Solving Pakistan-India conflict with rational and realpolitikal approach!

[PoKeMon]

Actually it is just a bogey and many of the more knowledgeable ones know that already.

It is just to sell to the domestic audience that they have some kind of plan and some kind of support. It has nothing to do with the reality but it serves the purpose and so the myth lives on.

To add to that, the insecurity they inherit generation to generation because of false existential crisis (Evil India) cause them to look for some sort of safety umbrella. Meanwhile the big brother use them to their own good. Pakistan, at most times, fights other's war.

 

[third eye]

True. But I never understood why India let Bangladesh or former East Pakistan get independent when it could easily be part of Indian Union after fall of Dacca in 1971?

India has never coveted what is not legit.

Besides, by making EP India in one stroke it would have imbalanced the demographics of the nation, why would India want to do this ?

 

[Vinod2070]

To add to that, the insecurity they inherit generation to generation because of false existential crisis (Evil India) cause them to look for some sort of safety umbrella. Meanwhile the big brother use them to their own good. Pakistan, at most times, fights other's war.

It at least gives them the impression.

It joined all the anti communist blocs with USA but the target was always India and it never fulfilled it's commitments to those blocs. The obsession with India has made it a client state of USA, China and Saudi, all at the same time. The Saudi decision has major domestic ramifications including the anti Shia violence.

Anyway, their choice of what they want to do with their country. We need to work to prevent any fallout on India.

India has never coveted what is not legit.

Besides, by making EP India in one stroke it would have imbalanced the demographics of the nation, why would India want to do this ?

I don't think anyone in India ever thought of such a thing.

We don't want anything from Pakistan or Bangladesh. Not their territory and certainly not their people. No disrespect meant.

 

[PoKeMon]

It at least gives them the impression.

It joined all the anti communist blocs with USA but the target was always India and it never fulfilled it's commitments to those blocs. The obsession with India has made it a client state of USA, China and Saudi, all at the same time. The Saudi decision has major domestic ramifications including the anti Shia violence.

Anyway, their choice of what they want to do with their country. We need to work to prevent any fallout on India.

They actually invested themselves for the day when India will invade them. Unfortunately the day never came, and the big brothers dont appear in partial ones.

Having said that, Indian potential has been the victim of same mindset, albeit to much lesser extent. We too never utilized ourselves to the best and most of the time kept hostage to hostility.

 

[Vinod2070]

They actually invested themselves for the day when India will invade them. Unfortunately the day never came, and the big brothers dont appear in partial ones.

Having said that, Indian potential has been the victim of same mindset, albeit to much lesser extent. We too never utilized ourselves to the best and most of the time kept hostage to hostility.

Hopefully this is a thing for the past for us now.

We need to achieve our potential for our own sake. And we will do that for sure.

 

[INDIC]

In light of recent revelations from my present country Norway, its been revealed from the capital Oslo that Nobel Peace Prize for 2014 went to 17-year-old Pakistani Malala Yousafzai and India’s Kailash Satyarthi for their work promoting children’s rights. Despite usual rants from local norwegians calling this year's winners for being selectively chosen for political purposes, many people internationally are actually applauding the decision taken by the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Both winners are invited to collect their respected prizes here in Oslo at a grand ceremony which is due to be held on 10th December 2014, sharing at least 1 million dollar worth of cash.

I therefore invite both Indians and Pakistanis lurking around this great forum to share their thoughts on how we two extremely proud nations can move forward despite our deep rooted ideological conflicts? If leader of the free capitalist world US can approach state communist China in the 1970's, jumpstarting revival of the Chinese economy, thus turning it into an economic giant decades later. Then why can't we Pakistanis and Indians try the same realpolitikal rational approach instead of finding new arenas for humiliating each other? Once Pakistan and India are interconnected through our mutual economic interests, like a union such as EU, we would soon forget why we became such bitter enemies in the first place! Fortune recently revealed that Indian Subcontinent during Mughal Era produced at least 25 % of world global output during its peak in 1700's:


Fortune 5: The most powerful economic empires of all time - Fortune

We can of course quarrel for the next millennia on WHO did WHAT in the past while rest of the world moves along leaving us behind. Isn't it time that our honourable leaders sit together, finalize a strategy based on rationalism, that is common issues both our nations are facing since independence like hunger, poverty, homelessness etc etc. These eternal issues cannot be resolved independently because we have historically been one unit sharing this region's vast natural resources equally until British came along and colonized us. So my point being is that instead of wasting billion of RS annually on defense spending, we should instead invest it on cross border trade. When our economies are linked again as it has been in the past, progress and prosperity will follow for both our people's best interest.
Europe learned this historical lesson the hard way after massacring at least 60 million of their own people during WW2. Could we learn from their mistakes instead of repeating our own?

I didn't read all of it because the conflict between India and Pakistan is eternal and it is not going to stop anytime soon. So, lets wake up and come to the real world.

 

[Max Pain]

or make the entire BSF and Pakistani Rangers women

There will be no firing just bunch jealous b itches not talking to each other because of shoes.

LMAO.
no wonder women aint heads of states,
there only will be jealous countries not talking to each other.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

LMAO.
no wonder women aint heads of states,
there only will be jealous countries not talking to each other.

Benazir Bhutto and Indira Gandhi were two of the meanest sob rulers of India and Pakistan. Not a correct statement on your part

 

[Green Arrow]

It is definitely a good idea to promote peace and harmony between the two countries. To implement this a sincere effort needs to be made by both side which we are lacking at the moment.

 

[Max Pain]

Benazir Bhutto and Indira Gandhi were two of the meanest sob rulers of India and Pakistan. Not a correct statement on your part

I highlighted more of a stereotype and humor was intended in my post.
doesnt seem like it though now.

 

[kurup]

I don't care what UNSC has to say about Kashmir. UN hasn't done anything helpful in Kashmir yet except fueling the fire. We need independent plebiscite, independent observers, and independent media. Why would the worlds largest democracy object to that?

As a matter of fact Indian J&K enjoys more rights than Pakistan J&K .

Heck Indian J&K has better rights than even Pakistan .

 

[Kinetic]

Its a great Idea but I have a feeling it will turn into another Pakistan-India keyboard war. Still, lets try.

Now, the first thing we need to discuss is the reason behind this conflict on a micro (individual) level. Why do Pakistanis and Indians hate eachother? Now, each side will blame the other.
Lets try to find facts.

In my opinion, It is mainly the incompatibility of Hinduism and Islam. Now neither is a bad religion, it's about bad people. Islam is not bad, some Muslims are. Hinduism is not bad, some Hindus are.
I think we need to come to a compromise, like the Quran says in surah Al Kafiroon:

"Say O disbelievers
I do not worship what you worship.

Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

From a political point of view, the main tension was because of religion. There was no other reason Indian Muslims and Hindus couldn't be one nation

We have similar culture, similar languages, similar looks, similar everything except religion. So why all the hatred? I'd love to see some civilized talk here.

Fully disagree. We have so many Muslims .. wht should we hate u just becase u r a muslim.. strange reason. none of the indians here hates muslims.


becauae

 

[tarrar]

Good ties with India is not possible & Pakistan should not go for it because of their aggression on border, lies against Pakistan, financial, man power support to rented terrorists, blood shed in illegally occupied Kashmir, refusing to hold referendum in Kashmir, water terrorism & so on.

 

[Brickwall]

Good ties with India is not possible & Pakistan should not go for it because of their aggression on border, lies against Pakistan, financial, man power support to rented terrorists, blood shed in illegally occupied Kashmir, refusing to hold referendum in Kashmir, water terrorism & so on.

Question is good ties is possible or not but intention, what do you think, we have wasted more than 50 years fighting each other, do you want us fight another 50 years.

We could accuse you of doing million things, but will it solve anything?

 

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Lol. Talking about solution. You dont have a solution without adding Indians, you just cant. The solution is not possible without Indian perspective. if you just want to talk about Pak solution. Then goodbye, this thread is of no use.