South China Sea Forum

[Bob Ong]

By the way Philipines was forced on us in ASEAN by the west , we never wanted these useless Western puppets .

There is no way we could compare between China and Vietnam , this is more like comparing between lion and a mouse

and you think you are so special that China won't mess with you? FYI they are already in your Johnson Reef.

Vietnam, which is a much more capable country than Malaysia got their cables cut-off by Chinese vessels. It won't be long until China starts harassing you or any country because they virtually claim the entire South China Sea as theirs, no exception.

 

[Bob Ong]

PH, U.S. military aim for territorial defense force

By Ronron Calunsod, Kyodo News

Posted at 04/17/2013

MANILA - The Philippines and U.S. military are considering the development of a force capable of handling the Philippines' strategic interest in the South China Sea, a high-ranking U.S. military official said Wednesday.

The statement comes amid rising tension between China and other neighboring countries over some disputed areas in the South China Sea.

During the closing of the two countries' military exercises dubbed Balikatan (Shoulder-to-Shoulder) 2013, Lt. Gen. Terry Robling, commander of the U.S. Marine Corps Forces in the Pacific, said that while the territorial disputes in the Asia-Pacific region will have to be worked on through diplomatic channels, "having a strong defense" is also one tool that can be used, although, he hopes, as a last resort.

"One of the things that I talked to (Philippine military chief) Gen. (Emmanuel) Bautista about was a roadmap for us training with the armed forces of the Philippines," Robling told reporters.

He said they hoped to get the forces to the point of a "national maneuver force" that is best designed for territorial defense.

"I think, at some point, that will happen, but probably, not in the next exercise," he added.

The Philippines remains locked in a territorial row with China over parts of the Spratly group of islands and the Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea. Tensions flared up in 2011, with the Philippines bringing the issue before the United Nations for arbitration.

The dispute has prompted the Philippine military to shift its strategic focus to territorial defense from internal security threats, which had concentrated on the suppression of the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group and communist rebels.

Last year, two missions under the umbrella of Balikatan 2012 were conducted in waters off Palawan province in the central Philippines which is close to the South China Sea, although officials of both countries stated those were not directed at China.

Maj. Gen. Virgilio Domingo, the Balikatan 2013 exercise director from the Philippine side, said officials for Balikatan 2014 will have to discuss whether similar drills will be held again in Palawan.

China for the first time participated Monday in a multinational maritime disaster response tabletop discussion under Balikatan 2013. Beijing's representative joined other delegates from Australia, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Thailand, South Korea and Vietnam.

Hailing it as an accomplishment by itself, China's participation was also regarded by Robling as "very significant" not only in showing the transparency of Balikatan, but also toward the objective of making China a "better partner in the future" in the aspect of humanitarian assistance and disaster response.

"Humanitarian affairs and disaster relief operations -- there is no one country that has domain over that. We need every country in the region to be able to hold together and help countries in need," Robling said.

In his formal remarks at Wednesday's closing ceremony, Robling said Balikatan 2013, which opened April 5, not only strengthened the Philippines and U.S. forces' combined ability to defend each other, but it also "improved the multinational military and civilian disaster response coordination in Southeast Asia and throughout the region."

"We continue to share our long-standing relationship that has contributed to the regional security and stability, one deeply rooted in the Balikatan spirit of cooperation," he said.

Even with the fresh threats from North Korea, Balikatan proved to be an opportunity for the Philippines and the United States to ensure their "operational readiness" against "any emergency that both our countries may face," Domingo added.

"For whatever assistance the United States may require, or we may require from them, I guess, this Balikatan exercise is a test of how we can work together, shoulder to shoulder," he said.

Officials of both countries, meanwhile, expressed interest in eventually expanding Balikatan in the future to include other countries such as Australia and Japan.

Domingo said Australia's participation, for example, "will improve and broaden the perspective of the joint and combined exercises," noting its own unique capabilities.

Some 8,000 American and Philippine troops participated in Balikatan 2013, which also included engineering and humanitarian projects, and with the United States sending C-130s, F-18 Hornets and MV-22 Ospreys.

==Kyodo

 

[shuttler]

and you think you are so special that China won't mess with you? FYI they are already in your Johnson Reef.

just because we have more respect for Malaysia than the vietcong and the Philippines (under the present aquino government).

Vietnam, which is a much more capable country than Malaysia got their cables cut-off by Chinese vessels. It won't be long until China starts harassing you or any country because they virtually claim the entire South China Sea as theirs, no exception.

Malaysians are more reasonable people. They can talk.

vietcongs and aquino are stupid rogue privates who cant do jack except pulling thier dad's legs for help!

PH, U.S. military aim for territorial defense force

By Ronron Calunsod, Kyodo News

Posted at 04/17/2013

MANILA - The Philippines and U.S. military are considering the development of a force capable of handling the Philippines' strategic interest in the South China Sea, a high-ranking U.S. military official said Wednesday. .................
Some 8,000 American and Philippine troops participated in Balikatan 2013, which also included engineering and humanitarian projects, and with the United States sending C-130s, F-18 Hornets and MV-22 Osprey

==Kyodo

excellent move

bring the yankies in let them exhaust themselves to the brink training one of the weakest forces of the world.

 

[USAHawk785]

just because we have more respect for Malaysia than the vietcong and the Philippines (under the present aquino government).



Malaysians are more reasonable people. They can talk.

vietcongs and aquino are stupid rogue privates who cant do jack except pulling thier dad's legs for help!



excellent move

bring the yankies in let them exhaust themselves to the brink training one of the weakest forces of the world.

Its part of American strategic calculus, the Philippines' warm relationship with us will eventually lead to carrier battle group operations with our Filipino friends. There are 6 carrier battle groups in the Asia-Pacific Region, the Philippines and the regions around it is of strategic importance.

Our presence in and around the Philippines' and their territorial waters will increase over time. Who will dare touch Philippines when the Hyperpower is there? lol.

and you think you are so special that China won't mess with you? FYI they are already in your Johnson Reef.

Vietnam, which is a much more capable country than Malaysia got their cables cut-off by Chinese vessels. It won't be long until China starts harassing you or any country because they virtually claim the entire South China Sea as theirs, no exception.

Who really deals with Malaysia? She is of no strategic importance to any country. She is flanked with Thailand to the north, Singapore to her center, and the giant Indonesia to her south. A shrimp among whales.

 

[jhungary]

Its part of American strategic calculus, the Philippines' warm relationship with us will eventually lead to carrier battle group operations with our Filipino friends. There are 6 carrier battle groups in the Asia-Pacific Region, the Philippines and the regions around it is of strategic importance.

Our presence in and around the Philippines' and their territorial waters will increase over time. Who will dare touch Philippines when the Hyperpower is there? lol.

Who really deals with Malaysia? She is of no strategic importance to any country. She is flanked with Thailand to the north, Singapore to her center, and the giant Indonesia to her south. A shrimp among whales.

Well, the Actual Chinese leadership is not as incompetent like some of the Member here. They would think twice before loading off American into a dispute that not really our cup of teas.

The problem is China current have no power against the US in the Pacific. At best they can only rage a limited campaign inside their side of South China Sea. They would still trump the Vietnamese, Philippine or Any other country on the vicinity even with US help. However, things will not be the same if they are to face American in American ships

Chinese leadership is playing the right card at the moment. They let the whole things stew, not too engage and not too coarse. The fact is this, they would have a better chance now and without dragging the American in. Once we are in, the whole game will need to rewrite.

 

[Sasquatch]

Lets get back on topic now.

 

[Bob Ong]

just because we have more respect for Malaysia than the vietcong and the Philippines (under the present aquino government).



Malaysians are more reasonable people. They can talk.

vietcongs and aquino are stupid rogue privates who cant do jack except pulling thier dad's legs for help!



excellent move

bring the yankies in let them exhaust themselves to the brink training one of the weakest forces of the world.

Of course China would try to appeal to Malaysia, which 25% of their population is Chinese, to side with them as a classic 'divide and conquer' tactic. China will become more involved in race relations in Malaysia and may even use anti-Chinese riots as a pretext to invade in order to protect Chinese people.

On the other hand the Philippines will not agree on bilateral talks with China, as we all know how your country can stealthily work an upper hand by intimidation, misrepresentation, and all sorts of bullying tactics to press its preposterous illusion of sovereignty over these territorial waters. Let the UNCLOS take its course over the matter and the US consistent backing is no less timely and highly important.

 

[Bob Ong]

Time ‘ripe’ for Asean, China code of conduct — Phl
(The Philippine Star) | Updated April 18, 2013

MANILA, Philippines - The time is “ripe” for the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China to have a legally binding code of conduct to prevent occupation of disputed and non-disputed areas in West Philippine Sea and Panatag Shoal.

In a press briefing at Malacañang, Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said “China has said that they will only discuss this with ASEAN when the time is ripe.”

“We are hoping that the time is ripe now for such discussion because this actually would be very good for the region, and will put peace and stability and freedom of navigation in the area that we are talking about,” Hernandez said.

He announced that President Aquino would attend the 22nd ASEAN leaders’ summit in Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei on April 24 and 25.

The summit’s theme for this year is “Our People, Our Future Together,” emphasizing the importance of ASEAN citizens in realizing the vision of an ASEAN community by 2015.

“As to the DOC (Declaration on the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea), I think there is really a need to implement that because some of the provisions that were laid out in that document have not been fully implemented,” Hernandez said.

“We are talking about provisions like not inhabiting islands in the West Philippine Sea, which some countries have newly inhabited. So those are the things that have to be discussed and decisions have to be made for the full implementation of the DOC,” he said.

Hernandez cited the intrusions in the Bajo de Masinloc (Panatag or Scarborough Shoal) by the Chinese.

“That should not be the case. That is a violation of the provisions of the DOC. What we need to do is to be able to implement those provisions to the full so that peace and stability in the region can be undertaken.”

He said the Philippines would continue to advocate maritime security and cooperation, push for the full and effective implementation of the DOC as well as the early conclusion of a substantive and legally binding code of conduct, and review the ASEAN Charter to streamline the work and meetings of ASEAN.

Hernandez said they are hopeful that negotiations on the code of conduct would start soon for the interest of all parties concerned.

“I think ASEAN is ready to push this with China so that a substantive and legally binding Code of Conduct would be crafted as soon as possible,” Hernandez said.

Chinese occupation of the Panatag Shoal started on April 10, 2012, when surveillance vessels from Beijing barred the Philippine Navy from arresting Chinese poachers who had illegally harvested endangered marine species in the shoal.

Three Chinese vessels have remained in Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal over a year after Beijing intruded into the Philippine-owned area.

Philippine officials want the Panatag incident tackled in ASEAN and included in the documents of the regional grouping because it is within the country’s exclusive economic zone and has not been considered a disputed area until the Chinese adopted a nine-dash-line policy, claiming the whole of the West Philippine Sea and encroaching on other countries’ territories.

Hernandez said it is up to ASEAN senior ministers to come up with an agreement on the code of conduct that would be shown and discussed with the Chinese.

No effect on UN case

Hernandez said the Philippine efforts to have a legally binding code of conduct would not affect arbitral proceedings it initiated against China under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) to clarify its maritime entitlements in the West Philippine Sea. – Aurea Calica, Jaime Laude

“We brought China to an arbitral tribunal last Jan. 22nd to challenge China’s excessive claim – which they call the ‘nine-dash line’ – which, for us, is not only excessive but something that is contrary to international law, specifically the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.”

“We were able to appoint our judge and, about several weeks ago, the president of ITLOS (International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea) was also able to appoint another judge for the panel. – Aurea Calica, Jaime Laude

 

[shuttler]

Its part of American strategic calculus, the Philippines' warm relationship with us will eventually lead to carrier battle group operations with our Filipino friends. There are 6 carrier battle groups in the Asia-Pacific Region, the Philippines and the regions around it is of strategic importance.

6 carrier battle groups. wow I think you are going to have more than 10 CBGs. You should build more to bankrupt your treasury and make the green backs cheaper than the cheapest toilet paper

sinking just one us cvn is costing the us taxpayers 10 billion dollars (may be less for the rusty rudders), but it is all value for money for our missiles

Our presence in and around the Philippines' and their territorial waters will increase over time. Who will dare touch Philippines when the Hyperpower is there? lol.

we dont want to touch the philippines. we just want the us hawks to stick their rusty guns within their pants

Who really deals with Malaysia? She is of no strategic importance to any country. She is flanked with Thailand to the north, Singapore to her center, and the giant Indonesia to her south. A shrimp among whales.

which are the whales - the ones that end up as delicious sushi on the japanese munchers dinner table?

PS: nice pic of a Filipino nurse in a us (?) clinic

 

[shuttler]

Well, the Actual Chinese leadership is not as incompetent like some of the Member here. They would think twice before loading off American into a dispute that not really our cup of teas.

what is "loading off"
who is carrying the load in the first place
you wrote: "the Actual Chinese leadership is not as incompetent like some of the Member here" - I correct it as"
" the us politicians are hawkishly incompetent and in any case are not as foolish as many of the non-Chinese flagged trolls here".

The problem is China current have no power against the US in the Pacific.

Once in a million times your are correct in delineating the S China Sea from the Pacific

At best they can only rage a limited campaign inside their side of South China Sea

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haha "campaign" are we going for a 'blood donation campaign"!

They would still trump the Vietnamese, Philippine or Any other country on the vicinity even with US help. However, things will not be the same if they are to face American in American ships

beautiful english "face American in American ships" what a great comedy line!

Chinese leadership is playing the right card at the moment. They let the whole things stew, not too engage and not too coarse.

what is "not too engage and not to coarse?" - your "HKenglish" never fail to supply new meanings to modern english

The fact is this, they would have a better chance now and without dragging the American in. Once we are in, the whole game will need to rewrite.

who is "we" - HK, China, Sweden, uk, usa, or elsewhere?

did the americans say they have never left the Pacific? what do you mean "not dragging them in"? do you see them having military drills around the clock in the Pacific making provocations?

 

[shuttler]

Of course China would try to appeal to Malaysia, which 25% of their population is Chinese, to side with them as a classic 'divide and conquer' tactic. China will become more involved in race relations in Malaysia and may even use anti-Chinese riots as a pretext to invade in order to protect Chinese people.

that is you illusion. the americans and the west have been exercising the 'divide and conquer" rule in Asia and everywhere - live and sound

On the other hand the Philippines will not agree on bilateral talks with China, as we all know how your country can stealthily work an upper hand by intimidation, misrepresentation, and all sorts of bullying tactics to press its preposterous illusion of sovereignty over these territorial waters. Let the UNCLOS take its course over the matter and the US consistent backing is no less timely and highly important.

UNCLO can do no jack to the territorial affairs

We are not bullying anyone. And you have to stop bullying our fishermen captured under your infringement of territorial rights pretext.

We have our methods of claiming the territories back. All your accusations are irrelevant however!

Time ‘ripe’ for Asean, China code of conduct — Phl
(The Philippine Star) | Updated April 18, 2013

MANILA, Philippines - The time is “ripe” for the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) ....was also able to appoint

OMG is this a pic of our Diaoyu Islands?

What do our Diaoyu Islands have to do with ASEAN and the philippines?

I will suggest your government to save the energy and concentrate on your internal problems

No-one with the exception of cheerleading americans, indians, some HK righwingers and a few english-literate vietnamese will read it.

 

[jhungary]

what is "loading off"
who is carrying the load in the first place
you wrote: "the Actual Chinese leadership is not as incompetent like some of the Member here" - I correct it as"
" the us politicians are hawkishly incompetent and in any case are not as foolish as many of the non-Chinese flagged trolls here".

Once in a million times your are correct in delineating the S China Sea from the Pacific.

haha "campaign" are we going for a 'blood donation campaign"!

beautiful english "face American in American ships" what a great comedy line!

what is "not too engage and not to coarse?" - your "HKenglish" never fail to supply new meanings to modern english

who is "we" - HK, China, Sweden, uk, usa, or elsewhere?

did the americans say they have never left the Pacific? what do you mean "not dragging them in"? do you see them having military drills around the clock in the Pacific making provocations?

Your stupidity never stopped to amaze me. Ok, I will mate you in three now.

what is "loading off"
who is carrying the load in the first place
you wrote: "the Actual Chinese leadership is not as incompetent like some of the Member here" - I correct it as"
" the us politicians are hawkishly incompetent and in any case are not as foolish as many of the non-Chinese flagged trolls here".

Loading off = Pissing off, a slang that come from the phase "Take a load off", but I guess not-even-High-School-Standard Chinese will not know this. Fair Enough

By the way, that would be the worse grammar I have ever seen, even during the time I teach ESL in the local learning annex.

But then what's the point?? If I correct you, then you will start to write proper, what's the fun with it then??

Once in a million times your are correct in delineating the S China Sea from the Pacific

Only once in a millions? Com'on, you can do better than that eh?

haha "campaign" are we going for a 'blood donation campaign"!

Honestly you guys will need it once you **** off with the wrong tail here. There will be Chinese blood flow among the SCS and paint the whole SCS red, and that day on, SCS have to be refer to as South Chinese Blood Sea.

Make an effort now, before most Chinese was killed in the ensued conflict

beautiful english "face American in American ships" what a great comedy line!

Well, because Chinese in Chinese ship is rubbish. And rubbish is ugly LMAFO

what is "not too engage and not to coarse?" - your "HKenglish" never fail to supply new meanings to modern English

Dictionary is your friend when you have a low to no vocab base.

who is "we" - HK, China, Sweden, uk, usa, or elsewhere?

did the americans say they have never left the Pacific? what do you mean "not dragging them in"? do you see them having military drills around the clock in the Pacific making provocations?

Lol we = we, no need to explain who we are talking about here, if you think you need to react to provocation, please do attack us, "we" will let you see what is war and what is provocation.

And did you say you want to down our 10 billion $ CBG? Well, just do it, it may even be fun, maybe I will reenlist in the Navy just to kill your Fellow Chinese then LOL. But beware, the moment you sink our CBG, that is, if you manage to do it, that mean we are at war. Our remaining 5 CBG with a combine ship of 25 Ageis Destroyer, 7 Cruiser and 10 Frigate will fire 1000 Cruise missile toward you China land. As well as our allied in the Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Philippine. I would think Vietnam would be more than gladly to punish you as well. So, by then, I hope you don't live in the eastern seaboard in China, as there will be inferno. LOL

I may re-enlist and join the US Navy, I would have fun killing those Chinese sailor.

 

[shuttler]

Your stupidity never stopped to amaze me. Ok, I will mate you in three now.
.....

I may re-enlist and join the US Navy, I would have fun killing those Chinese sailor.

my answers to your hk right wing nonsense here:

post no 113

 

[jhungary]

my answers to your trash here:

post no 113

lol One big moron cannot even copy and paste on the same thread

ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEM FOLLOWING SIMPLE INSTRUCTION??

It's maybe high time to visit your doctor again.

Let me quote matthew perry from Friends.
-OH MY GOD !!!!!

how are you going to defend the SCS if you manage to copy and paste your reply on the wrong thread??

 

[Soryu]

Chinese bla bla bla ... is best weapon of them ....