claiming responsibilities)
From Iran, they intended to travel to Europe illegally.
If it were human traffickers, they would have allowed them to enter Iran.

Release of Allah nazar family was a peace offering... may be a small deal... this may be an effort to derail any talks... just saying ... we should verify who is behind this attack first

 

[Irfan Baloch]

SP Ilyas, three family members gunned down in Quetta
November 15, 2017

By:Samaa Web Desk

Published in Pakistan

QUETTA: At least four people, including a senior police officer, were killed in an ambush on his vehicle in Quetta on Wednesday, SAMAA reported.

The gun attack took place in Nawan Kali area of the city.

According to initial reports, SP Investigation Muhammad Ilyas was going with his family when unknown gunmen attacked his vehicle.

SP Ilyas, his son, daughter-in-law and a grandson died on the spot while a two-year-old girl was critically wounded. She was rushed to a nearby hospital.

Security forces reached the scene, cordoned off the area and launched a probe into the terrorist attack. SAMAA

sickened just like the stories of Hazara massacres that happen routinely.
it doesnt help if agencies just raid some poor villages and round up the locals blaming it entirely on BLA.
it maybe BLA but there is always a chance that it is done by sectarian terrorists like LeJ who usually make their name by killing shias. the culprits can be ethnic terrorists, international terrorists , sectarian terrorists or foreign agents point is.. without proof agencies shouldnt just round up Baloch people it will be like assisting the people who want violence and unrest in the province.

rest in peace to the family victims are from 3 generations

 

[Areesh]

Army is getting killed since decades there everyday so what else should army do ?

That is the worst part. To get killed is no honor. To kill your enemy is the real honor. If Quetta police is getting a beating daily by losing first a DIG and then SP then clearly terrorists are winning and Quetta police is losing. There is no twist here.

 

[Well.wisher]

Army is getting killed since decades there everyday so what else should army do ?

Its the local FC force getting killed as they maintain the peace nd order in the city areas that are usually dangerous. Army has control over cantonment only and they only secure that area .

That is the worst part. To get killed is no honor. To kill your enemy is the real honor. If Quetta police is getting a beating daily by losing first a DIG and then SP then clearly terrorists are winning and Quetta police is losing. There is no twist here.

Its like a target killing of these officers, seeing them unarmed is the chance these terrorits search for.

 

[Areesh]

Areesh, I don't know what you are implying here and all I can say what LEAs are doing to which extent or even more than what people see in TV let alone the sacrifices. The war on terrorism inside cannot be won by ops alone but there is lacking of political will and its involvement to deal with it completely. Political situation in Baluchistan is worse like before but through the security aspect, it is better than before though, true that not 100% safe yet but as we are committed hence, doing what is necessary. The thing is, it is not about Baluchistan situation but try to see how many enemies we are dealing with at this front alone especially launched from Afghanistan with support of India however, there are unlimited groups available on rent for them.

The thing I am saying is that nobody care about Balochistan. And that includes army too. Let me explain it.

Balochistan is facing many different insurgencies. And all are encouraged by our own incompetency and lack of intent.

Quetta is getting hit by terrorists again and again. Sometimes it is police. Sometimes it is FC. Sometimes Hazara. But in past 10 months hardly 5-6 terrorists in all have been killed in LEA operations in Quetta. You can confirm it yourself by collecting data from year 2017 that how many terrorists have been eliminated in Quetta city. Clearly if terrorists are attacking again and again then it is nobrainer that they live in and around Quetta. Their killers like those who attacked SP Ilyas live in Quetta. Their facilitators who helped suicide bomber in attacking AIG Hamid Shakeel live in and around Quetta.

There have been attacks of all sorts in Quetta. Suicide bombings, target killings, sectarian killings. You name it. All have happened. But hardly but a few suspects no terrorist has been killed or arrested. There is no urgency like we saw in the case of Karachi.

One Chaudhry Aslam has killed more terrorists in Karachi than Quetta police can even kill in 10 years. Why? Because clearly we have no intelligence network or counter terror infrastructure in Balochistan. We simply don't care. FC is there. But it is also doing nothing. Compare performance of FC to that of Rangers in Karachi. You would get the answer. There are daily operations even now by Rangers in Karachi but Quetta where we see terror attack in every few days or weeks we see no real operation. No shootouts. No killings of terrorists. No nothing. We just wait for disasters to happen and in between keep patting ourselves on back for CPEC and our "success" in WOT.

KPK also borders Afghanistan. It also borders FATA. But it is very simple to understand that even without any real support from FC KPK police on its own has achieved a lot in its fight against terror. KPK police has killed terrorists. Busted terror networks. Same goes for CTD in Punjab. Same for CTD of Karachi. But in case of Balochistan. Our operations are mostly limited to diffusing bombs placed somewhere or capturing arms and explosives instead of killing terrorists behind planting those bombs or terrorists bringing in those explosives.

Take example of those 15 guys killed in Turbat. It is turbat again. Same turbat that is base camp of Dr Allah Nazar BLF. But what we have done in all this time. We have hardly killed 8-10 BLF terrorists in year 2017. No real action again to completely eliminate this group for good. No operations to bring an end to this monkey group that is limited to a district or two. They keep on attacking again and again here and there. And we keep blaming india and afghanistan calling it a conspiracy against CPEC. Pinning everything on and around CPEC has taken us away from analyzing situation in a realistic manner. Yes India is involved. Yes Afghanistan is also involved. But clearly we are not doing enough to counter challenges that we are facing in Balochistan.

And guess what!!

We wont be doing anything in future either since nobody in Pakistan cares about Balochistan or anything that is happening there. Mark my words. Thy guys involved in murder of those 15 guys in Turbat or killers of SP Ilyas. Well those guys and the groups they belong to don't have much to worry about.

Learn about Indian operation in IOK. Learn how daily they are going after militants. That might give you a good idea. Learning from enemy sometimes is not a bad thing after all.

Its like a target killing of these officers, seeing them unarmed is the chance these terrorits search for.

It is either you or them.

If you won't go after them then they would come after you. The game is simple. And clearly at least in case of Balochistan we are not going after them.

Mubashir Zaidi actively supports terrorists in balochistan and he is a journalist in Dawn Govt should also act against those jurnos who are supporting terrorists in Balochistan

Mubashir Zaidi is a nobody. We are not doing anything to eliminate real terrorists. Then what is point whining about a random journalist.

Army is training FC,

Bullocks...

And this is what CM Balochistan said just 2 days ago after death of Hamid Shakeel

https://twitter.com/x/status/930354310017413120

No wonder Balochistan is facing this situation today.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

May their Shehadet be accepted. After failing with army and para military, the proxy scums are now trying their luck with police!!! Now, Pak should revamp police into a COIN fighting mode!!! For example, after going through many such spates, Turkey could turn the tide by raising police special ops force like the military ones....

 

[Ace of Spades]

However, we lack full support by other countries that are part of war on terrorism as such as they are housing these culprits because only Pakistan is harmed.

These countries are on the side of BLA and India, they are playing their double game like always. I always say "Optics counts and reflect the policy of any government". BBC is a mouthpiece of British government. There is a trend in their posting regarding Pakistan. They fan anti Pakistan sentiments or promote anti Pakistan narrative. Which countries have these "asylum" granted terrorists? UK! Switzerland! etc...

Whether we like it or not; we are still modern colony of UK and they are treating us as such. We need to expel UK's ambassador ASAP and so of Switzerland. And for our intelligence agencies; either they need to resign and wear bangals or execute them in Europe.

We are on the same path as Kurd issue was may be half a decade ago. Turkish government didn't do much and now the issue is a giant due to this asylum giving policies of Europe to terrorists. Now it's getting difficult for them to control. Imagine if Pakistan would do the same and start giving asylum to declared terrorists of UK and their bed buddies; what would be their reaction. Sanctions? Operation warnings? Drone strikes? Pathetic is the word to describe our decision and policy makers.

Of course, how can i forget India. Yesterday there was a statement by Gen Zubair Hayat saying that India have spent 500 million usd to sabotage CPEC. Now i wonder how shall Pakistani public perceive it? If our officials know it; the question is what are they doing about it? They had dossiers against India for their involvement in terrorism in Pakistan. What have they done about that? Where are those dossiers? They should either work and cut the diamonds with diamonds or stop talking. Pathetic incompetency.

The thing I am saying is that nobody care about Balochistan. And that includes army too. Let me explain it.

Balochistan is facing many different insurgencies. And all are encouraged by our own incompetency and lack of intent.

Quetta is getting hit by terrorists again and again. Sometimes it is police. Sometimes it is FC. Sometimes Hazara. But in past 10 months hardly 5-6 terrorists in all have been killed in LEA operations in Quetta. You can confirm it yourself by collecting data from year 2017 that how many terrorists have been eliminated in Quetta city. Clearly if terrorists are attacking again and again then it is nobrainer that they live in and around Quetta. Their killers like those who attacked SP Ilyas live in Quetta. Their facilitators who helped suicide bomber in attacking AIG Hamid Shakeel live in and around Quetta.

There have been attacks of all sorts in Quetta. Suicide bombings, target killings, sectarian killings. You name it. All have happened. But hardly but a few suspects no terrorist has been killed or arrested. There is no urgency like we saw in the case of Karachi.

One Chaudhry Aslam has killed more terrorists in Karachi than Quetta police can even kill in 10 years. Why? Because clearly we have no intelligence network or counter terror infrastructure in Balochistan. We simply don't care. FC is there. But it is also doing nothing. Compare performance of FC to that of Rangers in Karachi. You would get the answer. There are daily operations even now by Rangers in Karachi but Quetta where we see terror attack in every few days or weeks we see no real operation. No shootouts. No killings of terrorists. No nothing. We just wait for disasters to happen and in between keep patting ourselves on back for CPEC and our "success" in WOT.

KPK also borders Afghanistan. It also borders FATA. But it is very simple to understand that even without any real support from FC KPK police on its own has achieved a lot in its fight against terror. KPK police has killed terrorists. Busted terror networks. Same goes for CTD in Punjab. Same for CTD of Karachi. But in case of Balochistan. Our operations are mostly limited to diffusing bombs placed somewhere or capturing arms and explosives instead of killing terrorists behind planting those bombs or terrorists bringing in those explosives.

Take example of those 15 guys killed in Turbat. It is turbat again. Same turbat that is base camp of Dr Allah Nazar BLF. But what we have done in all this time. We have hardly killed 8-10 BLF terrorists in year 2017. No real action again to completely eliminate this group for good. No operations to bring an end to this monkey group that is limited to a district or two. They keep on attacking again and again here and there. And we keep blaming india and afghanistan calling it a conspiracy against CPEC. Pinning everything on and around CPEC has taken us away from analyzing situation in a realistic manner. Yes India is involved. Yes Afghanistan is also involved. But clearly we are not doing enough to counter challenges that we are facing in Balochistan.

And guess what!!

We wont be doing anything in future either since nobody in Pakistan cares about Balochistan or anything that is happening there. Mark my words. Thy guys involved in murder of those 15 guys in Turbat or killers of SP Ilyas. Well those guys and the groups they belong to don't have much to worry about.

Learn about Indian operation in IOK. Learn how daily they are going after militants. That might give you a good idea. Learning from enemy sometimes is not a bad thing after all.



It is either you or them.

If you won't go after them then they would come after you. The game is simple. And clearly at least in case of Balochistan we are not going after them.



Mubashir Zaidi is a nobody. We are not doing anything to eliminate real terrorists. Then what is point whining about a random journalist.



Bullocks...

And this is what CM Balochistan said just 2 days ago after death of Hamid Shakeel

https://twitter.com/x/status/930354310017413120

No wonder Balochistan is facing this situation today.

You are right in your analysis but not about the cause of issue. It's not that they don't care; it's more of, they are incompetent. Bunch of scared middle aged crooks, ruling and making decisions; having their field day at offices playing cop and minister; and that's pretty much it. I agree with your analysis though, align this with your analysis and that's the sad story of Balochistan in particular and Pakistan in general.

 

[PATHAN786KING]

To be honest army fail in Balochistan

 

[Areesh]

You are right in your analysis but not about the cause of issue. It's not that they don't care; it's more of, they are incompetent. Bunch of scared middle aged crooks, ruling and making decisions; having their field day at offices playing cop and minister; and that's pretty much it. I agree with your analysis though, align this with your analysis and that's the sad story of Balochistan in particular and Pakistan in general.

True. It can be because of incompetency too. Balochistan is mostly run by bureaucrats who in most cases don't care much about these law and order issues. In fact the best in bureaucracy don't even go to Balochistan. They mostly go to Punjab and Sindh. Poor Balochistan and particularly its police get the worst in all the lot.

But that doesn't mean we haven't achieve much in war against terror. I live in Karachi. I know how TTP has been made to run for its life from this city. Just 3 years ago there was time when TTP had surrounded Karachi from three sides and was killings policemen and LEA again and again. They were running extortion rackets to collect money to fund their activities all over Pakistan. But with CTD and Rangers that network has been eliminated. Same in Punjab and even KPK.

but in case of Balochistan. There is not much action. All good talk about CPEC and Gwadar and all that. But no real action terrorists.

The whole terrorism in Balochistan is limited to 5 districts.

1. Quetta
2. Turbat
3. Mastung
4. Panjgur
5. Dera Bugti

90% terror incidents have happened in these 5 districts. But it is a shame that we aren't able to do anything real about terror network in these 5 districts.

 

[Falcon26]

A senior Police Official, SP Investigation namely Ilyas along with 3 family members gunned down in Quetta. On one side where Pakistan treats the family of a terrorist Allah Nazar with dignity, respect and with Baloch Tradition, the evil threatened Pakistan authorities few days back and then this attack. Even after this, we will not stoop to such low level of terrorists that targets families but we will not stop hunting them.

CJCSC recently disclosed about millions $ investment by R&AW and the same is showing the signs to be true. Terrorists hiding in different countries, shall be brought to justice and war on terrorism should not be selective for all the parties in world.

Seems like Pakistan has no idea what to do with the Baloch terror groups. The fact that they are hosted in Afghanistan and no word comes from the military and civilians is quite damning.

 

[Signalian]

Shame on Pakistani security forces an Bajwa.

These Army people seems to not get in their brains? They need to conduct operation just as they did in Waziristan. BLA terrorists are slaughtering Pakistanis and these people are wearing bangles.

They can only claim success in WOT while keeping themselves blind to the obvious fact that terrorism is very much alive in Balochistan.

I can challenge that despite all the terrorism, the lowest number of terrorists killed or arrested are lowest in Balochistan. More terrorists are killed in Karachi or Lahore than they are killed in whole of Balochistan.

And the reason is because we are not doing anything in Balochistan.

Its the local FC force getting killed as they maintain the peace nd order in the city areas that are usually dangerous. Army has control over cantonment only and they only secure that area .
Its like a target killing of these officers, seeing them unarmed is the chance these terrorits search for.

To be honest army fail in Balochistan

Since you people are quick to point fingers towards Army and that Civil Government is doing nothing, lets have a look.

The targeted officer belongs to the Police Force, the DIG who was targeted earlier also belonged to the Police. Lets see what Police has its disposal in Baluchistan.

Balochistan Police: 26,965
Balochistan Constabulary: 8,362
Balochistan Levies: 13,000

http://www.balochistanpolice.gov.pk/strength/TotalSstrength.php

Anti-terror training given to Police by Army by 48 FF and 6 AK Regiments of PA. Details are here:
http://www.balochistanpolice.gov.pk/att.php

You can see 41 Infantry Division Formation sign , whose premises have been used in Quetta and SSG have trained them.

https://www.facebook.com/

There is another Anti-terror force in the making, this time training to be given by already trained Police Personnel and will be numbered around 1000.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1366140/balochistan-to-establish-anti-terror-elite-force

Just like PA has its ISI, MI, CMI, FIU...which are all Intelligence units, the Police Force has its own Intelligence unit known as SPECIAL BRANCH. In Urdu we call them, "sufaid kapron wali police" or "Sada kapron wali police". Their job is same as any other intelligence unit and its operations. They monitor activities, mingle in public, keep a low profile, stand on VIP routes, lead police anti-terror ops which is based on intel given by themselves etc.

The killing of DIG and then an SP is a failure of Special Branch, not Pakistan Army's and not the Government. I have provided already the structure, strength and resources which are in place and at disposal. You can go in this link and click on "specialised equipment" to see even 35 APC's included.
http://www.balochistanpolice.gov.pk/logistic.php

Its the intelligence failure of Police's own Intelligence branch that has cost the life of two senior officials. One can imagine what can happen if PA loses two senior Army officials. PA would take action straightaway, ISI/MI would come in motion, arrests would be made and the guilty will be nabbed and precautionary measures will be taken that such situation doesnt arise again.

Pakistan Army doesnt have just Quetta Cantonment, another one is in Khuzdar, and then Army officers are deployed with FC wings throughout Baluchistan. So Army is not just hiding in cantonments, but they have taken many strict security measures to keep their personnel and families safe.

Why is the Police sitting tight even after losing a DIG and gave another chance to terrorists by losing a SP? Government has supported them with personnel and equipment. Army has supported them with training. Army Intelligence units also share Intelligence reports with Police and warn Police before hand of any imminent threat.

 

[Maxpane]

every one busy to get his share they dnt care about people both politicians and army

 

[The Eagle]

Seems like Pakistan has no idea what to do with the Baloch terror groups. The fact that they are hosted in Afghanistan and no word comes from the military and civilians is quite damning.

I don't think so it is what it seems. The matter has been discussed with the hosts in details. For reference, one can read about COAS visits to many countries very recently that includes Iran, Afghanistan and UAE as well as KSA. These visits must have discussed the subject among other issues.

sickened just like the stories of Hazara massacres that happen routinely.
it doesnt help if agencies just raid some poor villages and round up the locals blaming it entirely on BLA.
it maybe BLA but there is always a chance that it is done by sectarian terrorists like LeJ who usually make their name by killing shias. the culprits can be ethnic terrorists, international terrorists , sectarian terrorists or foreign agents point is.. without proof agencies shouldnt just round up Baloch people it will be like assisting the people who want violence and unrest in the province.

rest in peace to the family victims are from 3 generations

The form of terrorism could be in any label from sectarian to hostile agencies though, our agencies seems like alone and 1 V/s many that need local support which actually depends upon people believe in leaders as well. Military alone cannot visit areas and educate people but there is a gape that I see, between civil & military w.r.t. dealing in Baluchistan. Sir, don't you think that it can be more peaceful but once we are done with northern area Op and after securing the border as I fell, till then, the thing will be happening.

 

[Falcon26]

I don't think so it is what it seems. The matter has been discussed with the hosts in details. For reference, one can read about COAS visits to many countries very recently that includes Iran, Afghanistan and UAE as well as KSA. These visits must have discussed the subject among other issues.

I disagree with your assessment. Your country should be moving very aggressively and very deliberately against the Baloch terror groups. Much like the way Turkey moves against Kurdish outfits by putting sponsoring countries on serious notice and in some cases venturing into Syria/Iraq to dismantle their bases without any regard for international opinion.

What you have now is a full blown ethnic cleansing in which Pakistanis from certain provinces are killed in wholesale manner by terrorists that sit in Afghanistan and issue threats on social media, and there’s no statement from your government, military and media. Reminds me of your country’s treatment of the Taliban in the early years of 2005-2013. Decisive action needs to be taken before it’s too late.

 

[The Eagle]

These countries are on the side of BLA and India, they are playing their double game like always. I always say "Optics counts and reflect the policy of any government". BBC is a mouthpiece of British government. There is a trend in their posting regarding Pakistan. They fan anti Pakistan sentiments or promote anti Pakistan narrative. Which countries have these "asylum" granted terrorists? UK! Switzerland! etc...

Whether we like it or not; we are still modern colony of UK and they are treating us as such. We need to expel UK's ambassador ASAP and so of Switzerland. And for our intelligence agencies; either they need to resign and wear bangals or execute them in Europe.

We are on the same path as Kurd issue was may be half a decade ago. Turkish government didn't do much and now the issue is a giant due to this asylum giving policies of Europe to terrorists. Now it's getting difficult for them to control. Imagine if Pakistan would do the same and start giving asylum to declared terrorists of UK and their bed buddies; what would be their reaction. Sanctions? Operation warnings? Drone strikes? Pathetic is the word to describe our decision and policy makers.

Of course, how can i forget India. Yesterday there was a statement by Gen Zubair Hayat saying that India have spent 500 million usd to sabotage CPEC. Now i wonder how shall Pakistani public perceive it? If our officials know it; the question is what are they doing about it? They had dossiers against India for their involvement in terrorism in Pakistan. What have they done about that? Where are those dossiers? They should either work and cut the diamonds with diamonds or stop talking. Pathetic incompetency.

It is very easy to blame one party while ignoring the broader picture. You may look at stretched interests and rival's plan to stretch it more. In my opinion, as soon as we are done in Northern areas and completed border security, will see further progress in peace, Law & Order in Baluchistan. The rise in terrorism and attacks like these are actually based upon many factors that involves locals and deluded minds too that sometimes are sell out either for money or due to blind trust with fake religious preachers and even sectarian or ethnic hates. Until & unless local leadership is not present among people and does not speak as such, Military alone will be trying more than before to keep it peaceful but one cannot claim the same as 100% without Civilian support. We cannot put burden upon Military alone but there is also a part, not bigger but still it is, to be played from civilian side.

Understand different prospects as how rival take advantage of the moment from ethnic to sectarian, religious to greedy offer and then it is.

I disagree with your assessment. Your country should be moving very aggressively and very deliberately against the Baloch terror groups. Much like the way Turkey moves against Kurdish outfits by putting sponsoring countries on serious notice and in some cases venturing into Syria/Iraq to dismantle their bases without any regard for international opinion.

What you have now is a full blown ethnic cleansing in which Pakistanis from certain provinces are killed in wholesale manner by terrorists that sit in Afghanistan and issue threats on social media, and there’s no statement from your government, military and media. Reminds me of your country’s treatment of the Taliban in the early years of 2005-2013. Decisive action needs to be taken before it’s too late.

You have quoted a good example of Turkiye here but as to say, currently viewing the situation of country's leadership, one cannot expect such change in overnight as we are handful of many internal issues to deal with at first then we can step ahead as aggressive.

Speaking of aggressive stance against terrorists of any kind, to be honest with, it is all left to Military to deal with whereby active foreign office with aggressive diplomacy is missing in action at all. It is true that we actually lack propaganda machine at large as well and people are merely told yet misled to remain concern with Sharif Family Court Trials as well as Zardari's rant. Political office is totally a disaster at the moment that actually has to support this war and alone, it is not possible that exactly what Politicians are doing deliberately, I must say.