Some explanations why China constrains freedom of expression

[nahtanbob]

North Korea is 0% descended from Chinese and removed socialism from their constitution. They don't listen to Chinese music, watch Chinese TV, etc. What do they have to do with Chinese?

They have far less in common with Chinese than US has in common with Liberia and Phillipines, which also have rap culture, basketball culture, watch American movies and TV, etc.

@kankan326 Does North Korea take care of its people's interests ?

 

[Globenim]

China controlls political inended speech and expressions not significantly different than the vocal minorities loudly preaching about "free speech" while not having any of their own like the U.S.A. or Britain, but from the position of a only recently emerging and still developing country. Speech and expression in China has never been more lax since the revolution and the only reason is because China has managed to route extreme poverty, developed sovereign media, extensively studied social dynamics, gained economic and military prowess including intelligence services and political management to propery prevent and handle instability and resist foreign subversion.

Theres no need for justification or rationalizing it for others.

There's no country with absolute freedom of speech or expression.
I learn that a few years ago.

You live in a society, and a society has rules, absolute freedom is impossible.

True, free speech debates are always skewed by the same bogus premises produced by a vocal minority spouting dishonest and selfdeluding propganda and drivel for centuries over the head of millions and billions that had no opportunity or privilege to voice their own opinion or even concern themself with such expressions while struggling to heed their instincts to stay alive for another day slaving away on some white guys cotton farm or post colonial cobalt mine. A vocal minority claiming yet another highground over imaginary ideals they themself never upheld, but in fact categorically reject and bat no eye to attack if they feel impacted or like they can just get away with it.

 

[kankan326]

@kankan326 Does North Korea take care of its people's interests ?

Of course. Before 1980, North Korea had better living standard than South Korea. Kim government doesn't want N. Koreans to be in poverty and starvation either. US sanction is the main reason for its bad economy. Kim also urged US to cancel the sanction.

 

[Iñigo]

American ... Demo-crazy / Drama-cracy

It is a branch of the entertainment industry since around 1991/2000

Professor Chalmer Johnson believed that the American political system would classically evolve into a type of military dictatorship because it is the largest military empire the face of the earth has ever seen. ThutMoses III and Tiglath-Pileser III were amateurs by comparison

And yet, to everyone's surprise, it has evolved without following the patterns of the past, but in its own way: the entertainment industry.

Chalmers Johnson - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[mudas777]

Tell us whose interests does North Korean regime represent

Are you like shifting sand some one is discussing China here and you are bringing in the Korea. Typical Indian good in circling round and round just to suit their own agenda.

 

[Iñigo]

In America the ruling class needs two commercial teams because the population is divided into two nations, two cultures, two identities. In China the ruling class needs only one political party because there is only one nation. This tight summary is just that, a very tight summary, but I think it is a good starting point in the discussion of this issue

 

[kuge]

There's no country with absolute freedom of speech or expression.
I learn that a few years ago.

You live in a society, and a society has rules, absolute freedom is impossible.

yes there is if one person only rule in an island...or home

 

[beijingwalker]

@kankan326 Does North Korea take care of its people's interests ?

What does North Korea have anything to do with China? there are over 100 so called democratic countries in this world, is everyone of them exactly like US?

 

[Polestar 2]

West is not entirely free either. That is the reason Julian Assange in jail and Edward snowden is still hiding.

If you step on the toes of western, you will have no freedom. Western freedom of speech is selective.

 

[tower9]

Tell us whose interests does North Korean regime represent

Not all authoritarian regimes are the same. China's system is meritocratic and delivers results. The Chinese people believe in their system because they have seen the miracles performed and they are logical and understand what the situation is. North Korea is like a royal dynasty.

Just like not all democracies are the same, Denmark has a well run system while India is a completely corrupt shithole where the people are left to rot.

 

[nahtanbob]

Of course. Before 1980, North Korea had better living standard than South Korea. Kim government doesn't want N. Koreans to be in poverty and starvation either. US sanction is the main reason for its bad economy. Kim also urged US to cancel the sanction.

What does American sanctions have to do with North Korea ? North Korea never traded with USA

Not all authoritarian regimes are the same. China's system is meritocratic and delivers results. The Chinese people believe in their system because they have seen the miracles performed and they are logical and understand what the situation is. North Korea is like a royal dynasty.

Just like not all democracies are the same, Denmark has a well run system while India is a completely corrupt shithole where the people are left to rot.

This is @kankan326 statement
This is very naive way of thinking. Any government, whether it is democratic or not, has to care every group of people's interest if it wants to last long.

I will let @kankan326 and others figure out

What does North Korea have anything to do with China? there are over 100 so called democratic countries in this world, is everyone of them exactly like US?

Even North Korea calls itself
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Your comrade made the quote:
Any government, whether it is democratic or not, has to care every group of people's interest if it wants to last long.

 

[tower9]

What does American sanctions have to do with North Korea ? North Korea never traded with USA


This is @kankan326 statement
This is very naive way of thinking. Any government, whether it is democratic or not, has to care every group of people's interest if it wants to last long.

I will let @kankan326 and others figure out


Even North Korea calls itself
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Your comrade made the quote:
Any government, whether it is democratic or not, has to care every group of people's interest if it wants to last long.

I don't care what he said. I am just explaining the situation to you.

 

[Zsari]

1, An ancient Chinese fable: Two brothers saw a wild goose was about to fly over their heads. The older brother fitted a arrow to his bow and said:"If I shoot it down, we will stew it". The younger brother quickly held his bow. "No. It would be better to roast it". The brothers could not agree with each other. They asked an old man for advice. The old man said:" Easy. Cut the wild goose into two. Stew one half. Roast the other half." "Sounds great." The older brother picked up his bow and looked up the sky. The wild goose had flown far away.

This fable pretty much explains the awkward situation of democratic countries. Too much freedom of expression. Too much argument. Too many interest groups. Everyone wants biggest share of the cake. Eventually everyone would be victim of inefficient governance. Just shut up for your own good. If the world were ruled by Chinese government, the covid virus would have been "genocided" in several months. We are all victim of freedom at this point.

2, "No vote, no right? No voice, no care?" This is very naive way of thinking. Any government, whether it is democratic or not, has to care every group of people's interest if it wants to last long. The real responsible government should make interest distribution plan by precision calculations based on the country's long term development, regardless some people's interest would be inevitably compromised. Should not by the louder voice, lobby group or political donation. Voice must be constrained for the sake of country's overall interest.

Censoring voice means government knows/cares the strength of ordinary people's voice. Free expression means nobody is listening. Without western freedom of expression or street protest, Chinese government has 1000 ways to know what Chinese people are concerning. This is Chinese government working style: Silently watches when people pointed out a problem and silently gets problem solved if it is solvable. For example, low income people are treated well in China even though they don't have vote or never protested. China barely has any homeless people. Poor Americans can occupy Wall Street. But who cares them?

3, State owned government VS private government. Quite opposite to economic factor, democratic countries have state owned governments. China has private government. Democratic governments have all flaws state owned companies have. The president himself is an employee. Just like other employees, being criticized is part of his job. He has limited liability to the country. One president screwed things up. Change another one. The new president doesn't have responsibility to fix the messes left by last president, Neither has to pave way for next president. Chinese government has clear ownership. The CCP. It has unlimited liability for the country. Chinese people know who they should blame or talk to whenever they have problems. The government has to be cautious for every policy and has to make long-term consistent policies instead of pursuing immediate output. Like all private companies, employees and shareholders should avoid interfering or judging the management team. Leave the country management to the politicians.

4, China is being stared by greedy and malicious eyes. For not even a second US and its pawns have given up the idea of instigating color revolution in China to overthrow Chinese government and in turn rob China by establishing a "free" China. China is the NO.1 target of US propaganda machine. I don't even need to explain more about this. There are too many fabricated stories and lies about China. Any discontent sentiment in China will be immediately amplified by west media.

China's political system is superior than west's. But like every coin has two sides. It also has cost/shortcomings. People have to sacrifice part of their freedom. No pain, no gain. Very natural thing. The west is keen on attacking China from this point. This is like basket ball players mocking football players' height. They are playing different game, idiot! Individualism is the lowest moral standard because it's out of pure personal demands. Collectivism stands on a higher moral level because it contains self constraint and dedication.

It's quiet pointless to explain to those that are indoctrinated by the neo-liberal agenda. As long as the system produces better result, the result will be far more convincing than any explanation. Just let the naysayer consume by their own hatred as China progresses towards a better future. Approval from them is not necessary.

 

[kankan326]

This is @kankan326 statement
This is very naive way of thinking. Any government, whether it is democratic or not, has to care every group of people's interest if it wants to last long.

I will let @kankan326 and others figure out

N.Korea government has two threats. One is outside threat. US and S.Korea never promised it would not invade N.Korea. The other one is inside pressure. Kim government is in a position most countries are not in. It has to put big part of its resources on military for survival. Therefore less resources on N.Koreans. US sanction(other countries will be sanctioned if they do business with N.Korea) makes the situation worse.

This is the dilemma Kim government is facing: If it puts too much resources on military, his regime won't last long. If it puts too much resources on its people, his regime won't last long either.

 

[beijingwalker]

Even North Korea calls itself
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

How what they call themselves has anything to do with China? there are over 100 so called democratic countries in this world, is everyone of them exactly like US? Hitler climbed his political ladder through democratic elections, does it mean US is the same as Nazi Germany?