South China Sea Forum

[opruh]

Oh my ... Mischief Reef definitely belongs to Philippines @Cossack25A1 @Zero_wing ?

No, it is a disputed reef just like all the other reefs and islands currently occupied by Vietnam and the Philippines.

 

[ahojunk]

No, it is a disputed reef just like all the other reefs and islands currently occupied by Vietnam and the Philippines.

Yes, the reefs and islands in the Spratlys are disputed.

China says that they belong to them and are stolen by the Viets and Pinoys.

Now the Chinese are reclaiming them.
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[Zero_wing]

Yes, the reefs and islands in the Spratlys are disputed.

China says that they belong to them and are stolen by the Viets and Pinoys.

Now the Chinese are reclaiming them.
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We dont want to go to war yet so let the chinese build islands its never gonna fly with the international community anyway so let them build and will be building our military assets if they attack us will fight but we will not start the war it will be the chinese.

 

[luoyue]

Yes, the reefs and islands in the Spratlys are disputed.

China says that they belong to them and are stolen by the Viets and Pinoys.

Now the Chinese are reclaiming them.
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China robbed from Viets recently, 1988. Don't forget it.

 

[Tom99]

China starts work on Mischief Reef land reclamation
James Hardy, London and Sean O'Connor, Indianapolis, IN - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
11 March 2015

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Anyone ocean-ologist or water current-ologist here know why China start the reclamination at that particular area of the reef? It seems like some of the sand just flows back into the dredged channel.

 

[LacViet]

This reefs don't have its coastline, just for bring back 7th flotta of US Navy in to region base on free navigation and stability , peace for Asia.

 

[opruh]

China robbed from Viets recently, 1988. Don't forget it.

So sad, you can cry in the corner.
You should be thankful that China is generous enough to allow the existence of Vietnam, now don't be greedy and stop your nonsense claims on those islands.

 

[Zero_wing]

So sad, you can cry in the corner.
You should be thankful that China is generous enough to allow the existence of Vietnam, now don't be greedy and stop your nonsense claims on those islands.

Why should anyone be thankful for if your being threaten china has no right to threaten anyone in fact china should be thankful for the world generosity that its still a nation on earth hey bihon remove my country flag from you post or chinese are really uncivilized that they have no respect for anyone.

 

[luoyue]

So sad, you can cry in the corner.
You should be thankful that China is generous enough to allow the existence of Vietnam, now don't be greedy and stop your nonsense claims on those islands.

Chinese ran back from Vietnam many time, do you know it ?

 

[Sam.]

Singapore said it wants India to play a bigger role in the South China Sea as China hastens land reclamation in the disputed waters that carry some of the world’s busiest shipping lanes.

Singapore has been a strong supporter of India’s increased engagement in the region through security forums, Defense Minister Ng Eng Hen said in an interview on Monday after a meeting with Southeast Asian counterparts in Langkawi, an island in Malaysia. The group declared its commitment to the principle of no first use of force, he said.

“We hope that their presence and participation will increase — that really adds up to engagement and confidence building and mutual understanding,” Ng said, referring to Asia’s third-biggest economy. “India is a big country and it’s an influential country.”


India’s involvement in the region could give Southeast Asian nations a further buffer against China as that country seeks to enforce its claims to the majority of the South China Sea and push back against decades of U.S. military dominance in the Pacific. China is also looking to build a maritime trade route linking a network of ports through the Indian Ocean with Europe via the Suez Canal, a prospect that has unnerved India.

Ng’s comments follow calls for Japan to separately play an enhanced role in the South China Sea. Vice-Admiral Robert Thomas, commander of the Navy’s Seventh Fleet, said in January the U.S. would welcome an extension of Japan’s air surveillance into the area, while Defense Minister Gen Nakatani said last month that Japan would consider conducting air and sea patrols. Japan and China are separately embroiled in a territorial dispute in the East China Sea.

Nine-Dash Line
China says it’s entitled to about four-fifths of the South China Sea, based on a nine-dash line drawn on a 1940s map that loops down like a cow’s tongue to a point about 1,800 kilometers (1,119 miles) south from China’s Hainan island. The area overlaps claims from Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei and Taiwan.

Southeast Asian nations are worried about China building multistory mall-like structures on the Cuarteron and Gaven reefs, Philippine Defense spokesman Peter Paul Galvez told reporters in Manila last week. The Philippines is relying on diplomatic protests and arbitration to address China’s “blatant disregard” of a 2002 non-binding declaration of conduct in the waters, he said.

China has reclaimed land around Fiery Cross Reef to create an island large enough to enable its first airstrip in the Spratly Islands, IHS Jane’s reported Nov. 20, citing satellite pictures. The Spratlys are a collection of more than 100 islands or reefs that dot the southern South China Sea.

Explain Actions
China will have to explain its actions and how they comply with the 2002 agreement, Ng said. The declaration between China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations calls on parties to refrain from “inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays and other features.”

China has every right to carry out construction on its territory and won’t accept criticism from others about its “legal and reasonable” work, Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on March 8. “We are not comparable to some countries that like to build illegal houses on others’ territory.”

The U.S. has urged China to stop reclaiming land, while the Philippines and China have frequently traded accusations over their territorial claims and encounters between fishing and military vessels.

Projecting Power
“The reclaimed features will enable China to station warships, coast guard vessels and aircraft on a permanent basis in the Spratlys, thus enabling it to project and sustain its military and paramilitary assets far further south than it had previously been able to do so,” said Ian Storey, senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore.

Greater Indian involvement in the South China Sea would risk raising tensions with China and complicate its efforts to assert control of the Indian Ocean, waters that carry most of the world’s oil trade. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is starting to bulk up his naval forces to assert control in the waters and prevent China from establishing a military foothold.

India last month increased its defense budget by 11 percent to $40 billion and approved the building of six nuclear-powered submarines, triple what it currently has in service, as well as seven new frigates. Modi is concerned that China wants to expand its military presence in the region by establishing naval bases in Indian Ocean ports, a theory first expounded by U.S. consultant Booz Allen Hamilton in a 2005 report for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Oil Imports
China argues that its interests are purely economic, and that it wants to protect vital sea lines of communications that bring it energy supplies from the Middle East. Forty percent of its oil imports pass through the Straits of Hormuz, and that figure doubles to more than 80 percent in the Malacca Strait on the other side of the Indian Ocean.

“We’ve said so to our Indian counterparts, we feel that we benefit from their presence, from their voice, and we’ll continue to take that line,” said Ng. “How they respond to their own interpretation of events in the Indian Ocean is up to them.”

During the meeting, the defense ministers noted the threat posed by Islamic State and its growing influence across the globe, Malaysian Defense Minister Hussein Hishammuddin said in a statement Monday. The ministers agreed that collaboration to tackle the threat should include the sharing of intelligence, he said.

India Should Play Bigger Role in South China Sea, Says Singapore | idrw.org

 

[TheTruth]

India should play a bigger role in actually improving living standards for her people, instead of pretending that they will ever be a dominant military power in Asia. They're probably just baiting you into killing more of your own children through neglect.

 

[Jlaw]

India should play a bigger role in actually improving living standards for her people, instead of pretending that they will ever be a dominant military power in Asia. They're probably just baiting you into killing more of your own children through neglect.

I think India should play more of a world police like the US. They have population dividend.

 

[Genesis]

this is the most popular thread ever man. I seen it posted at least 3 times already. lol

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

No need. Asia is big for two tigers.

India and China should cooperate to form a clear demarcation of areas of strategic interest.

China should get the East and South China Sea, while India should get the nearby Indian ocean. Both should promise that they won't work against the other's interests.

India should play a bigger role in actually improving living standards for her people, instead of pretending that they will ever be a dominant military power in Asia. They're probably just baiting you into killing more of your own children through neglect.

Did not expect this from you my friend. It is the same thing that the Americans and Japanese said about Chinese, and see where China is now. I don't know what you mean here by "Asia", but our goal is largely to be a military power in our peripheral areas which is the SAARC, and most importantly the Indian Ocean.

 

[Sam.]

I think India should play more of a world police like the US. They have population dividend.

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