Some Explanation on the Naraynganj River Port Terminal

[eastwatch]

Unfortunately @Loki has closed the relevant thread below before I could study the description of the tender floated by India's Ministry of External Affairs.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...erminal-narayanganj-without-notifying-bd.html

1) The first point to be noted. This tender was called by the MEA of India (not by any domestic affairs ministry of India) for feasibility study work in a FOREIGN country named Bangladesh.

2) The GoI has a stake in the port project because it will be used for its East/West transport of goods via this container terminal. GoI is also supposed to finance the project.

3) Other main points are cited below which are the excerpts from the link sent by @CaPtAiN_pLaNeT:

"a) Background
Kumudini Welfare Trust of Bengal Ltd. (KWTB), Bangladesh, owns approximately 46
acres of land in Narayanganj, on the bank of Sitalakhya River. They have shown interest in
establishing an Inland Container Port on this land jointly with an Indian Partner
having experience in setting and operating Inland Ports.

Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) wants to undertake a techno-commercial feasibility study
for this proposed project. MEA is therefore, inviting bids for submission of proposals for
conducting “Techno-Commercial Feasibility Study for Setting up an Inland Container Port
Narayanganj, Bangladesh”.

b) Scope of Work
The objective of the study is to examine the need and prepare a Techno-Commercial
Feasibility Report (TCFR) for setting up an inland container port at Narayanganj,
Bangladesh. The project entails traffic study and financial appraisal and preparation of a
detailed report to achieve the objective."

The above discussion shows the following:

1) Kumudini Trust has requested the Indian MEA/Embassy to do the feasibility study and make assessment of the project on its land. MEA is only doing what it is supposed to do at the moment, only the feasibility study.

2) MEA will certainly not conduct any field works before it gets permission from the GoB.

3) I believe, MEA will sit with the GoB and discuss and finalize the amount of financing to the construction of the project. MEAI cannot do it unless a project study report is prepared. The study report will also contain the quantity survey of all the jobs required to complete the project.

4) In the second step the GoI will extend credit/loan to the GoB and the latter will allow Kumudini to call tender for construction.

5) However, the present feasibility study (FS) report may say the site owned by Kumudini is not suitable. In that case, the GoI will request the GoB to find out other sites on which also the MEA will conduct similar FS.

I do not believe this MEAI action has anything to with infringing with the BD sovereignty.

 

[illusion8]

Bang on.

As said the tender's for a feasibility study - in essence to work out whether the project is feasible or not.

 

[mb444]

Unfortunately @Loki has closed the relevant thread below before I could study the description of the tender floated by India's Ministry of External Affairs.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...erminal-narayanganj-without-notifying-bd.html

1) The first point to be noted. This tender was called by the MEA of India (not by any domestic affairs ministry of India) for feasibility study work in a FOREIGN country named Bangladesh.

2) The GoI has a stake in the port project because it will be used for its East/West transport of goods via this container terminal. GoI is also supposed to finance the project.

3) Other main points are cited below which are the excerpts from the link sent by @CaPtAiN_pLaNeT:

"a) Background
Kumudini Welfare Trust of Bengal Ltd. (KWTB), Bangladesh, owns approximately 46
acres of land in Narayanganj, on the bank of Sitalakhya River. They have shown interest in
establishing an Inland Container Port on this land jointly with an Indian Partner
having experience in setting and operating Inland Ports.

Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) wants to undertake a techno-commercial feasibility study
for this proposed project. MEA is therefore, inviting bids for submission of proposals for
conducting “Techno-Commercial Feasibility Study for Setting up an Inland Container Port
Narayanganj, Bangladesh”.

b) Scope of Work
The objective of the study is to examine the need and prepare a Techno-Commercial
Feasibility Report (TCFR) for setting up an inland container port at Narayanganj,
Bangladesh. The project entails traffic study and financial appraisal and preparation of a
detailed report to achieve the objective."

The above discussion shows the following:

1) Kumudini Trust has requested the Indian MEA/Embassy to do the feasibility study and make assessment of the project on its land. MEA is only doing what it is supposed to do at the moment, only the feasibility study.

2) MEA will certainly not conduct any field works before it gets permission from the GoB.

3) I believe, MEA will sit with the GoB and discuss and finalize the amount of financing to the construction of the project. MEAI cannot do it unless a project study report is prepared. The study report will also contain the quantity survey of all the jobs required to complete the project.

4) In the second step the GoI will extend credit/loan to the GoB and the latter will allow Kumudini to call tender for construction.

5) However, the present feasibility study (FS) report may say the site owned by Kumudini is not suitable. In that case, the GoI will request the GoB to find out other sites on which also the MEA will conduct similar FS.

I do not believe this MEAI action has anything to with infringing with the BD sovereignty.

You lack basic understanding of what a feasibility study is supposed to achieve. Your explanation is self contradictory.

Without fieldwork no conclusion is possible, you would need to understand the lay of the land, the existing infrastructure, the local political, economic, environmenal and social conditions. You can not do this on paper in absence of local knowledge and imperical on the ground gathered information.

Project analysis is based on analysis of risk and potential returns- a feasibility study will primarily concentrate on macro-economic and political considerations but it will still need to be done at source.

 

[eastwatch]

You lack basic understanding of what a feasibility study is supposed to achieve. Your explanation is self contradictory.

Without fieldwork no conclusion is possible, you would need to understand the lay of the land, the existing infrastructure, the local political, economic, environmenal and social conditions. You can not do this on paper in absence of local knowledge and imperical on the ground gathered information.

Project analysis is based on analysis of risk and potential returns- a feasibility study will primarily concentrate on macro-economic and political considerations but it will still need to be done at source.

I do not lack basic knowledge on the FS. It is you who lacks the basic understanding of English. So, first go to an English Language School and then read my post again. Where did I say an FS does not require field work and survey? And why my explanation is self-contradictory?

So, learn also how to open the link sent by @CaPtAiN_pLaNeT. Read it carefully, everything is written there. Why should I repeat those sentences? Do not talk like an a*shole as if you know everything. Empty vessel sounds much. Does this proverb sounds anything in your ear?

 

[mb444]

I do not lack basic knowledge on the FS. It is you who lacks the basic understanding of English. So, first go to an English Language School and then read my post again. Where did I say an FS does not require field work and survey? And why my explanation is self-contradictory?

So, learn also how to open the link sent by @CaPtAiN_pLaNeT. Read it carefully, everything is written there. Why should I repeat those sentences? Do not talk like an a*shole as if you know everything. Empty vessel sounds much. Does this proverb sounds anything in your ear?

No, you do lack basic understanding as your reaction clearly shows. You tried to deflect the primary thrust of the earlier thread that Indians are infringing on BD sovereignty by starting tendering work on BD soil.

Your point are self contradictory as you summarise in your point 2 where you claim no fieldwork will be carried out without BD approval, in point 3 you claim financing can not be agreed unless the feasibility study is carried out. So Indians initiates feasibility study without BD approval and wont agree finance unless it is done. Is it not therefore an infringement on BD sovereignty as the point of the study would be to quantify benefit for India and not BD. Your specific point that this is all above board does not hold. A feasibility project has been initiated in BD territory by a foreign power without BD approval which will be intrusive in nature and where the interest if BD is subservient to Indias. The main argument of the original thread is proved although you sought to prove it otherwise.

On a side topic thank you for suggesting I go to an English school. Having had majority of my education in actual English schools universities etc I did not realise my command of English remains below par

 

[LaBong]

So we need to have bd permission just to carry feasibility study? Napoleon complex much?

 

[the just]

So we need to have bd permission just to carry feasibility study? Napoleon complex much?

Na na you guys don't need any kind of permission. Its a free land ,any moron can come and go as he please.so you are saying we can enter India and conduct a feasibility study of Farakka and Teesta as we see fit?
Dude,you are done for,where is your raw thugs in PDF?

 

[eastwatch]

So we need to have bd permission just to carry feasibility study? Napoleon complex much?

Do not say stupid things like India can do any field study and prepare a FS without being permitted by the GoB. In the present case I stated that may be Kumidini has requested, but the newspaper wrote today that the Shipping Minister Shahjahan Khan has already given permission to India.

In my 1st post I wrote that no actual field/feasibility investigation/survey/study must wait the permission from the GoB. I also wrote that Kumudini may have requested for such an investigation and Indian MEA has called tender to select only a consulting firm to do a future FS on a project in BD that will be financed by India.

So, I ask @mb444 why he should make personal attack by saying that I do not know anything about a FS. This is he who does not understand how a FS work is done. Is he a professional in this field? Now, he is camouflaging his ignorance by saying other irrelevant things in his answer to my post.

I ask him to state the reasons for his personal attacks being himself ignorant. Or I demand he better withdraw his stupid personal attack.

 

[LaBong]

Do not say stupid things like India can do any field study and prepare a FS without being permitted by the GoB. In the present case I stated that may be Kumidini has requested, but the newspaper wrote today that the Shipping Minister Shahjahan Khan has already given permission to India.

MEA or the company which will win the tender will take permission if any field work is at all required. However there's no need to notify Bangladesh just to float tender for feasibility study.

Na na you guys don't need any kind of permission. Its a free land ,any moron can come and go as he please.so you are saying we can enter India and conduct a feasibility study of Farakka and Teesta as we see fit?
Dude,you are done for,where is your raw thugs in PDF?

You seem to be quite dense, why don't give brief explanation of your harangue in your native tongue, it'll be easier for me to understand.

 

[idune]

Mir Jafar also had sidekicks who were helping him in deception while handing over sovereignty of Bengal to foreigners. Today it is no different, people like eastwatch help (in internet medium) Indo Awami League deception for handing over Bangladesh sovereignty to india.
Interesting thing is activity of Kumidini trust and eastwach use of Kumidini Trust invitation as rationale for indian infringement on Bangladesh sovereignty.

BUT FACT is Kumidini Trust clearly violated Bangladesh sovereignty and over steeped constitutional boundary as business entity and its executives as individuals (Rajiv Prasad Shaha) by inviting a foreign country (in this case india) to build or even conduct feasibility study for building port. Port is not something any business entity legally entitled to build, let alone any international port. From its anti state action, Kumidini Trust proven to be another indian sleeper cell under guise of "welfare".

 

[mb444]

Do not say stupid things like India can do any field study and prepare a FS without being permitted by the GoB. In the present case I stated that may be Kumidini has requested, but the newspaper wrote today that the Shipping Minister Shahjahan Khan has already given permission to India.

In my 1st post I wrote that no actual field/feasibility investigation/survey/study must wait the permission from the GoB. I also wrote that Kumudini may have requested for such an investigation and Indian MEA has called tender to select only a consulting firm to do a future FS on a project in BD that will be financed by India.

So, I ask @mb444 why he should make personal attack by saying that I do not know anything about a FS. This is he who does not understand how a FS work is done. Is he a professional in this field? Now, he is camouflaging his ignorance by saying other irrelevant things in his answer to my post.

I ask him to state the reasons for his personal attacks being himself ignorant. Or I demand he better withdraw his stupid personal attack.

I am a professional in this field to answer your question east watch. In terms of personal attack none was meant. I just simply stated that you do not understand the implication of this action nor do you understand the mechanism or purpose of feasibility study and I fully stand by that.

Indians will undertake this FS purely from their perspective and will finance it should it fullfil their purpose. BAL is selling out BDs interest again, the study will not take into consideration BD interest. Your failure to connect the dots I had assumed came from not fully realising the raison d'être of a feasibility study and who finances it.