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Drone strikes in Pakistan (not to mention Yemen, Somalia and possibly other countries) have increased markedly since June 2004. According to a just-published study by two American law schools, the number of civilian deaths are far greater than acknowledged by the administration. The strikes raise serious questions as to their legality under both international and domestic law. The constant hovering of drones over local communities creates a climate of fear among the general population. Inciting anti-American sentiment, U.S. drones and their increasing strikes are an effective recruiting tool for terrorist groups.

Living Under Drones: Death, Injury, and Trauma to Civilians from U.S. Drone Practices in Pakistan (LUD) is the result of a nine month investigation by the International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic at Stanford Law School and the International Human Rights and the Global Justice Clinic of the New York University School of Law. The authors call for greater government transparency, compensation for civilians harmed by the attacks and reevaluation of US drone policy. The issues they raise warrant urgent attention by both Congress and the Executive Branch.

Separate bills now being advanced by Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Reps. Ed Markey (D-Mass) and Ted Poe (R-Tex.) seek to regulate the domestic use of drones. They are essentially privacy bills that would establish safeguards on the surveillance of U.S. citizens and residents. Meanwhile, President Obama signed an FAA bill in February that gave a go-ahead to integrate drones into the country’s airspace by 2015.

The CIA’s use of U.S. drones in military actions is unregulated and only recently acknowledged by the administration. As the LUD report highlights, there is an almost total lack of transparency regarding civilian casualties and other aspects of the program. There has been notable absence of public debate on drone strikes; the president’s recent interview statements amount to no more than “trust me.” While the administration announces the deaths of high-level militants with fanfare, the LUD concludes that the number of such targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is only “about 2%.”

At the same time, the report says that US drones have killed or injured innocent civilians in numbers that defy administration claims that such casualties are “exceedingly rare.” The LUD report cites figures published by the independent, London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism showing that drone strikes from June 2004 to September, 2012 killed more than 2,500 Pakistanis, of whom between 474 and 881 were civilians, including 176 children. The report condemns the CIA practice of “double-tap,” the second striking of a target to hit or discourage first responders.

Beyond the immediate death and destruction of the drone attacks is the constant fear that 24/7 drone surveillance creates among the villagers in North Waziristan. As one of the residents told report interviewers “Strikes are always on our minds. That is why people don’t go out to schools, because they are afraid that they may be the next ones to be hit.” According to the report, “Drones hover twenty-four hours a day over communities in northwest Pakistan, striking homes, vehicles and public spaces without warning. Their presence terrorizes men, women and children, giving rise to anxieties among civilian communities.” Not surprisingly, the report later concludes that drone attacks help terrorist groups attract new recruits.

The LUD questions the legality of the drone strikes. Unless the Pakistani government has consented (doubtful based on current evidence), they clearly violate national sovereignty. Nor would a claim of self-defense satisfy international law standards under Article 51 of the UN Charter, which requires “armed attack” for such justification. If the actions qualify as “armed conflict,” they would run afoul several provisions of the international humanitarian law. Absent “armed conflict,” the limits of international human rights law would apply. US drone policy may also violate US domestic law, which prohibits assassination and limits executive power.

Living Under Drones is a wake up call for Congress and the president. The LUD report says that US drone policy needs serious “rethinking.” Americans alarmed by the targeted killings (akin to actions of a mob hit squad) and the collateral deaths, injuries and property losses suffered by innocent civilians, would go further. Congress should prohibit CIA deployment of drones in civilian areas and fix standards for drone use that comply with both international and domestic law.



How is it hurting our sovereignty if the Waziristanis dont follow our laws?? Why dont we just rain hell on the Waziristani people??


Someone needs to teach these people, its our laws or nothing
 
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Why dont we just rain hell on the Waziristani people?? Someone needs to teach these people, its our laws or nothing
Wow! So you want to 'rain hell' and kill your own people? :disagree:

Anyway, the Yanks are already doing it for you.
 
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jellodragon; I can only see Hate with-in, your last comments are not related to the Article you posted.

Do you follow Law, I pretty much doubt it, neither Political Parties. Why don't you say Pakistanis need to be taught a lesson.
 
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jellodragon; I can only see Hate with-in, your last comments are not related to the Article you posted.

Do you follow Law, I pretty much doubt it, neither Political Parties. Why don't you say Pakistanis need to be taught a lesson.

They are not Pakistani... Most of them are Afghans who are now spreading extremism and regrouping and then sending back to Afghanistan.. We must fix this problem, and show them who's top dog, our govt is selling us out, and Imran Khan will do the same thing

Wow! So you want to 'rain hell' and kill your own people? :disagree:

Anyway, the Yanks are already doing it for you.

Most of them are Afghans or Talibans anyways
 
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They are not Pakistani... Most of them are Afghans who are now spreading extremism and regrouping and then sending back to Afghanistan.. We must fix this problem, and show them who's top dog, our govt is selling us out, and Imran Khan will do the same thing



Most of them are Afghans or Talibans anyways

But P in TTP is Pakistan. I think many of them are Pakistan.
 
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How is it hurting our sovereignty if the Waziristanis dont follow our laws?? Why dont we just rain hell on the Waziristani people??


Someone needs to teach these people, its our laws or nothing

Even without the drones in perspective,pakistan is doing great injustice to those pak citizens in that area who are denied of legal protection by the state,proper education,infra structure etc for the sake of some pathan gangs and tribal elders who enact their own laws according to their whims and fantacies..What kind of sovereignity is that?And when some of them harbors terrorists from afghanistan,arabia,chechnia,xinjiang and god knows where else,and they attack NATO/Afghan,and NATO retaliate with drones..Who is to be blamed for the collateral damage..?NATO or pakistan,who created the so called "lawless areas"in the first place..?Had the writ of govt been established there,there wouldn't be any armed groups harboring all those afghan,arab,chechen,terrorists and there would be no reason for drone strikes..
 
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Its legal because the Pakistani govt. has given approval and its an armed conflict. They attack ISAF bound convoys. And they attack in Afghanistan before running back to Pakistan.
 
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Its legal because the Pakistani govt. has given approval and its an armed conflict. They attack ISAF bound convoys. And they attack in Afghanistan before running back to Pakistan.

Once we remember UN and US itself was a great sign of peace and justice was used to stop wars and decrease hate which made them unique with good image Americans were loved and respected every where but after 911 mysterious jewish conspiracy for invading free states capturing there resources oil hunger the whole world pointing us specially for not punishing the key responsibles of blasphemous hatred movie which increased muslim rage in all world end discrimination live safe but after Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria,libya, Jordan, Yemen,Drones,Wars etc etc stop it. its enough israel should not rule usA only american people both from christianity and islam 2 biggest religions in the world have the right to choose right and wrong not even there congress and station chiefs democracy is not to impose one man rule over the world or its nation and to obey him or her but it mean for the people and by the people but who cares?????
 
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Someone needs to spank the living out of you ! They are our own flesh & blood and they will be cherished as such; the government is already doing a lousy of protecting them now in the present & developing those areas in the past.
 
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When you will have their people including children killed in cold-blood by covertly allowing Americans to carry out drone strikes then dont whine if they kill your mighty brave warriors of islamic fauj of Pakistan or the bloody civilians like us. :P
 
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Drone strikes in Pakistan (not to mention Yemen, Somalia and possibly other countries) have increased markedly since June 2004. According to a just-published study by two American law schools, the number of civilian deaths are far greater than acknowledged by the administration. The strikes raise serious questions as to their legality under both international and domestic law. The constant hovering of drones over local communities creates a climate of fear among the general population. Inciting anti-American sentiment, U.S. drones and their increasing strikes are an effective recruiting tool for terrorist groups.

Living Under Drones: Death, Injury, and Trauma to Civilians from U.S. Drone Practices in Pakistan (LUD) is the result of a nine month investigation by the International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic at Stanford Law School and the International Human Rights and the Global Justice Clinic of the New York University School of Law. The authors call for greater government transparency, compensation for civilians harmed by the attacks and reevaluation of US drone policy. The issues they raise warrant urgent attention by both Congress and the Executive Branch.

Separate bills now being advanced by Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Reps. Ed Markey (D-Mass) and Ted Poe (R-Tex.) seek to regulate the domestic use of drones. They are essentially privacy bills that would establish safeguards on the surveillance of U.S. citizens and residents. Meanwhile, President Obama signed an FAA bill in February that gave a go-ahead to integrate drones into the country’s airspace by 2015.

The CIA’s use of U.S. drones in military actions is unregulated and only recently acknowledged by the administration. As the LUD report highlights, there is an almost total lack of transparency regarding civilian casualties and other aspects of the program. There has been notable absence of public debate on drone strikes; the president’s recent interview statements amount to no more than “trust me.” While the administration announces the deaths of high-level militants with fanfare, the LUD concludes that the number of such targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is only “about 2%.”

At the same time, the report says that US drones have killed or injured innocent civilians in numbers that defy administration claims that such casualties are “exceedingly rare.” The LUD report cites figures published by the independent, London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism showing that drone strikes from June 2004 to September, 2012 killed more than 2,500 Pakistanis, of whom between 474 and 881 were civilians, including 176 children. The report condemns the CIA practice of “double-tap,” the second striking of a target to hit or discourage first responders.

Beyond the immediate death and destruction of the drone attacks is the constant fear that 24/7 drone surveillance creates among the villagers in North Waziristan. As one of the residents told report interviewers “Strikes are always on our minds. That is why people don’t go out to schools, because they are afraid that they may be the next ones to be hit.” According to the report, “Drones hover twenty-four hours a day over communities in northwest Pakistan, striking homes, vehicles and public spaces without warning. Their presence terrorizes men, women and children, giving rise to anxieties among civilian communities.” Not surprisingly, the report later concludes that drone attacks help terrorist groups attract new recruits.

The LUD questions the legality of the drone strikes. Unless the Pakistani government has consented (doubtful based on current evidence), they clearly violate national sovereignty. Nor would a claim of self-defense satisfy international law standards under Article 51 of the UN Charter, which requires “armed attack” for such justification. If the actions qualify as “armed conflict,” they would run afoul several provisions of the international humanitarian law. Absent “armed conflict,” the limits of international human rights law would apply. US drone policy may also violate US domestic law, which prohibits assassination and limits executive power.

Living Under Drones is a wake up call for Congress and the president. The LUD report says that US drone policy needs serious “rethinking.” Americans alarmed by the targeted killings (akin to actions of a mob hit squad) and the collateral deaths, injuries and property losses suffered by innocent civilians, would go further. Congress should prohibit CIA deployment of drones in civilian areas and fix standards for drone use that comply with both international and domestic law.



How is it hurting our sovereignty if the Waziristanis dont follow our laws?? Why dont we just rain hell on the Waziristani people??


Someone needs to teach these people, its our laws or nothing

Mohajir alert !
 
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Once we remember UN and US itself was a great sign of peace and justice was used to stop wars and decrease hate which made them unique with good image Americans were loved and respected every where but after 911 mysterious jewish conspiracy for invading free states capturing there resources oil hunger the whole world pointing us specially for not punishing the key responsibles of blasphemous hatred movie which increased muslim rage in all world end discrimination live safe but after Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria,libya, Jordan, Yemen,Drones,Wars etc etc stop it. its enough israel should not rule usA only american people both from christianity and islam 2 biggest religions in the world have the right to choose right and wrong not even there congress and station chiefs democracy is not to impose one man rule over the world or its nation and to obey him or her but it mean for the people and by the people but who cares?????

This is the longest sentence i've ever read..
 
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