So what is China doing, dropping drilling devices in Japanese EEZ?

[Knight of Tang]

Advisor in name and commander in reality, that's it! If you just got these junks without anything new, I won't reply to you ignorant and shameless viets no more, really a waste of my time. I don't want to presume if without China, what you viets would be, cause I really don't care about that.

Without US and SU, even China was really defeated. At most we may have a new ethnic group named "dahe", cause we have our cultural influences strong enough to assimilate any outsiders into our own. However, you remote peninsular is even out off our will to assimilate, you shameless uncivilized barbarians...

He he, you changed position of Chinese from "Commandor" to "Adviser" . It's significant change randomly, showed unstable mentality of liar, cowardice chinese. Without USA and Soviet Union you are still living under rule of Japanese.

 

[Viet]

Well actually "Chinese Advisors" were distributed into your army on the level of battalions! Your army could never make any actions without the permission of our "Chinese Advisors". Now what do you say? Snakes without any gratefulness and even bite the hand once feed you! Shameless!

This Chinese guy is a joke!

You may stop posting endless nonsense unless you can quote creditable sources. Show me official Chinese textbooks that state what you have said! Where and when were your combat troops, advisers and commanders?

 

[jhungary]

This Chinese guy is a joke!

You may stop posting endless nonsense unless you can quote creditable sources. Show me official Chinese textbooks that state what you have said! Where and when were your combat troops, advisers and commanders?

to be honest, everything is connected in today battlefield. Aid or not, we can safely assume the Vietnam Forces have been "Heavily Influence" by the Chinese during the Viet-minh period. You cannot denial that part of the victory is due to the Chinese Involvement.

But does that mean you can say Chinese help Vietnamese win that war? No, being heavily influenced is one thing, winning a war is another, US was heavily influencing the South and yet they lost. It's all depend on how well for those people who actual fought the war, but not which entity influence which entity.

 

[Zero_wing]

This Chinese guy is a joke!

You may stop posting endless nonsense unless you can quote creditable sources. Show me official Chinese textbooks that state what you have said! Where and when were your combat troops, advisers and commanders?

Even i can answer that sir! In their imaginations! yup your right! they made it up too just like everything else

 

[Knight of Tang]

What I posted can well slap your face on your stupid "advice and investment" analogy. And that's enough!
What do you expect?? a history lesson or some academic papers? I quoted a third party-- your enemies' words, and it's still not credible enough for you mindless shameless viets, well, I don't have much to say cause I really don't know how to debate a shameless person and you ain't deserve anymore of my time cause this site is just a place for fun.
But whatever you believe really doesn't matter to us at all since we Chinese have long been accepted the truth that you viets pay back benevolence with hate, that's fine, go ahead and show your ignorance well until the time tells you who is really a "JOKE".

This Chinese guy is a joke!

You may stop posting endless nonsense unless you can quote creditable sources. Show me official Chinese textbooks that state what you have said! Where and when were your combat troops, advisers and commanders?

 

[EastSea]

Advisor in name and commander in reality, that's it! If you just got these junks without anything new, I won't reply to you ignorant and shameless viets no more, really a waste of my time. I don't want to presume if without China, what you viets would be, cause I really don't care about that.

Without US and SU, even China was really defeated. At most we may have a new ethnic group named "dahe", cause we have our cultural influences strong enough to assimilate any outsiders into our own. However, you remote peninsular is even out off our will to assimilate, you shameless uncivilized barbarians...

Liar is still lying.

Our general commander Vo Nguyen Giap reported step by step to the Politburo members. as reported "human wave tactic" of chinese adviser was rejected.

yes, "Without US and SU, even China was really defeated" by Japanes.

 

[Zero_wing]

Come on, sounds like you know a sht 'bout it...just make fun of yourself
Btw, I really tip servants well, and it's fun to see you're finally happy

That card again! Dude give it up your screw just let go already fine play like whatever big baby the fact still remains that one you people lie all the time two you would take a mile if give an inch three you just a big bully who have no evidence to support your claims like who cares about your 5,000 years of whatever in the most part of that said 5,000, 300 of that said years you people were only country by name and you calling us colonials loser come on that's even more pathetic then being colonized son just go home and be a man for once. Well can't do it? your lose not ours !

 

[Knight of Tang]

God knows where you viets found yourself such a confidence to say you defeated French without Chinese support. Well, you viets think we Chinese are liar, and we treat you as ungrateful snakes, that's it. Who cares?
Can you step out your small village by keep calling me a liar, pathetic fishing man? Expand your viewpoint from these single shots to the whole era please!

Liar is still lying.

Our general commander Vo Nguyen Giap reported step by step to the Politburo members. as reported "human wave tactic" of chinese adviser was rejected.

yes, "Without US and SU, even China was really defeated" by Japanes.

 

[Knight of Tang]

No card that I would like to play with you, you ain't qualify enough to play cards with me boy!
I don't care if China is bullying you or not, what I care about is our nations' interest, what's your problem with that?
Don't sounds like a coward sometimes that cries for others' help and bluffing for the rest to show your ignorance, remember what I told you...
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That card again! Dude give it up your screw just let go already fine play like whatever big baby the fact still remains that one you people lie all the time two you would take a mile if give an inch three you just a big bully who have no evidence to support your claims like who cares about your 5,000 years of whatever in the most part of that said 5,000, 300 of that said years you people were only country by name and you calling us colonials loser come on that's even more pathetic then being colonized son just go home and be a man for once. Well can't do it? your lose not ours !

 

[Viet]

to be honest, everything is connected in today battlefield. Aid or not, we can safely assume the Vietnam Forces have been "Heavily Influence" by the Chinese during the Viet-minh period. You cannot denial that part of the victory is due to the Chinese Involvement.

But does that mean you can say Chinese help Vietnamese win that war? No, being heavily influenced is one thing, winning a war is another, US was heavily influencing the South and yet they lost. It's all depend on how well for those people who actual fought the war, but not which entity influence which entity.

Surely at the beginning, the Vietminh were influenced and supported by the Chinese, but where were Chinese combat troops? And after the dispute with the Vietminh the so-called Chinese advisers had stopped supports and returned home before the Dien Bien Phu battle began. Some shameless Chinese claim they were decisive in winning the war though.

Remember, on the other side in the first Indochina War, the French troops were supported by the German elite troops who fought in the WWII (légion étrangère) and with US financial/weaponry.

 

[jhungary]

Surely at the beginning, the Vietminh were influenced and supported by the Chinese, but where were Chinese combat troops? And after the dispute with the Vietminh the so-called Chinese advisers had stopped supports and returned home before the Dien Bien Phu battle began. Some shameless Chinese claim they were decisive in winning the war though.

Remember, on the other side in the first Indochina War, the French troops were supported by the German elite troops who fought in the WWII (légion étrangère) and with US financial/weaponry.

That's why i say, battlefield is a very complicated place, been there myself, i can tell you this, doesn't matter who's your ally is or who help you along, you have to have the power in itself to win the war.

THe US soldier in Vietnam is a good and clear example, you can't really claim Chinese win the war for Vietnam (Not the second i mean the first) as you don't see CHinese fighting for Vietnam. I'll bite the French are crap at fighting and their arc of triumpth were actually being occupied and changed hand a bit. But vietnam is the winner of that war, which is the most important thing. You can win all your battle but lose the war, this is a general problem with Military Advisor.

There is an old Vietnamese saying (Well in English) unless the American are willing to eat rice for the next thousand year, vietnam will not lose this war, just the matter of how many people we have to give before they had enough and the end will be the same.

 

[Viet]

That's why i say, battlefield is a very complicated place, been there myself, i can tell you this, doesn't matter who's your ally is or who help you along, you have to have the power in itself to win the war.

THe US soldier in Vietnam is a good and clear example, you can't really claim Chinese win the war for Vietnam (Not the second i mean the first) as you don't see CHinese fighting for Vietnam. I'll bite the French are crap at fighting and their arc of triumpth were actually being occupied and changed hand a bit. But vietnam is the winner of that war, which is the most important thing. You can win all your battle but lose the war, this is a general problem with Military Advisor.

There is an old Vietnamese saying (Well in English) unless the American are willing to eat rice for the next thousand year, vietnam will not lose this war, just the matter of how many people we have to give before they had enough and the end will be the same.

That is exactly the point: one must have the power in itself to win the war: every single soldier on the battlefield counts!
Military hardware alone or/and foreign advisers never defeat the enemy.

The history shows China is never willing to fight for Vietnam. Moreover the country in the north has its own agenda and always looks for ways how to dominate his brother in the south. Unfortunately the Americans played a sad role, too and were one of the main factors behind our tragedy in the last three major Vietnam wars. I hope that history will not repeat.

 

[JSCh]

That is exactly the point: one must have the power in itself to win the war: every single soldier on the battlefield counts!
Military hardware alone or/and foreign advisers never defeat the enemy.

The history shows China is never willing to fight for Vietnam. Moreover the country in the north has its own agenda and always looks for ways how to dominate his brother in the south. Unfortunately the Americans played a sad role, too and were one of the main factors behind our tragedy in the last three major Vietnam wars. I hope that history will not repeat.

China told US not to cross 17 degree north parallel. US never did.
If US did, then you can see Chinese fighting for Vietnam.

 

[jhungary]

That is exactly the point: one must have the power in itself to win the war: every single soldier on the battlefield counts!
Military hardware alone or/and foreign advisers never defeat the enemy.

The history shows China is never willing to fight for Vietnam. Moreover the country in the north has its own agenda and always looks for ways how to dominate his brother in the south. Unfortunately the Americans played a sad role, too and were one of the main factors behind our tragedy in the last three major Vietnam wars. I hope that history will not repeat.

Fought in a war and you would understand how people fight is the main clause on determine a winner.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, we have advisor to local police and military, you can only teach them how much you can do in war, but you can't fight their own battle for them, unless we invade and occupied Iraq and Afghanistan as set it as our own. If they (Iraqi and Afghani allied) are willing to fight, they will become good, but if they don't, nothing you do could change much.

In the history we can see both Korean War and Vietnam War, one end up still divided while the other have united. Why? That's because the South Korean don't want to be governed by the Northern Brothers and the South Vietnamese simply don't care.

You can see a clear different to how Military Advisor help or make worse in both war, even Chinese Volunteer Army cross the 38th, if the South are determined to hold, they will hold and they DO hold the 38th, doesn't matter if Chinese are fighting for the NK. But if the South Vietnamese don't care, they won't hold, no matter whator how the US help them out. It simply don't work.

 

[Rechoice]

China told US not to cross 17 degree north parallel. US never did.
If US did, then you can see Chinese fighting for Vietnam.

China stopped help to Vietnam from 1968 to get position for shake hands with US 1972 in Peking.