South China Sea Forum

[areal]

sorry, i don't even know that china once help print textbook for north viet!
but the contents were also determined by china, too? what a joke. don't insult IQ of this world.

Sorry boy, your trick was old ...
I explained it in another thread ... but Mod has move it to somewhere ...

At before 1975, almost Vietnamese education text book was printed by PRC, who's simply play dirty trick at everytime ...

In those book, only mention about Xisha and Nansha as China territory, nothing about damn 11 or 9-dash-lines or Paracel or Spratly Islands, so We didn't give a damn complain about it for sure ...

Still now, nobody but some delusion boys believe at 9-dash-lines map ... and Nobody, include delusion boys can explain what's 9-dash-lines or what's it base on, in properly way.

agree.
it is not good to let our viet friends frightened.

@Hu Songshan can you move mr Cirr's post to Chinese defense section !?

THIS IS SOUTH CHINA SEA NEWS DISCUSSIONS. NOT PR THREAD FOR CHINESE DEFENSE INDUSTRY ...

 

[cirr]

@Hu Songshan can you move mr Cirr's post to Chinese defense section !?

THIS IS SOUTH CHINA SEA NEWS DISCUSSIONS. NOT PR THREAD FOR CHINESE DEFENSE INDUSTRY ...

lol。

This is a small part of the grand Chinese law enforcement fleet you lot will face in the SCS in the years ahead。

These ships，which will play an important role in the ultimate settlement of the territorial conflicts between the SCS claimants，are certainly part of the discussion。

Talk is cheap。Do more，talk less。

 

[cirr]

China carrying out land reclamation operations in 6 reefs：

More to follow。

 

[cirr]

CMS 1105 is being outfitted at WCS：

This kind of 1k-tonnage ship is about the right size for face-offs with our Vietnamese friends in the SCS。

 

[Soryu]

lol。
This is a small part of the grand Chinese law enforcement fleet you lot will face in the SCS in the years ahead。

These ships，which will play an important role in the ultimate settlement of the territorial conflicts between the SCS claimants，are certainly part of the discussion。
Talk is cheap。Do more，talk less。

So give information about what force they will be delivery, when will they come, how their operation in SCS ...
If you can't do that, so stop your post. I noticed you post same image some time, this will waste forum resources, kid ...

sorry, i don't even know that china once help print textbook for north viet!
but the contents were also determined by china, too? what a joke. don't insult IQ of this world.

Joke is you, you're in propaganda from PRC, believe in kind of "South China Sea belong to China".

I said we didn't noticed about your joke Xisha and Nansha, almost Vietnamese didn't know about where and what the hell those Islands are. PRC didn't mention about 9-dash-lines or Paracel and Spratly in those book.

Map and contents text were not in same book, so most people didn't noticed it.

AND AGAIN, CHINA CLAIM IS ALL SOUTH CHINA SEA, NOT ONLY TWO GROUP ISLANDS.
AND YOU CAN'T PROVE SCS BELONG TO CHINA FROM THOUSAND YEARS AGO LIKE YOUR JOKE PROPAGANDA.

P/S: you can create your own thread like: "Chinese ships operate on SCS" to satisfy yourself ...

 

[areal]

islands in SCS belong to china, that is fact and was agreed by your word-eating country before 1974.
according to the basic principles of international laws, sea is assigned to who possesses the land or island.
so the ENTIRE SCS belongs to china by all means.
don't say it is unfair, just blame your incapable ancestors.

So give information about what force they will be delivery, when will they come, how their operation in SCS ...
If you can't do that, so stop your post. I noticed you post same image some time, this will waste forum resources, kid ...



Joke is you, you're in propaganda from PRC, believe in kind of "South China Sea belong to China".

I said we didn't noticed about your joke Xisha and Nansha, almost Vietnamese didn't know about where and what the hell those Islands are. PRC didn't mention about 9-dash-lines or Paracel and Spratly in those book.

Map and contents text were not in same book, so most people didn't noticed it.

AND AGAIN, CHINA CLAIM IS ALL SOUTH CHINA SEA, NOT ONLY TWO GROUP ISLANDS.
AND YOU CAN'T PROVE SCS BELONG TO CHINA FROM THOUSAND YEARS AGO LIKE YOUR JOKE PROPAGANDA.

P/S: you can create your own thread like: "Chinese ships operate on SCS" to satisfy yourself ...

 

[Soryu]

islands in SCS belong to china, that is fact and was agreed by your word-eating country before 1974.
according to the basic principles of international laws, sea is assigned to who possesses the land or island.
so the ENTIRE SCS belongs to china by all means.
don't say it is unfair, just blame your incapable ancestors.

What law then !?
What international law allowed Chinese draw a ridiculous map in 1947 and got right to possesses South China Sea !?

Who accepted your illegal actions by military force and robbed other countries Island still now !?
Who recognized Paracel and Spratly belong to China but yourself !?

China claim base on joke "historical record", not on International law, that 's declared by China Govt, kid.
You fool no one but yourself ....

And follow your logic, it's fair when other countries invade your country, rob your land, harm your people, because you're incapable to defend yourself.
So stop demand apologize from Japan for what they did with you in WW2, stop crying about eight power countries invade China in past ... let cheer about it.
Truly, you're bow your head before them to gain their support after 1972 ...

 

[CN.Black]

@Hu Songshan can you move mr Cirr's post to Chinese defense section !?

THIS IS SOUTH CHINA SEA NEWS DISCUSSIONS. NOT PR THREAD FOR CHINESE DEFENSE INDUSTRY ...

Viet puppy is scared.

 

[areal]

it is you, your country, your leaders, who recognized Paracel and Spratly belong to China.
why we have issued in SCS, because viet swallowed their own words letter by letter.

What law then !?
What international law allowed Chinese draw a ridiculous map in 1947 and got right to possesses South China Sea !?

Who accepted your illegal actions by military force and robbed other countries Island still now !?
Who recognized Paracel and Spratly belong to China but yourself !?

China claim base on joke "historical record", not on International law, that 's declared by China Govt, kid.
You fool no one but yourself ....

And follow your logic, it's fair when other countries invade your country, rob your land, harm your people, because you're incapable to defend yourself.
So stop demand apologize from Japan for what they did with you in WW2, stop crying about eight power countries invade China in past ... let cheer about it.
Truly, you're bow your head before them to gain their support after 1972 ...

 

[Soryu]

it is you, your country, your leaders, who recognized Paracel and Spratly belong to China.
why we have issued in SCS, because viet swallowed their own words letter by letter.

Kid, your words are ridiculous joke and nobody take it serious, just like China 9-dash-lines.

Ignore the fact and my questions can't help you hide it, your Govt is liar and you were fool by their propaganda ...

 

[areal]

who is liar? who is the one overturned his promise, standpoint?
it is not the china gov. admitted that nanshan and xishan belonged to viet, and then shamelessly took the words back.
but your viet nam gov. and brainwashed people who are the truly liars.

Kid, your words are ridiculous joke and nobody take it serious, just like China 9-dash-lines.

Ignore the fact and my questions can't help you hide it, your Govt is liar and you were fool by their propaganda ...

 

[areal]

yes, you surely know, all the world has witnessed the map in vietnamese language with nansha and xisha published before 1974.
your viet gov. felt very annoyed as it cannot destroyed all the diplomatic letters, documents that admitted that xishan and nanshan belonged to china as it destroyed all the inconvenient maps that it once printed before 1974.

by the way, one of your viet guys in this forum just declared that all maps before 1974 in viet nam have been destroyed because of the damned war. it is really a pity. i am sorry to hear about that.

We don't know what the hell is Nansha and Xisha ... Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam.
Dirty dog attacked us and robbed our Islands when we're in chaos of war, we will kick them out our Island when time come ...

 

[EastSea]

Sovereignty cannot be seized by force

VietNamNet Bridge - "Mentioning sovereignty is national sovereignty, i.e., sovereignty established and exercised by the State in terms of peace, without dispute, absolutely not sovereignty seized by force," said Prof. Dr. Nguyen Quang Ngoc, the chair of the Council for Appraisal of Artifacts, Historical and Legal Evidence for Vietnam’s Sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly Islands.

The World Atlas (Bruxelles - 1827) by the eminent geographer Philippe Vandermaelen (1795-1869), member of the Paris Geographical Society, includes a map showing that the Paracel Islands belong to Vietnam.

Prof. Dr. of History Nguyen Quang Ngoc was one of the first members of the Council for Appraisal of Artifacts, Historical and Legal Evidence for Vietnam’s Sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands.

He has long been completing the tasks of assessment, decoding artifacts, compiling historical and legal evidence and arranging them to serve as basis for exhibitions on the Hoang Sa - Truong Sa islands held by the Ministry of Information and Communications.

Ngoc said there is much legal evidence that affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over the two archipelagos of Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, including important and vivid evidence contributed by ordinary people.

Ngoc said the first exhibition of this type was organized by Da Nang City named "Hoang Sa - Truong Sa Documents," mainly the documents about Hoang Sa. The documents are part of ta research project by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son and some overseas Vietnamese. They include a number of Western maps and Western atlases about China.

When the External Information Department of the Ministry of Information and Communication organized the national exhibition on Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, Mr. Ngoc was invited as the chair of the document evaluation council, which consisted of many experts from the Government Boundary Committee, the Ministry of Science and Technology, the Center for Marine and Maritime Research, the Mapping Bureau, and others.

The Council decided to choose historic Western maps collected by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son, the Western Atlas about China that had recently been collected in the US, and some old maps and documents of Vietnam, particularly documents called “Chau Ban” (administrative documents of the royal court) as the exhibits in the national exhibition on Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa in the central province of Ha Tinh. The exhibition was a big success.

After each exhibition, the organizers received opinions and materials from the public to enrich their objects, documents and evidence for the next exhibition.

At the exhibition in Thai Nguyen, the organizers added photos of historic maps of the West, proving Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa. These are the photos of the original maps, so the quality is very good, Ngoc said. According to Ngoc, these photos were taken by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son in France. Among them is a map by Taberd in 1838.


Ngoc said the amount of evidence, both historical and legal, of Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, is huge. In terms of ancient maps alone, there are several hundred old maps of the West but the council only chose several dozen of the maps for exhibitions. There are also many valuable “chau ban”, particularly those of the Nguyen Dynasty (1802-1945).

Ngoc said sovereignty is national sovereignty, ie sovereignty that is established and enforced by the State in conditions of peace, without dispute, absolutely not sovereignty seized by force, or sovereignty of individuals or factions. Therefore, documents of the state or “chau ban” are the most appreciated in regards to legality.

He emphasized that the “chau ban”, including the reports of ministries and agencies to the emperor on sending boats to Hoang Sa to map and collect marine resources, are unique documents that only Vietnam has. These documents are highly praised for their legal value over Vietnam’s sovereignty of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa.

Di Linh

 

[BuddhaPalm]

^ Viet liars as usual. The map says the Paracels and Spratlys belong to China! Viets know all their own maps do not include Paracels or Spratlys so they beg for help from Westerners.

 

[areal]

viet nam gov. and so-called researchers dig all ancient literature to find evidence to support their day-dreaming illegal claim over xishan and nansha islands, but unfortunately, they found none, and they could never give solid proof and verification on where the paracel island in old maps was truly located, so viet changed to a smarter strategy to cheat the entire world, what the viet did and do is to claim all hoang sa in old literature and maps is always referred to paracel, all truong sa always referred to spratly, no matter how these hoang sa and truong sa were close to mainland of viet nam. such proofs demonstrated nothing but how much IQ of viet gov. and people have.

see this map on how western maps made a mistake on paracel and how this mistake was fully taken advantage of by viet:

http://s15.sinaimg.cn/orignal/564cb1f8gddfbe05fee9e

Sovereignty cannot be seized by force

VietNamNet Bridge - "Mentioning sovereignty is national sovereignty, i.e., sovereignty established and exercised by the State in terms of peace, without dispute, absolutely not sovereignty seized by force," said Prof. Dr. Nguyen Quang Ngoc, the chair of the Council for Appraisal of Artifacts, Historical and Legal Evidence for Vietnam’s Sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly Islands.

The World Atlas (Bruxelles - 1827) by the eminent geographer Philippe Vandermaelen (1795-1869), member of the Paris Geographical Society, includes a map showing that the Paracel Islands belong to Vietnam.
Prof. Dr. of History Nguyen Quang Ngoc was one of the first members of the Council for Appraisal of Artifacts, Historical and Legal Evidence for Vietnam’s Sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands.

He has long been completing the tasks of assessment, decoding artifacts, compiling historical and legal evidence and arranging them to serve as basis for exhibitions on the Hoang Sa - Truong Sa islands held by the Ministry of Information and Communications.

Ngoc said there is much legal evidence that affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over the two archipelagos of Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, including important and vivid evidence contributed by ordinary people.

Ngoc said the first exhibition of this type was organized by Da Nang City named "Hoang Sa - Truong Sa Documents," mainly the documents about Hoang Sa. The documents are part of ta research project by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son and some overseas Vietnamese. They include a number of Western maps and Western atlases about China.

When the External Information Department of the Ministry of Information and Communication organized the national exhibition on Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, Mr. Ngoc was invited as the chair of the document evaluation council, which consisted of many experts from the Government Boundary Committee, the Ministry of Science and Technology, the Center for Marine and Maritime Research, the Mapping Bureau, and others.

The Council decided to choose historic Western maps collected by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son, the Western Atlas about China that had recently been collected in the US, and some old maps and documents of Vietnam, particularly documents called “Chau Ban” (administrative documents of the royal court) as the exhibits in the national exhibition on Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa in the central province of Ha Tinh. The exhibition was a big success.

After each exhibition, the organizers received opinions and materials from the public to enrich their objects, documents and evidence for the next exhibition.

At the exhibition in Thai Nguyen, the organizers added photos of historic maps of the West, proving Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa. These are the photos of the original maps, so the quality is very good, Ngoc said. According to Ngoc, these photos were taken by Dr. Tran Duc Anh Son in France. Among them is a map by Taberd in 1838.

Ngoc said the amount of evidence, both historical and legal, of Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa and Truong Sa, is huge. In terms of ancient maps alone, there are several hundred old maps of the West but the council only chose several dozen of the maps for exhibitions. There are also many valuable “chau ban”, particularly those of the Nguyen Dynasty (1802-1945).

Ngoc said sovereignty is national sovereignty, ie sovereignty that is established and enforced by the State in conditions of peace, without dispute, absolutely not sovereignty seized by force, or sovereignty of individuals or factions. Therefore, documents of the state or “chau ban” are the most appreciated in regards to legality.

He emphasized that the “chau ban”, including the reports of ministries and agencies to the emperor on sending boats to Hoang Sa to map and collect marine resources, are unique documents that only Vietnam has. These documents are highly praised for their legal value over Vietnam’s sovereignty of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa.

Di Linh