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Now .. we know who are the winner and lossers ...:lol:
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'Game over' for PHL if China finishes building in Scarborough –Justice Carpio

Only the local mainstream media are keeping Carpio's warmongering alive on the national consciousness of the Philippines, together with Rep. Alejano, who's a former failed military mutineer himself during the time of former Pres. Arroyo (coincidentally her administration had a good rapport with China too). Both men are an avid critics of Duterte's current foreign policy towards China.

Anyways, this purported Aquino government victory handed by the PCA in the Neitherland over China was already totally debunked by no less than by a former Philippines diplomat, Adolfo Q. Paglinawan, former Press Attache of the Philippine Embassy in Washington DC, as nothing but cover-up of the Aquino monumental blunder in the SCS.

The Ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration was “ill-founded” indeed!

This well crafted, scholarly criticism never quite took off in the circulation for obvious reason, in the Philippine mainstream media are now vilified as the yellow press of the Aquino's political party.

Here's some excerpt from the article:

"...China questioned why the case filing was done with the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague, when any and all discussions will necessarily involve sovereignty issues. It has categorically asserted that the PCA cannot have any jurisdiction over matters of sovereignty.

It is not a body under the United Nations. It is a private arbitral venue. The nearest it is associated with the United Nations is that its facilities are housed in the same building as the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, and it enjoys an observer status in the UN General Assembly.

Failing in the three foregoing essential elements of arbitration, and showing China’s incapacity to participate, the rest are therefore moot and academic.

1.4 They must agree to submit themselves to this third party’s decision.
1.5. They must agree to jointly implement such a decision, or award.
1.6 They must agree to defray all expenses incurred for the services of the arbitration, including the honoraria of the jurors.


In view of this, pray tell me, how can the PCA ruling be bona fide?
Anything that is not bona fide, is ipso facto, ill-founded.
Contradicting its very definition, how can an arbitration occur with only one party, the petitioner, involved?
Can any debate, from which a wise and legally binding ruling is to be based, occur with only one party involved?

Not only is it unilateral but a dangerous precedent to con China, or any country for that matter into a rule-based corner without due process, forced to compliance under lawless circumstances by an arbiter who made its decisions alone on the basis of what one party had submitted.

Not only does it present a dangerous precedent, but a monumental swindle. Isn’t this what China eventually asserted – that the arbitral ruling was a big gyp because when only the Philippines footed the bill of expenses, in effect the Philippines bought the award?

Worst of all, while the Philippines was busy “buying” an ill-founded arbitral decision by engaging in flawed procedures, China was equally busy altering the facts on the ground occupying, reclaiming and building structures on artificial islands.

Now, here comes the part where it is not palatable to Philppines yellow media:

The talking point is etched in the statements promuslgated by Albert del Rosario and his talking heads Associate Justice Antonio Carpio, multiple-losing congressional candidate Roilo Golez, Philippine Star columnists Jarius Bondoc and Alfredo Pascual, former solicitor-general Florin Hilbay, and the desks of The Philippines Daily Inquirer, ABS-CBN and Rappler, and for sometime in the writings of Richard Heydarian and Jay Batongbacal in the academe.

Given all these facts, don’t they point to conclude that BS Aquino III proxied for the United States in building a case against China not just to shame China before the world but paint it as a rogue state? Didn’t the Philippines find itself validating his signature to the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement with the United States?

These questions are relevant in evaluating how the BS Aquino administration, under the tutelage of Albert del Rosario, a suspected American cditizen, based its determination of our national interest in the posturing that he allowed in our relations with China, in active disconnection with any bilateral talks.

Didn’t the former president allow himself to be used, in preparation for the American pivot scheduled for completion in 2020 involving the rebalancing of its military presence to the Asia-Pacific?

The vehicle used in our previous posturing against China is a novelty in international relations. It is called lawfare, as distinguished from warfare, or its mild equivalent, low-intensity conflict.

This play becomes even more curious now that Ambassador Rigoberto Tiglao, now a Manila Times columnist, has claimed that the Aquino administration only proceeded with the filing of the PCA award to cover up the loss of Scarborough Shoal as a territory of the Philippines.
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China’s South Sea Fleet Gets Its Own Marine Rescue Squadron

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ASIA & PACIFIC
03:24 22.10.2017

China’s South Sea Fleet has set up its first marine salvage and rescue squadron aimed to improve the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy’s fighting capabilities as the service seeks to beef up its presence in the region’s disputed waters.

According to the PLA website, a submarine rescue unit was established as part of China's recent round of military reform to support a broader range of operations in the country's navy, step up the service's combat readiness, and deploy more submarines to the hotly-contested region.

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Xi Jinping Declares Era of 'National Rejuvenation' in China

Previously, the North China Sea Fleet's unit, established in 2011 and designed to effectively respond to submarine-related emergencies by deploying rescue ships, life-saving equipment and divers, was the only one of its kind. A similar unit in the South China Sea, where China's most advanced nuclear submarines are deployed, has become necessary with the expansion of the PLA Navy's mission area.

"The army has to be prepared for battle," Ke Hehai, the political commissar of the unit, was quoted as saying by the PLA Daily on Thursday.

Ni Lexiong, a Shanghai-based military affairs commentator, suggested that it was almost impossible for just one rescue team to provide a prompt and efficient response.

"It is a sign that the fleet is getting itself more ready for battle," Ni said. "Rescue squadrons are crucial in war."

The South Sea Fleet plays a key role in asserting China's territorial claim over the disputed waters, where many Southeast Asian nations also claim sovereignty.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201710221058440309-china-south-sea-fleet-rescue-unit/
 
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Only the local mainstream media are keeping Carpio's warmongering alive on the national consciousness of the Philippines, together with Rep. Alejano, who's a former failed military mutineer himself during the time of former Pres. Arroyo (coincidentally her administration had a good rapport with China too). Both men are an avid critics of Duterte's current foreign policy towards China.

Anyways, this purported Aquino government victory handed by the PCA in the Neitherland over China was already totally debunked by no less than by a former Philippines diplomat, Adolfo Q. Paglinawan, former Press Attache of the Philippine Embassy in Washington DC, as nothing but cover-up of the Aquino monumental blunder in the SCS.

The Ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration was “ill-founded” indeed!

This well crafted, scholarly criticism never quite took off in the circulation for obvious reason, in the Philippine mainstream media are now vilified as the yellow press of the Aquino's political party.

Here's some excerpt from the article:

"...China questioned why the case filing was done with the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague, when any and all discussions will necessarily involve sovereignty issues. It has categorically asserted that the PCA cannot have any jurisdiction over matters of sovereignty.

It is not a body under the United Nations. It is a private arbitral venue. The nearest it is associated with the United Nations is that its facilities are housed in the same building as the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, and it enjoys an observer status in the UN General Assembly.

Failing in the three foregoing essential elements of arbitration, and showing China’s incapacity to participate, the rest are therefore moot and academic.

1.4 They must agree to submit themselves to this third party’s decision.
1.5. They must agree to jointly implement such a decision, or award.
1.6 They must agree to defray all expenses incurred for the services of the arbitration, including the honoraria of the jurors.


In view of this, pray tell me, how can the PCA ruling be bona fide?
Anything that is not bona fide, is ipso facto, ill-founded.
Contradicting its very definition, how can an arbitration occur with only one party, the petitioner, involved?
Can any debate, from which a wise and legally binding ruling is to be based, occur with only one party involved?

Not only is it unilateral but a dangerous precedent to con China, or any country for that matter into a rule-based corner without due process, forced to compliance under lawless circumstances by an arbiter who made its decisions alone on the basis of what one party had submitted.

Not only does it present a dangerous precedent, but a monumental swindle. Isn’t this what China eventually asserted – that the arbitral ruling was a big gyp because when only the Philippines footed the bill of expenses, in effect the Philippines bought the award?

Worst of all, while the Philippines was busy “buying” an ill-founded arbitral decision by engaging in flawed procedures, China was equally busy altering the facts on the ground occupying, reclaiming and building structures on artificial islands.

Now, here comes the part where it is not palatable to Philppines yellow media:

The talking point is etched in the statements promuslgated by Albert del Rosario and his talking heads Associate Justice Antonio Carpio, multiple-losing congressional candidate Roilo Golez, Philippine Star columnists Jarius Bondoc and Alfredo Pascual, former solicitor-general Florin Hilbay, and the desks of The Philippines Daily Inquirer, ABS-CBN and Rappler, and for sometime in the writings of Richard Heydarian and Jay Batongbacal in the academe.

Given all these facts, don’t they point to conclude that BS Aquino III proxied for the United States in building a case against China not just to shame China before the world but paint it as a rogue state? Didn’t the Philippines find itself validating his signature to the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement with the United States?

These questions are relevant in evaluating how the BS Aquino administration, under the tutelage of Albert del Rosario, a suspected American cditizen, based its determination of our national interest in the posturing that he allowed in our relations with China, in active disconnection with any bilateral talks.

Didn’t the former president allow himself to be used, in preparation for the American pivot scheduled for completion in 2020 involving the rebalancing of its military presence to the Asia-Pacific?

The vehicle used in our previous posturing against China is a novelty in international relations. It is called lawfare, as distinguished from warfare, or its mild equivalent, low-intensity conflict.

This play becomes even more curious now that Ambassador Rigoberto Tiglao, now a Manila Times columnist, has claimed that the Aquino administration only proceeded with the filing of the PCA award to cover up the loss of Scarborough Shoal as a territory of the Philippines.
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The related article:

The Ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration was “ill-founded” indeed! – The Independent Asian Review

By Adolfo Q. Paglinawan, August 17, 2017
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https://independentreviewblog.wordp...-court-of-arbitration-was-ill-founded-indeed/

 
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The Triangle of Defence in the middle of the
South China Sea


Below rough map gives a good clue why the South China Sea is so strategic for China, serving as its very first line of defence in safeguarding the mainland of China, incl. the Yulin Naval Base in Hainan Island. I am a bit surprised when I pay close attention at the islands forming the triangular shape in the middle of the sea, propped by Yongxing Island as the center of support, it puts in place a respectable defence, even robust, at minimum as the front line protectors.

China's Triangle of Defence in the South China Sea - SAMSARA @PDF Nov 2017 (WM).jpg


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Thucydides Trap - Brett Wessley, who is an officer in the U.S. Navy, currently assigned to U.S. Pacific Command, interviewed the famous American author, Professor Graham Allison:

I was going to ask you about the case of the South China Sea, because you have to watch it every day. I was in Beijing two weeks ago with a lot of people talking about Thucydides’s Trap, and some people—Chinese—believe the contest in the South China Sea is basically over...and that they won. Now, has anyone said that at U.S. Pacific Command? Would they be considered nuts, or is that at least a plausible idea?

I think that would be news to us, but I’m interested in hearing why the Chinese think it’s over.

There was an Australian there, a former Australian foreign minister, and he said he thought it was over too. He basically said the Chinese have achieved their objective: all the governments in the region now ask first what will China do, and look first to China rather than the U.S. over the contest in the area. I said, “Geez, I didn’t think that was the prevailing American view,” and he said Americans are often slow to wake up. So, I just started looking at it again. If you think of the economic balance of power between China and the U.S. as a seesaw, and that's why I have that graphic in my book, that basically shows the seesaw is tilting and our feet are now lifting off the ground. That is the reality. That reality is even more extreme in the case of relations between China and every one of its Asian neighbors. So China is important to every Asian neighbor as the market and the source of investments, as the party that can squeeze them if it decides to squeeze them. Whether it's the Philippines—or now even Singapore—feeling this, it is a fact of life for them every day.


https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/10/30/reviewing-destined-for-war-an-interview-with-graham-allison

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There was an Australian there, a former Australian foreign minister, and he said he thought it was over too. He basically said the Chinese have achieved their objective: all the governments in the region now ask first what will China do, and look first to China rather than the U.S. over the contest in the area. I said, “Geez, I didn’t think that was the prevailing American view,” and he said Americans are often slow to wake up. So, I just started looking at it again. If you think of the economic balance of power between China and the U.S. as a seesaw, and that's why I have that graphic in my book, that basically shows the seesaw is tilting and our feet are now lifting off the ground. That is the reality. That reality is even more extreme in the case of relations between China and every one of its Asian neighbors. So China is important to every Asian neighbor as the market and the source of investments, as the party that can squeeze them if it decides to squeeze them. Whether it's the Philippines—or now even Singapore—feeling this, it is a fact of life for them every day.

https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/10/30/reviewing-destined-for-war-an-interview-with-graham-allison

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Why all the governments in the region now ask first what will China do ?? Cos unlike other big nations (Russia, India) CN willing to bow down to US just to gain support to bully small nation in the region

CN alone is nothing, its army is poorly trained and weak. But if US send support to CN like in 1979 VN-CN war , then VN have to be careful in this case
 
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Why all the governments in the region now ask first what will China do ?? Cos unlike other big nations (Russia, India) CN willing to bow down to US just to gain support to bully small nation in the region

CN alone is nothing, its army is poorly trained and weak. But if US send support to CN like in 1979 VN-CN war , then VN have to be careful in this case
Oops! Your suggestion even has not come into my thought at the slightest... and seeing that you've been around here, at PDF, for over six years, it seems that you have not learned anything of substance at this forum.

You even ignore the thoughts of Prof. Graham Allison right before your eyes at all. I'm simply speechless.
 
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Oops! Your suggestion even has not come into my thought at the slightest... and seeing that you've been around here, at PDF, for over six years, it seems that you have not learned anything of substance at this forum.

You even ignore the thoughts of Prof. Graham Allison right before your eyes at all. I'm simply speechless.
Everyone know that VN is always be the last winner in all war against mighty enemies (Mongol empire, France,US, CN ), so what we said based on what we faced in history and it help VNese to keep winning in any incoming war .

Who is Graham Allison ?? a loser in VN war ?? he'd better stop smoking while writing 5cent article.
 
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Finally ...PH has sold its sovereignty to China ...:D

Philippines removes hut on contested sandbar after China complain

MANILA - President Rodrigo Duterte ordered the withdrawal of a structure put up on a sandbar near an island the Philippines occupies in the South China Sea, after China complained about it.

Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana told reporters on the sidelines of a forum on the upcoming Asean summit on Wednesday (Nov 8) that Philippine troops had in August built a hut on the sandbar, 4km off Thitu island, for use as a shelter for Filipino fishermen.

Soon after, Chinese patrol boats approached the sandbar and demanded that the hut be removed.

More : http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-...august-defence
 
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Xi: China-Philippines ties standing on a new starting point

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2017-11-11 22:43 GMT+8, Updated 2017-11-12 08:16 GMT+8

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China-Philippines ties are at a new starting point, said Chinese President Xi Jinping on Saturday, adding that China will continue to work with ASEAN countries to safeguard peace and development in the South China Sea region.

Xi made the remarks when he met with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Economic Leaders' Meeting in Da Nang, Vietnam.

Xi said that since Duterte's visit to China in October last year, bilateral ties have opened a new chapter.

With the two countries' cooperation enhanced, China-Philippines relations have seen healthy and stable development, bringing tangible benefits to both peoples and contributing to the region's peace and stability, he added.

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Chinese President Xi Jinping meets with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte in Da Nang, Vietnam, Nov. 11, 2017. /Xinhua Photo‍

Xi said good-neighborliness and friendliness is the right direction for China-Philippines relations, and China, together with the Philippines, is willing to continue considering the bilateral ties from a strategic and long-term perspective, enhancing mutual political trust, deepening cooperation and bringing more benefits to the two peoples.

Xi said the 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) concluded last month set the goal for China for a period in the future.

China's development needs an environment of lasting peace and stability, he added, noting that China will continue peaceful development, as well as opening up and win-win cooperation.

China will treat neighboring countries with amity, sincerity, mutual benefit and inclusiveness, pushing forward the building of a community with a shared future for mankind, said the Chinese president.

He said relations between the two countries stand on a new starting point, adding that they should enhance high-level exchanges, so as to ensure the development of bilateral relations on a right track.

He noted the two sides should align the Belt and Road Initiative with the Philippines' development strategy, and deepen practical cooperation in infrastructure, agriculture, investment and other areas.

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Chinese President Xi Jinping (R) meets with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, who is here for the Belt and Road Forum (BRF) for International Cooperation, at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, capital of China, May 15, 2017. /Xinhua Photo

Xi said China is willing to offer assistance to the Philippines on poverty reduction, and continue support for the Philippine government's effort to safeguard national security.

Xi also said China is to work with ASEAN countries to maintain peace and stability, as well as development and prosperity in the South China Sea region.

Noting the great importance of bilateral ties, Duterte said the Philippines regards China as a sincere friend and is grateful for China's assistance on economy, anti-terrorism and maintaining stability.

He said the Philippines is willing to properly handle maritime issues through bilateral channels in accordance with consensus reached by the two sides.

The current overseas trip is Xi's first after the 19th CPC National Congress. After attending the APEC meeting in Da Nang, he will then pay state visits to Vietnam and Laos from Sunday to Tuesday.

APEC is a regional economic forum established in 1989 to leverage the growing interdependence of the Asia-Pacific. This year's APEC Economic Leaders' Week is held under the theme of "Creating New Dynamism, Fostering a Shared Future."

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https://news.cgtn.com/news/31677a4d35597a6333566d54/share_p.html

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China - All there are ours..
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So .. what will happen with Indonesia's Natuna oil and gas project ?

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Will China Scuttle ExxonMobil’s South China Sea Gas Project With Vietnam?

A planned investment in the Blue Whale field could make the U.S. energy giant the next target of Chinese threats.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/will...-with-vietnam/
 
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China - All there are ours..
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So .. what will happen with Indonesia's Natuna oil and gas project ?

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Will China Scuttle ExxonMobil’s South China Sea Gas Project With Vietnam?

A planned investment in the Blue Whale field could make the U.S. energy giant the next target of Chinese threats.

https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/will...-with-vietnam/

WHY did you INSINUATE that there will be any problem with Indonesia's Natuna oil dan gas project? Do you know how long has the Natuna's project been in operation?

And why don't you add the Brunei Darrusalam's oil dan gas project either while being here?

Indeed you may come out with many more fabricated lines if you do try harder... I believe you do have bigger motive as well as imagination seeing most of your posts with regard to the South China Sea.
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Expansion work on Spratly Islands, one of the islands in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea and controlled by Vietnam, is currently underway.

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NO news coverage? The main presstitutes just keep the deafening silence! Not okay for China yet okay for the rest? Ha ha ha :rofl:
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WHY did you INSINUATE that there will be any problem with Indonesia's Natuna oil dan gas project? Do you know how long has the Natuna's project been in operation?

And why don't you add the Brunei Darrusalam's oil dan gas project either while being here?

Indeed you may come out with many more fabricated lines if you do try harder... I believe you do have bigger motive as well as imagination seeing most of your posts with regard to the South China Sea.
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So.. Do you want to say that all oil and gas projects owned by Brunei dan Malaysia at their ZEE are are also owned by China because of all SCS are efectively controlled by China ?:taz:
 
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So.. Do you want to say that all oil and gas projects owned by Brunei dan Malaysia at their ZEE are are also owned by China because of all SCS are efectively controlled by China ?:taz:
DO NOT try to put your words into my mouth.

I asked you earlier how could you insinuate that the Natuna Oil & Gas projects have any problem with China?

You have yet answered that question.
 
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DO NOT try to put your words into my mouth.

I asked you earlier how could you insinuate that the Natuna Oil & Gas projects have any problem with China?

You have yet answered that question.

Hahahaha ... Who are you actually? Are you pro China or Not?
 
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