South Korea May Win Indonesian Submarines

[Tshering22]

From an ASEAN perspective, this is good development. Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam are the strongest countries in economy and military perspectives in the entire ASEAN group. I think the time for ASEAN in-fighting is over and a move should be made to make this a strategic alliance rather than just an economic dialogue forum. These 4 nations can lead the military wing of the association.

South Korea is also not pleased with CCP's antics. I think this is a good opportunity for ASEAN to strengthen relationship with Koreans and form a capable defense.

Korea?? Why not Turkey??

Let me ask you the converse: why Turkey? And since when has Turkey started making its own attack submarines completely?

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this thread is about the purpose of Indonesian Submarines, bro. and I think they will use those subs to counter Malaysia and Singapore.

Friend, I think it has more to do with the recent aggression by the Dragon in the South China Sea. Malaysia and Singapore have excellent relations with Indonesians today and a military confrontation is very far from reality today. Vietnam should be the building bridge of friendship and alliance in ASEAN as a strategic alliance. This is a golden chance.

 

[NiceGuy]

Friend, I think it has more to do with the recent aggression by the Dragon in the South China Sea. Malaysia and Singapore have excellent relations with Indonesians today and a military confrontation is very far from reality today. Vietnam should be the building bridge of friendship and alliance in ASEAN as a strategic alliance. This is a golden chance.

We're trying now, but Chinese -Singaporian seems very idiot , they may pro CHina -their mother land than support ASEAN nations like Phillipine-VietNam-Laos-Myanmar against CHina. If they backstab ASEAN, their will go to hell with Pol Pot .

 

[Quasar]

Turkey denies losing deal for Indonesian Navy submarines - Hurriyet Daily News


just a part of the article

"A team of Turkish and German companies and Turkey’s procurement office are also jointly seeking a contract to sell two HDW-class 209 diesel submarines to Indonesia worth about $1 billion. ’In addition, Germany’s Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft [HDW] is our full partner and is the builder of the HDW-class 209 submarines that Indonesia wants to buy. We don’t know how the South Koreans may overcome this license problem, because HDW is working with us,’’

 

[Zarvan]

South Korea May Win Indonesian Contract For Thee Submarines

South Korea’s Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co. Ltd (DSME) has confirmed that Indonesian Ministry of Defence would sign a agreement worth $1.1 billion for the construction and delivery of three 1,400-ton Chang Bogo class Type 209 diesel-electric attack submarines.

DSME’s Communication Director Jeong Seong-dae said has said, “We have launched talks to sign a submarine contract with Indonesia’s defence ministry and [Navy]” and “Both sides have long-discussed the sale of Korean-built submarines, and now we are in the final stage of fine-tuning detailed requirements and contract terms.”

South Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) has already sold 16 T-50 Golden Eagle fighter jet trainers at cost of $400 million to the Indonesian Air Force.

Chang Bogo class Type 209 will be produced by the Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering with help from the German Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW).

Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering has already refurbished Indonesian Type 209/1300 KRI Cakra submarine in 2004-05 and refurbishing of the KRI Nanggala submarine will be completed by July 2011.



Specifications

Displacement:
1,180 t surfaced
1,285 t submerged

Depth: 250m

Length: 55.9 m

Beam: 6.4 m

Draft: 5.9 m

Propulsion: 4 MTU Type 12V493 diesel engines with single Siemens electric motor

Speed: 11 knots surfaced and 21 knots when submerged

Range: 11,300 NM surfaced at 4 knots

Endurance: 50 days, Can Remain submerged for about two weeks

Crew: 33

Armament: 8 × 533 mm torpedo tubes

Indonesia has already enough War Ships good if it is going for Submarines but Indoesia should focus on developing its Air Force I am surprised they are going really slow at developing their Air Force without proper Air Force Navy would also be able to do nothing

 

[monitor]

Yea you are right but they need a large navy too to safeguard the vast sea area .

 

[Zarvan]

Yea you are right but they need a large navy too to safeguard the vast sea area .

But their Ships can be hit by most modern fighter planes of enemies and to stop them and to do counter Attack they need a strong Air Force which should have at least 400 4.5 Generation Fighter Planes with in next 5 to 8 years they should not wait for South Korea to develop the stealth plane and that too they plan to induct only 50 of them they should have 400 or above War Planes because that region sooner or later will turn into a new and brutal region because Most countries really hate each other and Indonesia without a strong Air Force will be a treat for any other country even Singapore can destroy the Indonesian Armed Forces in no time with their strong Air Force

 

[NiceGuy]

But their Ships can be hit by most modern fighter planes of enemies and to stop them and to do counter Attack they need a strong Air Force which should have at least 400 4.5 Generation Fighter Planes with in next 5 to 8 years they should not wait for South Korea to develop the stealth plane and that too they plan to induct only 50 of them they should have 400 or above War Planes because that region sooner or later will turn into a new and brutal region because Most countries really hate each other and Indonesia without a strong Air Force will be a treat for any other country even Singapore can destroy the Indonesian Armed Forces in no time with their strong Air Force

ASEAN is quite safe region, we don't have any threat except problem with China in SCS(east sea) now. Russia can sell S-300 if enemy's Air forces dare to hit Indonesia ships

 

[Zarvan]

ASEAN is quite safe region, we don't have any threat except problem with China in SCS(east sea) now. Russia can sell S-300 if enemy's Air forces dare to hit Indonesia ships

Sir no Region is safe in Today's World and many countries of this region have old history of wars with each other and they are slowly again moving towards that China and Japan tension are growing Vietnam and China also having dispute now South Korea and North Korea are also having great amount of tensions so no body can say anything about the future of this region so Indonesia should have a really strong Air Force with such huge Navy and Army it is joke that you don't have the Air Force to back them and also protect your Sky and interests in Air

 

[NiceGuy]

Sir no Region is safe in Today's World and many countries of this region have old history of wars with each other and they are slowly again moving towards that China and Japan tension are growing Vietnam and China also having dispute now South Korea and North Korea are also having great amount of tensions so no body can say anything about the future of this region so Indonesia should have a really strong Air Force with such huge Navy and Army it is joke that you don't have the Air Force to back them and also protect your Sky and interests in Air

We know how to shoot down even F-117 stealth fighter . See what happend to F-117 in Kosovo war , they got shot down even Yugoslavia didn't have any S-300.

VietNam shot down many US fighter already, so, it will be very stupid for NATO-US air forces to attack ASEAN region bcz we will help our brothers

btw: just like Phillipine, Indonesia seem not so rich to build a strong and mordern air forces.Even Thailand air-forces is quite bad too

 

[Zarvan]

We know how to shoot down even F-117 stealth fighter . See what happend to F-117 in Kosovo war , they got shot down even Yugoslavia didn't have any S-300.

VietNam shot down many US fighter already, so, it will be very stupid for NATO-US air forces to attack ASEAN region bcz we will help our brothers

btw: just like Phillipine, Indonesia seem not so rich to build a strong and mordern air forces.Even Thailand air-forces is quite bad too

Sir modern stealth planes are really different now and IF China decides to fully attack you can only win through Gurilla Warfare just like you won against and as far as Indonesia is concerned it need Air Force for any country Air to Air Missiles are not enough they are only used to help Air Force and with No or Almost no Air Force these Missiles will be of No use

 

[NiceGuy]

Sir modern stealth planes are really different now and IF China decides to fully attack you can only win through Gurilla Warfare just like you won against and as far as Indonesia is concerned it need Air Force for any country Air to Air Missiles are not enough they are only used to help Air Force and with No or Almost no Air Force these Missiles will be of No use

You think we only know Guerilla Warfare ??Oh, you'd better ask CHinese and American if we're Master of counter-Mordern wafare or not .

We didn't learn "Star war" from USSR only .

 

[Anonymous user]

DO I need to remind you that: Indonesia did Nothing against VN during VN-Thai conflict ??

Welcome to ASEAN politics 101, all neighbors in the region are generally selfish, the fact that you keep saying otherwise shows how little you know about politics in the region

It's your fault, do CHina share border with Singapore ?why 90% is Chinese in your coutry ??it means CHinese Rob ASEAN land , maybe one day ASEAN people have to Take Back the lost land .

What lost land, what are you talking about? Singapore was given its independence by Malaysia in case you do not know history. Who is the ASEAN people? We're a multicultural society you dip.

Who have More weapon of mass destruction will

Lemme guess your "nuclear weapons" yawn

That why, we don't like you , we want to destroy you, maybe after US withdrawal will be perfect time for us

Actually I used to sympathize the unfortunate people caught in such a situation, in fact I would gladly donate some cash if it helped. But I must admit after my thinking has changed a lot since seeing some comments from country folk, thanks keeping up the good work.

 

[Anonymous user]

We're trying now, but Chinese -Singaporian seems very idiot , they may pro CHina -their mother land than support ASEAN nations like Phillipine-VietNam-Laos-Myanmar against CHina. If they backstab ASEAN, their will go to hell with Pol Pot .

Again your wrong but your views are all pretty racist so no suprise, I have nothing against ASEAN for ASEAN but of course you guys keep coming to proclaim control over ASEAN mainly harping the two same reasons 1. US pulling out of ASEAN 2. Your "nuclear arsenal" and that's what irritates me.

Like I said its good going for Indonesia and their submarine purchase and I support it, In fact you even condemned Malaysia with Singapore because we are both friendly countries. Anyone that doesn't support your views you condemn and proclaimed superiority with the same BS reasons above.

In fact I started replying to you hoping to reason but you keep spouting the same BS with no supporting links. God himself can't save you lol. Go on dreaming while the rest of ASEAN progresses LOL

 

[NiceGuy]

Again your wrong but your views are all pretty racist so no suprise, I have nothing against ASEAN for ASEAN but of course you guys keep coming to proclaim control over ASEAN mainly harping the two same reasons 1. US pulling out of ASEAN 2. Your "nuclear arsenal" and that's what irritates me.

Like I said its good going for Indonesia and their submarine purchase and I support it, In fact you even condemned Malaysia with Singapore because we are both friendly countries. Anyone that doesn't support your views you condemn and proclaimed superiority with the same BS reasons above.

In fact I started replying to you hoping to reason but you keep spouting the same BS with no supporting links. God himself can't save you lol. Go on dreaming while the rest of ASEAN progresses LOL

We're Neighbours bro, we have lots of time to wait until we got a good deal with US , we need to buy more US-NATO weapon now such as SIGMA from Netherland , AEW&C from Israel etc...^^

1. Your country is Racist to VNese first, you allows CHina-Malaysia-Indonesia-Phil workers come to work in Singapore, but you refuse VN workers .

2. It's too hard for VietNam-Phil-Laos-Myanmar to fight against CHina or any threat in the future bcz we're poor and weak , and of course if we're defeated, China will invade SIngapore-Malaysia-Indonesia too , so ASEAN must unite and protect together. If you refuse to unite with us, you will make lots of ASEAN nation feel unhappy , you will be ASEAN's enemy , and don't blame any one if somthing bad happen to your country

What lost land, what are you talking about? Singapore was given its independence by Malaysia in case you do not know history. Who is the ASEAN people? We're a multicultural society you dip.

So Malaysia can change her mind and want to take back Singapore , bro

Nothing is absolutely certain

 

[Anonymous user]

We're Neighbours bro, we have lots of time to wait until we got a good deal with US , we need to buy more US-NATO weapon now such as SIGMA from Netherland , AEW&C from Israel etc...^^

Wow you must have deep pockets I guess lol

1. Your country is Racist to VNese first, you allows CHina-Malaysia-Indonesia-Phil workers come to work in Singapore, but you refuse VN workers .

I am only aware of the Vietnamese sex workers that got sent back, do you have some news other then this?

Police Arrested 144 Prostitutes & Gangsters In Singapore Biggest Vice Raid So Far

2. It's too hard for VietNam-Phil-Laos-Myanmar to fight against CHina or any threat in the future bcz we're poor and weak , and of course if we're defeated, China will invade SIngapore-Malaysia-Indonesia too , so ASEAN must unite and protect together. If you refuse to unite with us, you will make lots of ASEAN nation feel unhappy , you will be ASEAN's enemy , and don't blame any one if somthing bad happen to your country

Who do you thinks champions ASEAN in the first place, it was Malaysia Singapore and Indonesia. Talk about unity

So Malaysia can change her mind and want to take back Singapore , bro

Nothing is absolutely certain

Actually I don't have any issues with that, we have many similar ties and family relations with Malaysia. Nothing is uncertain and who knows Vietnam might become part of China too lol