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who knows, it is mobile, depend on where the oil is.position all out of our EEZ waters. correct me if I am wrong.
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who knows, it is mobile, depend on where the oil is.position all out of our EEZ waters. correct me if I am wrong.
Fishing vessels Shun Feng-001 and Shun Feng-002 launched at ZPMC's Qidong Marine Engineering Co. Ltd:
Eight such ships will be built for starters。
Our Vietnames friends need to expand their fishing fleet in a major way,both in terms of the size and the number of the ships。
Bigger,higher and faster。
It's a stupid question asking what China's end goal is. There's no end goal for every country. One can ask that silly question 500 years ago , 100 years ago, today, 100 years from now, 500 years from now. Every country, every leaders have different sets of goals.
It's a stupid question asking what China's end goal is. There's no end goal for every country. One can ask that silly question 500 years ago , 100 years ago, today, 100 years from now, 500 years from now. Every country, every leaders have different sets of goals.
It isn't stupid. I asking how far is China going to take it. As a viet, I wouldn't know. I am hoping for some Chinese insider. Because the information I gather is all over the place. Before Vietnam War, China had an expansionism attitude. Then it had the attitude of doing businesses with everyone. Now, it using it navy to patrol the entirety of the entire South China Sea and almost pushing into Indian Ocean. So how far will China go?? A war like the Chinese article said? Or just pushing and pushing with these oil rigs and then pull back when it got too tense. How far is China willing to go at least during the current time? I think I am speaking English. I don't know if you can understand me while I am being as clear as I am.
Just to be clear, I will actually take whatever you say seriously. So don't post stupid irrelevant shit like this again. I am ain't here to play the pointless dumbfuck flame war like I have seen on this thread.
Let me ask you this "how far is the US willing to go for world domination?" We have seen Vietnam War, 2 Wars in Iraq, Afghan War, US involvements in the ME, Africa. You should try to count how many countries the US has bombed for the past few decades. Is eager to bomb Syria and Iran too. Did i mention the US has blacksites all over the world? As a Viet living in the US don't you have anything to say about this rather pointing the finger at China how far it is willing to go?
Very far... In fact I am against the neocon. In fact, I don't think the USA is a moral agent in the past nor it is now. Only stupid people think we go to the Middle East to spread Democracy, or going to the Philippines to Christianize the heathens. If you want my opinions on that sure. But it would be off topic for this thread. Vietnam always had to chose one of two devils. They went to the USSR against America. And now, they want to drag America in via allying with Japan and Philippine to combat China. That is call the politics of a weak nation. I thought you guys would be well verse, I meant geez, we have the warring states and the 3 kingdoms.
I had spent the last few years defending China against every damn ignorant Western views. But during that whole time, I know China is just the same USA sooner or later. But I do believe the title of this thread has nothing to do with this. Feel free to send me messages in regard to this. But this isn't the 70s, at least in the perspective of Vietnam at the moment. Will Vietnam be like Bhutan where China occupy like 10% of its land. Or if China going far enough to Vietnam like it did with Tibet. I don't know. I was under the impression the Chinese citizens don't think the same way as their government do. But it turn out the Chinese are prideful and nationalistic like everyone else. And some surveys had indicate they are happy with the direction of their government. Unlike the viet who say shitty stuffs against the viet government over this whole issues. It seemed like the Chinese government had a bunch of cheerleaders online and elsewhere. Even the Chinese ethic viet in my family are very prideful of China. But yeah, if you don't want to answer, just say it and stop wasting my time.
The viet, the filipinos, the chinese, the westerners, etc. They are all wrong when they tackle this issues in a moral perspective. That is just plain stupid. There is no morality here. It doesn't matter if all the chinese maps are fake or if there is no ancient chinese on those islands. Might is right. And it always had been that way. But too bad, China isn't the sole power here.
So US does, and you must do like that !?Let me ask you this "how far is the US willing to go for world domination?" We have seen Vietnam War, 2 Wars in Iraq, Afghan War, US involvements in the ME, Africa. You should try to count how many countries the US has bombed for the past few decades. Is eager to bomb Syria and Iran too. Did i mention the US has blacksites all over the world? As a Viet living in the US don't you have anything to say about this rather pointing the finger at China how far it is willing to go?
No need to talk with mock-grape, he's idiot clown want to troll around by his stupid, non-knowledge comments ...what are you going to do now?
why not either inhale the smog, jump off the window and end your useless life or join the PLA to start a war against Vietnam?
Chinese are nationalistic just as everybody of every nation. The degree might vary and there are always those who don't care about politics, same with Chinese. But i disagree with you that China is the same as the US. You should know that China with a history of 5000 years as a civilization state hardly had the expansion drift like the British, Mongols or Europeans. All you have to do is look at the maps of the colonies of these Empires and you can see how far they went. With so many neighbors China only invaded Vietnam in the past and ruled your country for a very long time until Vietnam gained independence.
Today Australia and America are ruled by people whose ancestors came from EU and the American foreign policies with its hegemony characteristics are no better than the Europeans back in those days, and i haven't even talked about slavery.
I understand your worries for Vietnam but the border conflict between China and Vientam has already been solved. The only disputes left lies in SCS where other SE Asian countries also claim sovereignty of certain islands/shoals. I will not debate about sovereignty of these islands, it's pointless as you can tell by now. China's goals related to sovereignty are crystal clear: reducing American influence in SCS, gettng Taiwan back, Diaoyu island and dealing with the border conflict with India.
Not really,ever since the Qin-Han dynasty there was a concept of one "China" under an Emperor,efforts to revive Zhou era feudalism ie Rebellion of the 7 states were crushed.The China of today comprise of many many nations like that of the United states comprise of many many Native American countries. If you don't know where Vietnam was, let me tell you. Look at where the Burmese people used to live.
Van Lang doesn't exist,the first text to mention it was the Taiping Yulan written thousands of years after it supposed founding date.Google Van Lang and Nanyue.
No there isn't, projecting a Han or minority identity on past states is simply erroneous as the ancients did not have the modern day perception of nationality/ethnicity.For each of the 55 ethnic minorities in China, there are ancient countries and kingdoms associate with them.
Not really,ever since the Qin-Han dynasty there was a concept of one "China" under an Emperor,efforts to revive Zhou era feudalism ie Rebellion of the 7 states were crushed.
That is the reason why there are no efforts to establish individual state today ie there are no acts of Chu,Zhao,Qin separatism.
Van Lang doesn't exist,the first text to mention it was the Taiping Yulan written thousands of years after it supposed founding date.
Furthermore there is no archaeological backing for the Van Lang myth.
The Au Lac state is what Vietnamese claim heritage from so how can Nanyue be Vietnamese?
Not really,ever since the Qin-Han dynasty there was a concept of one "China" under an Emperor,efforts to revive Zhou era feudalism ie Rebellion of the 7 states were crushed.
That is the reason why there are no efforts to establish individual state today ie there are no acts of Chu,Zhao,Qin separatism.
Van Lang doesn't exist,the first text to mention it was the Taiping Yulan written thousands of years after it supposed founding date.
Furthermore there is no archaeological backing for the Van Lang myth.
The Au Lac state is what Vietnamese claim heritage from so how can Nanyue be Vietnamese?
Refer to my earlier thread for a general FAQ.
Vietnamese nationalist fabrications
No there isn't, projecting a Han or minority identity on past states is simply erroneous as the ancients did not have the modern day perception of nationality/ethnicity.
Whether the outlying states of Chu,Wu,Yue,Shu and Ba identified with Sinitic states of the Central Plains is up to debate,rather the elite of these semi-barbaric states were most likely Sinicized or of Sinitic origin while the bulk of the population was multiethnic.
Same shit as manifest destiny. Even if I give you China is Qin and Han. The current China encompassed still many ethnic kingdoms since the Han dynasty. China currently probably 2 to 3 times Han dynasty. There are separatist movements since the Han dynasty and there are still now.
Don't know what your point is from the overall of this thread nor how is it addressing my point of the post. Nanyue may not be vietnamese but is vietnamese as how the Chinese claimed the Qing dynasty is Chinese. Or how they try to rewrite history and claim Genghis Khan is Chinese. I don't need to refer back to your thread. Western historians had said vietnamese historians do not particularly have a truth perspective but rather a nationalistic perspective. They try too hard to tie ancient history to that of vietnamese history. Dong Son culture may not even belong to the Kinh Vietnamese. Likewise, whatever ancient craps that are found in China may not necessarily stem from the ancient Han Chinese. I don't think there is a strong enough link to said all those countries back during Spring Autumn are all HAN CHINESE. My point still stand. China was a tiny country. Its southern border changed all the time. Taiwan wasn't even populated by Han Chinese at one point. How can it claimed that it had navigate South China Sea much more so than the ancient Austronesian peoples.
I am a seeker of truth. What I can say is that the Viet did well to kept themselves separate from the Chinese and not just one of the 55 minorities in China. The trend of nationalism and tying identity to history past whether if there is kennel of truth or not just explain out identity. It is no more absurd than many things the chinese believe in ages past.
But what is your motive?? Trying to discredit every other points I have by bringing this up? Or are you trying to get me to admit what a shameful fake *** our history is? Those shit doesn't matter. Tran Hung Dao, Quang Trung, Ngo Quyen, Trung sisters, lady Trieu, Le Loi. As long as those are real it doesn't matter. I hope you are not baiting me.
But seemed you are someone I could learn from because you have at least proven yourself to me that you know what you are talking about. So I will ask the expert, how many kingdoms, dynasty, nations, and states that aren't started by Han Chinese that is right now in the current space that is People's Republic of China? I don't meant anything by this. It actually an intriguing thought for me and it just started since I began the conversation on this forum. To be honest, I was one of those ignorant person who don't think about these things prior to this.
And what is Han Chinese? When it came to existence? And what is Vietnamese according to your truth?
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Edit: I am debating if I am should entertain you further. Because it kinda derailing the topic of this thread, also if you don't know, I am more interested in current events. I only delve into this because a lot of people on the net seemed to think China had always been a benevolent, peaceful country that like never never into expansionism.