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DOMINIC LAWSON
Monday 2 September 2013

So who still thinks Israel is the root of Middle East problems?
[more importantly, who is willing to change their mind and admit that it is not]
When regimes in the Middle East feel threatened by their own people, they immediately seek to blame the insurrection on Israel or ‘the Jews’
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attends the weekly cabinet meeting on September 1, 2013 in Jerusalem, Israel.

Forget the massacre of thousands in Syria and Egypt, whether by chemical weapons or more conventional methods of mass slaughter. The Middle Eastern issue galvanising some of our musical mega-stars and their followers, even now, is the treatment by Israel of Palestinians. A fortnight ago the violinist Nigel Kennedy told the audience at a Proms concert that Israel should “get rid of apartheid” – his tendentious reference to the treatment of the Arab minority within that country.
Kennedy’s remarks were cheered by many in the audience at the Royal Albert Hall, but the BBC cut them from its later television broadcast of the concert, allegedly following a complaint by Lady Deech, a former governor of the corporation. The London-based Palestine Solidarity Campaign fizzed into action, declaring that “ suppressing free speech and political dissent is the norm for state broadcasters under dictatorships. It is worrying when we start to see this kind of suppression being practiced by our own state broadcaster.”

This remarkable suggestion that the BBC was acting as state censor on behalf of government (rather than merely demonstrating its own determination not to see its great music festival turned into a platform for contentious political slogans) is an example of how the state of Israel makes so many people lose all sense of perspective.

So it goes with Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters who immediately issued a call to arms “to my colleagues in rock’n’roll” over the treatment given to “my brother Nigel Kennedy.” Waters denounced “one Baroness Deech (née Fraenkel), who disputed the fact that Israel is an apartheid state”. What’s with the “née Fraenkel”? Presumably this is the rock star’s way of letting us know that Deech is – aha! – a Jew. Enough said – although Waters did go on to say: “I have many very close Jewish friends”.

Perhaps some of those friends – whether or not they adhere to Jewish dietary laws – might be tiring of his latest porcine stunt, in which Pink Floyd’s pig balloon is imprinted with a Star of David before being “symbolically” shot down. With a delightful irony, this active boycotter of all things Israeli is now himself facing calls to be boycotted, from the admittedly small Jewish population of Dusseldorf, which German city is Waters’ next destination on his current tour.

You might dismiss this as completely irrelevant to the slaughter on the streets of Damascus – and in any rational sense it is – were it not for the fact that the Syrian Free Press, one of Bashar-Al Assad’s propaganda outlets, has been extolling Waters in recent weeks (when not too busy claiming that the murder of hundreds of children by Sarin nerve gas was actually organised by the CIA on behalf of Israel).

Given the longstanding iconography of anti-Semitism within the Middle East, it is perhaps not surprising that when regimes in the region feel threatened by their own people, they immediately seek to blame the insurrection on Israel or “the Jews”. When the wave of popular uprisings sometimes known as “the Arab Spring” reached Syria, Damascus’s envoy in London went on BBC’s Newsnight to tell a clearly startled Jeremy Paxman that “ the Israelis could be behind it…they could be behind any bad thing in the world.”

Actually, the Israeli government was most discomfited by the uprisings in the region, rather preferring the dictators it knew to the possibility of Islamist regimes in their place. It is Israeli citizens who are now stampeding for gas masks, not those of the US, in preparation for what might follow if President Obama does unleash part of America’s vast arsenal in the direction of sites believed to hold Assad’s chemical weapons.

It is true that Israel in 2007 sent eight fighter jets laden with 17 tons of high explosives to demolish the Dair Alzour site in Syria, which the International Atomic Energy Authority has since concluded was the base of a “gas cooled graphite moderated nuclear reactor not configured to produce electricity…built with the assistance of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.” So Israel is indeed ferociously single-minded in pursuing its self-defence within the region.

Yet the idea that Israel is the proximate cause of any tension within that part of the world – and therefore of the sea of blood sweeping through Egypt and Syria – is paranoiac when not deliberately mendacious. In many cases, the origins of the problems go back to the death of the prophet Mohamed, and the split between the followers who believed his successor should be appointed under Arab tribal tradition –later known as the Sunni – and those who insisted his successor should be from his family, and nominated Mohamed’s cousin and son-in-law Ali – the group which became known as Shia muslims.

In certain Arab countries, power had been held for generations by the Sunni, even while a majority of the population might have been Shia. This was the case in Iraq, where a sectarian civil war was precipitated by the disastrously misconceived US invasion. The opposite is true of Syria, a majority Sunni country, yet ruled by Alawites, a branch of the Shia. Not surprisingly, the rebels there are overwhelmingly Sunni, backed by the Sunni regimes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar; and Bashar’s main backer is the Shia regime of Iran.

This tribal and sectarian dispute, which has the potential to become the Muslim equivalent of the Thirty Years War, has about as much to do with Israel as did the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. And the peoples involved care very little, if at all, about the fate of the Palestinians – certainly much less than do Nigel Kennedy and Roger Waters.

Yet some western governments still fall for the bizarre idea that if the dispute between Israel and the Palestinians were to be sorted, then this would help to solve all the other conflicts in the region. Thus the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius declared last week, following a meeting with the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas: “The Israeli-Palestinian issue is …perhaps the central issue of the region.”

To be fair to Fabius, that is the sort of thing visiting dignitaries are expected to say when in Ramallah. But, in the midst of the conflagrations in Egypt and Syria, it does bring to mind the remark of the late French ambassador in London, Daniel Bernard, who in 2001 delivered himself of the view that “all the current troubles in the world are because of that shitty little country Israel.”

Hyperbole has surrounded that little nation ever since it was created in 1948 and the secretary of the Arab League pronounced, as five Arab countries launched a joint attack on the one-day-old state: “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre.” Now the exterminations and massacres are Arab on Arab; but somehow it will still be said to be all to do with Israel.

I think I made a similar point on this page over six years ago – but unfortunately this is the last of my columns for The Independent. To those readers who have enjoyed reading them as much as I did writing them, I’m sorry to desert you; to those who did not – you can calm down now.
 
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Israell is the cause of all the problems in this world.

Just look how it bulldozes the homes of palestineans and then rebuilds new homes for the jews/zionists... you dont even need to look any further than that.
 
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Israell is the cause of all the problems in this world. Just look how it bulldozes the homes of palestineans and then rebuilds new homes for the jews/zionists... you dont even need to look any further than that.
I swear bala is NOT my sock puppet!
 
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Dominic lawson a Jew and a prominent Zionist islamaphobe writes a piece defending the Zionist entity..... Is against an artists boycott .. Wow dude ..... What an amazing unique event....
 
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weakness of Arab states is the root of Middle East problems
not the strength of Israel
 
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It depends. Some areas of the middle east are very stable and have very high development. It all comes down to oil or lack of it.
 
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YES, Israel is one of the main problems in the middle east without doubt

Its occupation of jerusalem and Palestine has ensured not only foreign involvement in the middle east and decades of american and european involvement to support and hold up the rule of very very poor rulers who whilst being in Israels intrest were toxic for their own populations.


The Middle east is going through change, so is the muslim world, but israel as an entity will have to be dealt with in order to progress
 
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Of course Israel is a stumbling block to a 100% Islamic Middle East. It is inconvenient and almost a pimple on the face of the Earth. Also the humiliation the might Arabs faced while fighting against Israel rubs salt into old wounds. Besides the very existence and survival of the Jewish people(who are worse than swine)in the Holy Land is enough to boil the blood.
YES, Israel is one of the main problems in the middle east without doubt

Its occupation of jerusalem and Palestine has ensured not only foreign involvement in the middle east and decades of american and european involvement to support and hold up the rule of very very poor rulers who whilst being in Israels intrest were toxic for their own populations.


The Middle east is going through change, so is the muslim world, but israel as an entity will have to be dealt with in order to progress
 
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You need to be a Zionist or mentally retard to find Israel innocent and not the root cause of Middle East's Problems. Now I am just wondering which of the two categories is this writer belonging to.
 
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Of course Israel is a stumbling block to a 100% Islamic Middle East. It is inconvenient and almost a pimple on the face of the Earth. Also the humiliation the might Arabs faced while fighting against Israel rubs salt into old wounds. Besides the very existence and survival of the Jewish people(who are worse than swine)in the Holy Land is enough to boil the blood.

Israel is 20% arab now, in a few decades its arab and muslim population will push towards 1/3 of its population

For centuries middle easter jews have lived amongst muslim

The Pogroms and Holocausts they faced at the hands of the Europeans they never faced in muslim lands, yet after the genocide of millions of their kind rather then take it out on the Germans, millions of white, non middle eastern jews decide to come to the middle east and set up a colonial state usurping power and stealing land.


The Muslim population within israel is growing (percentage wise they are more in israel then india even) and around it are growing, the world muslim population is growing, its all about keeping pressure on israel and the jews whereever we are.

Whether were sitting in the Uk going to university or working in the e.g far east make sure you find ways to hurt and undermine israel



The Muslims resisted the crusader occupation of the holy lands and Jerusalem for over 100 years never giving up, our single minded resolve to get back Jerusalem meant that the muslims NEVER forgot that they were our enemies and they had commiting a crime.

Even though it took over a century Jerusalem was STILL taken back



Israel is nut with a crack in it, you can see the prospect of massive development if all sides agreed to be friends, but instead relentless pressure on israel and its growing arab/muslim population will ensure it will never have peace
 
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At the heart of Arab-Israel conflict lies the lust to control the seat of ultimate power Jerusalem, which for centuries has been a center of global power. Islamic crusaders took over the city after famous Siege of Jerusalem Saladin.. globally Muslims want to control that city because they claim it to be their seat of power... and that's the root of the problem...

In short Muslims are still to come to terms with their defeat. So they will blame Israel for everything.
 
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Good piece. Nice to see such hatred brewing in you. I wonder if this is genetic. Anyway, let me smash your points(for the lack of a better word) one by one.

1. "few decades its arab and muslim population will push towards 1/3 of its population" - The demographic rate of change is coming down. You know this is not going to happen.

2. "For centuries middle easter jews have lived amongst muslim" - Yes, as dhimmis, second class citizens, and that too they were few in number. Even then they were routinely murdered in riots.

3. "Whether were sitting in the Uk going to university or working in the e.g far east make sure you find ways to hurt and undermine israel" - Yes, by vomiting on PDF?

4. "muslims NEVER forgot that they were our enemies and they had commiting a crime." - Of course. The Jews are your eternal enemies.

5. "its growing arab/muslim population will ensure it will never have peace" - What a pathetic threat. After fighting so many wars (and getting humiliated) you are now relying on Israeli Muslims! All just to fulfill the prophetic revelations. If you believe this is your God's will, then I am against your God.

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Israel is 20% arab now, in a few decades its arab and muslim population will push towards 1/3 of its population

For centuries middle easter jews have lived amongst muslim

The Pogroms and Holocausts they faced at the hands of the Europeans they never faced in muslim lands, yet after the genocide of millions of their kind rather then take it out on the Germans, millions of white, non middle eastern jews decide to come to the middle east and set up a colonial state usurping power and stealing land.


The Muslim population within israel is growing (percentage wise they are more in israel then india even) and around it are growing, the world muslim population is growing, its all about keeping pressure on israel and the jews whereever we are.

Whether were sitting in the Uk going to university or working in the e.g far east make sure you find ways to hurt and undermine israel



The Muslims resisted the crusader occupation of the holy lands and Jerusalem for over 100 years never giving up, our single minded resolve to get back Jerusalem meant that the muslims NEVER forgot that they were our enemies and they had commiting a crime.

Even though it took over a century Jerusalem was STILL taken back



Israel is nut with a crack in it, you can see the prospect of massive development if all sides agreed to be friends, but instead relentless pressure on israel and its growing arab/muslim population will ensure it will never have peace
 
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At the heart of Arab-Israel conflict lies the lust to control the seat of ultimate power Jerusalem, which for centuries has been a center of global power. Islamic crusaders took over the city after famous Siege of Jerusalem Saladin.. globally Muslims want to control that city because they claim it to be their seat of power... and that's the root of the problem...

In short Muslims are still to come to terms with their defeat. So they will blame Israel for everything.


Jerusalem is a not a seat of power,


Saladin did not take the city, he retook it from crusader occupation


Millions of muslims have died defending Jerusalem against all attackers, for over a thousand years muslims have ruled the city, protected it.



There is no reason to give up Jerusalem after 64 years when we retook it from the crusaders after 100
 
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We are not hindu's that muslims will accept a fake colonial entity being set up in the heart of the middle east, the Israelis have occupied and oppressed the Palestinians for over half a century now.

It is a testiment to the Palestinians resiliance that they have been able to put up with such abuse
 
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