South China Sea Forum

[mastaan]

As a spectator you will never get painful. so say whatever you want.
btw, US is on other side of the Earth, what it lost is only some scrap metal and some solders which is nothing , but vietnam lost so many civilian and development of half a centery .even US lost 10 times more, vietnam still can't affort the game.

Viets did not lose the war and US had to withdraw. You honeycoat it anyway, that is the fact. So, with that 'some scrap' metal, US did lose some respect and stature. What US did and did not achieve in the world is for the world to see.

Viets lost half a century, but they kept their independence to themselves. Not sure if you will understand that concept to appreciate it. Else, by going to your logic, even Chinese or for that matter Indians should have just rolled over and let Japanese and British respectively stay in their territories out of fear of going back half a century.

Like I said, being powerful is a nice thing, but getting grandeurish delusions is another thing... No growing economy can afford a war. It is as simple as that. But, the real question is why is there this sudden spurt in new found aggression towards thy neighbors? I just don't get that part.

But, don't understand what is the point of explaining that to you. Stay happy with your multi trillion dollar economy story and the belief that you could get your will accepted by others just because you have few bombs and what not! The real world fortunately doesn't work that way, irrespective of whether you accept it or not.

 

[djsjs]

Viets did not lose the war and US had to withdraw. You honeycoat it anyway, that is the fact. So, with that 'some scrap' metal, US did lose some respect and stature. What US did and did not achieve in the world is for the world to see.

Viets lost half a century, but they kept their independence to themselves. Not sure if you will understand that concept to appreciate it. Else, by going to your logic, even Chinese or for that matter Indians should have just rolled over and let Japanese and British respectively stay in their territories out of fear of going back half a century.

the war US vs. vietnam is about live or die, it was in mainland vietnam, so no choice, they had to fight.

things are absolutely different between vietnam and china, it is only about money. they don't have to lose life for some islands that don't belong to them(nothing serious even belong to them).as we china don't care if some wars in future,if they don't either,go on the game . If the casualties are the same, vietnam extinct while we lose a province,and god knows if vietnam will be so lucky.i just give my adivce.
i know my words are a bit domineering, but that's the fact, face it . nothing in the world is fair, if china was not weak during the past 200 years ,their would not be such islands dusputes, we have to face it ,too.

 

[Rechoice]

the war US vs. vietnam is about live or die, it was in mainland vietnam, so no choice, they had to fight.

things are absolutely different between vietnam and china, it is only about money. they don't have to lose life for some islands that don't belong to them(nothing serious even belong to them).as we china don't care if some wars in future,if they don't either,go on the game . If the casualties are the same, vietnam extinct while we lose a province,and god knows if vietnam will be so lucky.i just give my adivce.
i know my words are a bit domineering, but that's the fact, face it . nothing in the world is fair, if china was not weak during the past 200 years ,their would not be such islands dusputes, we have to face it ,too.

was china weak in 200 years in compassion with his neighbors ? No. In the past Cantonese Governor recognized that: "Paracel not belong to China, then china don't have responsibility about incidents in the area". It is truth, China face with truth that Islands and SCS not belong to China.

 

[Viet]

saliva battle can not help you, is it hard to understand?

I understand you well. We have enough deterrence to discourage any venture from China.

 

[Malaya]

China formally rejects UN arbitration on West Philippine Sea issue
February 19, 2013

China has officially rejected the Philippines' move to elevate the long-running territorial dispute over the South China Sea before a U.N. arbitration tribunal.

In a statement, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said it received Tuesday afternoon from Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Ma Keqing a Note Verbale stating that China is rejecting and returning the Philippines’ Notification and Statement of Claim.

In its Note Verbale, China reiterated its often stated position that it has indisputable sovereignty over the entire South China Sea encompassed by its nine-dash line claim, which covers nearly the entirety of the sea, including areas that are well within Philippine territory and several disputed islands.

Despite this setback, the Philippines “remains committed to Arbitration which is a friendly, peaceful and durable form of dispute settlement that should be welcomed by all,” the DFA said in the statement.

According to Chinese state news Xinhua, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei, at a briefing in Beijing, said the Philippines’ note and statement of notification and claim have “serious mistakes both in facts and law.”

Although widely expected, China’s move was still a blow to Philippine government's efforts to take a legal track in confronting China on overlapping claims in the resource-rich waters, called West Philippine Sea by Manila, which have long been a source of diplomatic and maritime tensions.

Philippine officials have said that the arbitration process would proceed even if China would decide to ignore it but Chinese experts have asserted otherwise.

The tribunal, which would operate under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, would decide whether the arbitration case could be heard even in the absence of China.

Manila initiated an arbitration process under the UNCLOS on January 21 to try to declare as “illegal” China’s expansive claim to the South China Sea. — Michaela del Callar/KBK, GMA News

China formally rejects UN arbitration on West Philippine Sea issue | News | GMA News Online



China rejects Philippine effort at UN mediation over South China Sea territorial dispute


BEIJING – China says it has rejected the Philippines' attempt to seek international arbitration over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Tuesday that China's ambassador to Manila, Ma Keqing, had returned Manila's formal notification of the move to a Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs official. Hong said the proposal was historically and legally incorrect and contained unacceptable accusations against China.
The Philippines informed China last month of its plans to take the countries' conflicting claims to a tribunal operating under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. It wants the panel to declare Beijing's moves in the potentially oil-rich waters unlawful.
Six governments have overlapping claims in the South China Sea. China claims sovereignty over virtually all of it.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/0...mediation-over-south-china-sea/#ixzz2LLXti87v

 

[Zero_wing]

So you troll have made up your mind, any plans when and where to start a war?
Have you noticed? Philippines is mocking you a bit by calling a international court.

Well this rejection of a peaceful settlement is proves that their claims are made up well why risk being proven wrong and lying at the same time while you can use military force.

Other moral victory for us

how many time should i tell you??? stories cann't save your life.

And we all told you acting like an arrogant jerk will not get you anything

 

[hoangsa]

China rejects Philippine effort at UN mediation over South China Sea territorial dispute

What a shame ! big country, big mouth, big muscle but small heart is proved again. Come on, China! If you are so sure, just bring the issue out, don't be peace just on your mouth, violent in fact .

Be a gentleman, please act like real number 2 nation of the world

 

[Zero_wing]

China rejects Philippine effort at UN mediation over South China Sea territorial dispute

What a shame ! big country, big mouth, big muscle but small heart is proved again. Come on, China! If you are so sure, just bring the issue out, don't be peace just on your mouth, violent in fact .

Be a gentleman, please act like real number 2 nation of the world

Well folks that's a burn about a burn that's a second degree burn

 

[Rechoice]

China don't have right on East Sea of Vietnam and West Philippine Sea, nine dash map is hilarious.
China says it has rejected the Philippines' attempt to seek international arbitration over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea. It showed a true face of China.

 

[auspice]

China formally rejects UN arbitration on West Philippine Sea issue
February 19, 2013

China has officially rejected the Philippines' move to elevate the long-running territorial dispute over the South China Sea before a U.N. arbitration tribunal.

In a statement, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said it received Tuesday afternoon from Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Ma Keqing a Note Verbale stating that China is rejecting and returning the Philippines’ Notification and Statement of Claim.

In its Note Verbale, China reiterated its often stated position that it has indisputable sovereignty over the entire South China Sea encompassed by its nine-dash line claim, which covers nearly the entirety of the sea, including areas that are well within Philippine territory and several disputed islands.

Despite this setback, the Philippines “remains committed to Arbitration which is a friendly, peaceful and durable form of dispute settlement that should be welcomed by all,” the DFA said in the statement.

According to Chinese state news Xinhua, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei, at a briefing in Beijing, said the Philippines’ note and statement of notification and claim have “serious mistakes both in facts and law.”

Although widely expected, China’s move was still a blow to Philippine government's efforts to take a legal track in confronting China on overlapping claims in the resource-rich waters, called West Philippine Sea by Manila, which have long been a source of diplomatic and maritime tensions.

Philippine officials have said that the arbitration process would proceed even if China would decide to ignore it but Chinese experts have asserted otherwise.

The tribunal, which would operate under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, would decide whether the arbitration case could be heard even in the absence of China.

Manila initiated an arbitration process under the UNCLOS on January 21 to try to declare as “illegal” China’s expansive claim to the South China Sea. — Michaela del Callar/KBK, GMA News

China formally rejects UN arbitration on West Philippine Sea issue | News | GMA News Online



China rejects Philippine effort at UN mediation over South China Sea territorial dispute


BEIJING – China says it has rejected the Philippines' attempt to seek international arbitration over conflicting claims to territory in the South China Sea.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Tuesday that China's ambassador to Manila, Ma Keqing, had returned Manila's formal notification of the move to a Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs official. Hong said the proposal was historically and legally incorrect and contained unacceptable accusations against China.
The Philippines informed China last month of its plans to take the countries' conflicting claims to a tribunal operating under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. It wants the panel to declare Beijing's moves in the potentially oil-rich waters unlawful.
Six governments have overlapping claims in the South China Sea. China claims sovereignty over virtually all of it.


Read more: China rejects Philippine effort at UN mediation over South China Sea territorial dispute | Fox News

Well as expected and it's proven Chinese are just good in reinventing their history that’s why they are avoiding arbitration.

Filipinos and Vietnamese cannot trust these people, they never live to their commitments, and in short they stab your back while you’re at sleep. If you give them a bite, they will eat you up bit by bit until nothing is left.

Anyway the Philippines has all the international laws on her side. Unlike that hooligan shameless thief.

 

[zxmint]

It just dose not make any sense to quarrel at this issue here. You cannot get more supporters, anti-China guys would still be anti-China guys, friends are still friends, audiences are still audiences. I do not know if some guys are really laughing at China that it dares not to make a tougher move? Where does your confidence come from??? I dont like wars, cuz it will cause your country full of casualties, that is terrible. Face to the fact, China is just too close to you geographically. You can never get rid of this unless you ruin yourself.

 

[zxmint]

China rejects Philippine effort at UN mediation over South China Sea territorial dispute

What a shame ! big country, big mouth, big muscle but small heart is proved again. Come on, China! If you are so sure, just bring the issue out, don't be peace just on your mouth, violent in fact .

Be a gentleman, please act like real number 2 nation of the world

Are there any Vietnamese get killed by Chinese out there? I could understand your feelings, it is always hard to give up any territory under your control, no matter whether they are originally belong to you. Just like US will never give Texas back to Mexico, unless there is one day that Mexico become a stronger power that US has no choice but send it back.

But dont be that shortsighted. Honestly, I think Vietnam is the most promising country in Southeast Asia because you also believe in Confucious and you are always following our steps. You have a relatively better industry system also. It is foolish to be against with a such a giant and powerful neighbor. A wiser choice is to take advantage of it.

 

[Rechoice]

Are there any Vietnamese get killed by Chinese out there? I could understand your feelings, it is always hard to give up any territory under your control, no matter whether they are originally belong to you. Just like US will never give Texas back to Mexico, unless there is one day that Mexico become a stronger power that US has no choice but send it back.

But dont be that shortsighted. Honestly, I think Vietnam is the most promising country in Southeast Asia because you also believe in Confucious and you are always following our steps. You have a relatively better industry system also. It is foolish to be against with a such a giant and powerful neighbor. A wiser choice is to take advantage of it.

Mexico to USA is similiar as Tibetant, Uijgur and Manchuria to China.

We do our best to protect country's sovereignity only.

 

[Vitchilo]

Mexico to USA is similiar as Tibetant, Uijgur and Manchuria to China.

What are you smoking? Americans don't want to invade and annex Mexico.

 

[Malaya]

Japan supports PH's move to resolve sea row with China before U.N. tribunal

MANILA, Philippines - Japan has thrown its support behind the Philippines' move to resolve its dispute with China over territiories in the West Philippine Sea through the United Nations arbitration tribunal, according to the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA).

The DFA on Friday said Japan had expressed its support through a delegation that went to the Philippines to discuss maritime cooperation between the two countries that would help boost Manila's capability in protectiing its territories.

“Both sides shared the recognition that the issues in the South China Sea is a matter of great interests for the whole international community being directly related to regional peace and stability, and the the issue should be settled peacefully in accordance with the relevant international laws such as the Unclos,” Japan and the Philippines' joint statement said.

The Philippine delegation is headed by Gilberto Asuque, DFA assistant secretary, as chairperson and Henry Bensurto, DFA special assistant, as co-chair.

The Japanese delegation is led by Kenji Kanasugi, deputy director-general for Southwest and Southeast Asian Affairs of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The DFA said that during a closed-door meeting, Japan's representatives said the country had expressed its intention to continue supporting the Philippine Coast Guard's capacity-building.

It was earlier reported that Japan would grant the Philippines a $10-million soft loan for the purchase of 10 brand new multi-role response vessels that would be deployed to the West Philippine Sea.

Japan and the Philippines' joint statement, however, did not mention if the loan was discussed during the dialogue.

It said the delegations from the two countries exchanged views on programs and actions "to promote cooperation in the maritime field, particularly in maritime security, freedom of navigation and safety at sea."

"They also exchanged views on regional maritime issues and shared the best practices in efforts to combat piracy, especially on the maritime law enforcement capabilities of countries near piracy-prone areas," the statement added.

Regarding the issues on piracy and armed robbery in Asian countries and Somalia, the two countries agreed to further strengthen their efforts in addressing the said problems through the utilization of the Regional Cooperation Agreement on Combating Piracy and Armed Robbery against Ships in Asia and other frameworks.

Japan will also assist the Philippines in helping other countries near piracy-prone areas enforce maritime laws, the Japanese Embassy in Manila said.

Japan also has its own territorial dispute with China over islands in the East China Sea, which Japan calls Senkakus but referred to as Diaoyus by China.

Japan supports PH's move to resolve sea row with China before U.N. tribunal - InterAksyon.com