Socialist mindset destroyed Pakistan in the 1970s

[nahtanbob]

It's because we paid lip service to it, especially during the Bhutto period who used it as a means to settle old scores.

thanks for acknowledging the obvious

 

[Pak_Sher]

Making money is a basic expectation of commerce.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

As many know I am full on PTI supporter but I find this blame the 'socialism' on Pakistan's present malaise too simplistic and does not quite explain the reasons. Although I can understand why it makes for good political speach where cut and dry rendtions work.

Indeed I would argue that had Pakistan got full dose of socialism in 1970s, Pakistan would have been a rip roaring economy today. Surprised? Think of ...

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Pakistan had socialism?
As far as I know Pakistani communist party was illegal long time ago in Pakistan!
In CHINA, Chinese communist party and PLA maintain peace and development rights of Chineses people, while in Pakistan it is Islam and PAKISTAN army!


One party elite governance and make every farmer has its own lands(distribute the lands according to the number of your family member made by MAO Zedong from 1932 to 1960s) is one characters among many of socialism!

Mao was not so much interested in China making money but was more interested in the cultural aspects of China, which was evident in his cultural revolution. When he died the Chinese began to really begin their focus on money making. They found out without money you can’t do anything. That’s why they opened up their economy. The current economic status of China today is due to the reformists within the CPC.

MAO make every Chinese farmer gets the farm lands they deserved so long and make sure no one can force farmers to cede their lands for free ( lands belong to country, Chinese farmers have full use rights with little or 0 fee to pay, thanks to MAO ,my family have 13 mu farm lands now with a 13*667 m2 surface).
Before MAO,95% of Chinese farm lands belongs to 1% of Chinese land lords, after MAO, almost every Chinese farmer get a land for their own.

The current Chinese farmer and lands policy is reforged by DENG Xiaoping based on MAO s policy established from 1932 to 1950s.

Mao was not so much interested in China making money but was more interested in the cultural aspects of China, which was evident in his cultural revolution. When he died the Chinese began to really begin their focus on money making. They found out without money you can’t do anything. That’s why they opened up their economy. The current economic status of China today is due to the reformists within the CPC.

Without MAO farm and farmer revolution, Chinese communists party
would lose power like Soviet union did in 1990s.

socialism has never worked on the economic front. Period.

you can argue social reforms might work - breaking feudal estates, putting clergy in their place, better access to primary education and healthcare. I see no evidence of it in pakistan

capitalism never worked in any country and never helped any country enter developed status, former empires like UK, france and US, Japan, realized their developed country status through firstly invasion and colonization which means stealing the wealth of other country to make. themselves rich and when you become rich, you start to wonder what else you can do , which means later the innovation and high techs company,



few countries or regions like Singapore, South korea, CHINA Taiwan, CHINA HK, entered developed country or regions status with dictatorship but developed very fastly, never a country followed US entered into developed status without dictaship. Israel is US 51th state, does not count.

so many bad exemples, Philippines, Thailand, India, Liberia, Congo, Algeria, outer Mongolia, Sri Lanka, etc......

 

[TheNoob]

Its the molvi mentality that ruined Pakistan.
NOT socialism.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

IN a word, a lack of good policies!
Those so called elected leaders also need to take actions and put into service policies to make their promise come true, those policies need to be good, other wise it would be. useless policies.
Hitler was a elected Prime Minister of Germany.

 

[TheNoob]

IN a word, a lack of good policies!
Those so called elected leaders also need to take actions and put into service policies to make their promise come true, those policies need to be good, other wise it would be. useless policies.
Hitler was a elected Prime Minister of Germany.

Brother, in Pakistan.
Policies and laws mean shit when it comes to religion.

You don't know how these so called clergy can turn this country upside down when they feel that their power is threatened, through whatever means.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Brother, in Pakistan.
Policies and laws mean shit when it comes to religion.

You don't know how these so called clergy can turn this country upside down when they feel that their power is threatened, through whatever means.

The purpose of Islam is to unite Muslims and give Muslims a happy and decent life. At least I think so.

 

[ziaulislam]

Bhutto has become the scapegoat for EP debacle. The truth is there were fundamental tensions simmering from 1947 and these exploded like a volcano in 1971. The reality is EP had bigger population. The unfairness began from 1947. EP was the majority wing -

• Jinnah should have flown to Dhaka in 1947 as the capital of the new country
• Jinnah should have acceeded to the majority will and have Bengali as official language of Pakistan

If just these two had been instituted 1971 would never have happened. But WP elite was not prepared to accept or give assent to the majority of Pakistan who were Bengali's. When you deny majority their will sooner or later it will explode in your face.

And 1971 happened !

Language was never an issue both bengali and urdu were official languages till 1971

It was the financial distribution ..east Pakistan wanted separate reserve bank and all funds transfered to provinces after defence spending..like more extreme form of 18 amendment

 

[nahtanbob]

capitalism never worked in any country and never helped any country enter developed status, former empires like UK, france and US, Japan, realized their developed country status through firstly invasion and colonization which means stealing the wealth of other country to make. themselves rich and when you become rich, you start to wonder what else you can do , which means later the innovation and high techs company,

few countries or regions like Singapore, South korea, CHINA Taiwan, CHINA HK, entered developed country or regions status with dictatorship but developed very fastly, never a country followed US entered into developed status without dictaship. Israel is US 51th state, does not count.

so many bad exemples, Philippines, Thailand, India, Liberia, Congo, Algeria, outer Mongolia, Sri Lanka, etc......

Selective as usual for a chinese

A lot of dictatorships fail - see North Korea, Cambodia, Myanmar. India would not be intact if it went under military rule. Philippines is not doing great. But it is okay. I doubt dictator would solve anything. Congo was never a democracy. Algeria would not qualify as one either. Outer Mongolia was under communism until recently. Sri Lanka had a civil war. would being a dictatorship prevent the civil war ? May be. May be not.

the fundamental question is whether you want the government running companies or do you want private businessmen running companies

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Selective as usual for a chinese

A lot of dictatorships fail - see North Korea, Cambodia, Myanmar. India would not be intact if it went under military rule. Philippines is not doing great. But it is okay. I doubt dictator would solve anything. Congo was never a democracy. Algeria would not qualify as one either. Outer Mongolia was under communism until recently. Sri Lanka had a civil war. would being a dictatorship prevent the civil war ? May be. May be not.

the fundamental question is whether you want the government running companies or do you want private businessmen running companies

dictatorship does not guarantee success, but those who have succeeded after WWII have been under dictatorship,give me an exemple that is successful Without dictatorship after WWII, I never said dictator ship means success, you put those words into my mouth, talking about selective, hahahahaha!!!

Selective as usual for a chinese

A lot of dictatorships fail - see North Korea, Cambodia, Myanmar. India would not be intact if it went under military rule. Philippines is not doing great. But it is okay. I doubt dictator would solve anything. Congo was never a democracy. Algeria would not qualify as one either. Outer Mongolia was under communism until recently. Sri Lanka had a civil war. would being a dictatorship prevent the civil war ? May be. May be not.

the fundamental question is whether you want the government running companies or do you want private businessmen running companies

whatever democracy and freedom you want use one your self, , just leave us Chinese alone, many thanks.

the biggest joke ever:India, the biggest democracy in the world, hahahahahahahahahha, which means also the biggest failure ever existed in. the world, well a failure with 1.3 billion people , true it is the biggest!

 

[nahtanbob]

dictatorship does not guarantee success, but those who have succeeded after WWII have been under dictatorship,give me an exemple that is successful Without dictatorship after WWII, I never said dictator ship means success, you put those words into my mouth, talking about selective, hahahahaha!!!


whatever democracy and freedom you want use one your self, , just leave us Chinese alone, many thanks.

the biggest joke ever:India, the biggest democracy in the world, hahahahahahahahahha, which means also the biggest failure ever existed in. the world, well a failure with 1.3 billion people , true it is the biggest!

you are the one to quote success stories among dictatorship. I didn't
Japan and Germany were rebuilt from the ruins. they were not dictatorships.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

you are the one to quote success stories among dictatorship. I didn't
Japan and Germany were rebuilt from the ruins. they were not dictatorships.

sure I guess they can not read and write like Chinese back to 1949 when 85% Chineses can not read and write!
the knowledge built in their brains with stolen wealth and money before WWII did not ruined at all, ruines give them more Free space to redesign!

 

[nahtanbob]

sure I guess they can not read and write like Chinese back to 1949 when 85% Chineses can not read and write!
the knowledge built in their brains with stolen wealth and money before WWII did not ruined at all, ruines give them more Free space to redesign!

they were in a worse physical state than china. you have not been carpet bombed

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

they were in a worse physical state than china. you have not been carpet bombed

35 million Chinese were killed or injured, 20 million of whom died in World War II. Do you think it is just a written number?
Japan sneaked into Pearl Harbor, you only died more than 3,000 people, and you Americans began to be angry!

they were in a worse physical state than china. you have not been carpet bombed

1840, the first Opium War
In 1842, the "Nanjing Treaty" was signed, and China began to become a semi-feudal and semi-colonial country.
1856, the second Opium War
In 1860, the Sino-British Beijing Treaty, the Sino-Russian Beijing Treaty, and the Sino-French Beijing Treaty were signed respectively; the Westernization Movement began.
From 1851 to 1864, the ”Tianping Heavenly Kingdom Movement“, the ”Taiping Heavenly Kingdom peasant army“ launched a 13-year war with the China Qing army, and tens of millions of people were killed and injured.
From December 1883 to April 1885, France launched a war of aggression against China: the Sino-French war.
In 1898, the Reform Movement of 1898
In 1894, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895
In 1895, the Treaty of Shimonoseki was signed and the Westernization Movement failed.
In 1900, the Eight-Power Allied Forces captured Beijing.
In 1901, the "Xin Chou Treaty" was signed.
1911, the Revolution of 1911
In 1915, the New Culture Movement began
In 1919, the Paris Peace Conference was held, and the May Fourth Patriotic Movement broke out.
In 1921, the Communist Party of China was founded.
In 1922, the first cooperation between the Kuomintang and the Communist Party
In 1931, the September 18th Incident, the three northeastern provinces fell
In 1937, the Lugouqiao Incident, Japan’s full-scale war of aggression against China broke out; the second cooperation between the Kuomintang and the Communist Party
In 1945, fighting for victory
In 1946, the Kuomintang Communist Party broke out in civil war.
In 1949, the founding of New China

Is China's physical state better than Japan?

you are the one to quote success stories among dictatorship. I didn't
Japan and Germany were rebuilt from the ruins. they were not dictatorships.

Japan had already achieved industrialization before World War II, and it was realized under the dictatorship of the Japanese Emperor/King. Before the Second World War, the Japanese colonies such as China Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, and the three northeastern provinces of China, and so on. Japan arbitrarily plundered the natural resources and other resources of the occupied areas. In World War II, the most powerful aircraft carrier construction capability was the United States and Japan,which you can not deny.
After the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895, Japan extorted China’s 200 million silver. At that time, the annual revenue of the Qing government of China was about 80 million silver, and Japan’s fiscal year’s revenue was only about 45 million silver. Today, Westerners call the hard-earned money of Chinese workers a Chinese threat! .


Similarly, German industrialization was under the autocratic rule of the German emperor and the iron-blood prime minister Bismarck and extorted the French war reparation through the "Prussian-French War" (5 Billion francs) and numerous colonies (yes, before the First World War, Germany also occupied a lot of colonies in the world, including Jiaozhou Peninsula and Qingdao city, Shandong Province, China).

 

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