So what do Arabs think of Recent Biden Comments , about Arab Allies

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Recently Biden accused UAE, QATAR, Saudis and even Turkey as sponsors of Extremist and Suppliers of weapons to the Terrorist groups

Turkish PM quoted , if Biden did not apologize he is history from Turkish perspective

Biden made these comments in a University convention telling future of US that what to expect in future perhaps he did not think his comment would get out of the campus

But is this a safe bet , that after , the 2 factions now are armed up both groups would be weakened by in fighting

Does it states a future foreign policy , after destruction of centralized governments in western Middle east is the middle east and Turkey the future direction of conflict

I mean all it takes are few events to change the policy the allies of today could become the aiding parties of disruptive elements as the argument grows

Why would Biden holding such a important place , quote the allies as being the main reason for arming of disruptive elements , was that same argument not used to topple the Iraqi government and also Libyan governments in past

Iraqi were allies , then they were deemed committing anti human rights
Iran were allies then they became anti human rights over night
Even now , we hear Syria an old enemy is now being supported indirectly

Is the plan to arm both parties up and let them weaken each other

We know Qatar was in forefront to arm various rebellion groups in Libya, Saudia event far as to purchase weapons from friendly countries on behalf of Syrian rebels

Reference:
UAE demands apology
Now UAE Is Demanding 'Clarification' Of Biden's Comments About US Allies - Business Insider

Turkey demands apology
Turkey's Erdogan Demands Biden Apologize - Business Insider

It would be interesting to hear view point of our Saudi counter parts and other folks


Reference:
Qatar's Emir: We don't fund terrorists - CNN.com

Emir of Qatar stated
"We don't fund extremists," the Emir told CNN's Christiane Amanpour on Thursday.


"I know that in America and some countries they look at some movements as terrorist movements. ... But there are differences. There are differences that some countries and some people that any group which comes from Islamic background are terrorists. And we don't accept that."

It would be a "big mistake," he said, to consider every Islamic movement to be "extremists."

Who decides the legitimacy of the Movement ?Gulf countries , OIC , or United Nations or world powers ?

Who would be next after Syria falls , based on the sequence of events after Syria falls anyone who supports rebels might be next

 

[Mosamania]

Saudi Arabia never directly armed ISIS, Saudi Arabia ever since King Abdullah ascended to the throne have been a secularism bulwark in the region, tell me one group that the Saudi "government" not some individuals have supported that weren't a secular liberal group since 2002? Just name one group.

You wont be able to, Qatar on the other hand is following an Americanized drive to push the MB into power in the Middle East, ISIS is allied with the MB, and their recent coming into power is a direct result of the MB overthrow in Egypt and elsewhere.

Biden is an idiot who doesn't know how to tell the difference, all Arabs are the same and all Gulf arabs are the same like the many idiots in this forum are. One group in the Middle East does something it means they all collectively did it, which is ignorance personified.

 

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[xyxmt]

Saudi Arabia never directly armed ISIS, Saudi Arabia ever since King Abdullah ascended to the throne have been a secularism bulwark in the region, tell me one group that the Saudi "government" not some individuals have supported that weren't a secular liberal group since 2002? Just name one group.

You wont be able to, Qatar on the other hand is following an Americanized drive to push the MB into power in the Middle East, ISIS is allied with the MB, and their recent coming into power is a direct result of the MB overthrow in Egypt and elsewhere.

Biden is an idiot who doesn't know how to tell the difference, all Arabs are the same and all Gulf arabs are the same like the many idiots in this forum are. One group in the Middle East does something it means they all collectively did it, which is ignorance personified.

ISIS did not start as ISIS, it started as a resistance to Syrian govt and was supported and aided by many middle eastern governments. Arabs Invite foreign forces in their region, if not by formally inviting them then at least by not having and objections to it. Kuwait, Iraq, Lybia, Yamen, and Syria are good examples.

 

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ISIS is the formation of several groups of which the first originated in Iraq when the US invaded in 2003, they were weakened and close to be defeated in 2010-2011 but that chance was lost as the Syrian (civil) war gave them the opportunity to establish a safe base, recruit fighters and get a shitload of weaponry from both SAA and FSA/Nusra/the rest, the latter were working with ISIS in the beginning thus sharing weaponry with them, something Bandar Bin Sultan, the Qatari and Turkish counterparts never thought of or ignored.

First they placed ISI in Iraq under the umbrella of freedom fighters, then when ISIS started killing FSA they called it an Iranian/Iraqi Shia organization, now it's suddenly a terrorist organization. << Our regional religious & political leaders.

 

[VCheng]

Saudi Arabia ever since King Abdullah ascended to the throne have been a secularism bulwark in the region

Saudi Arabia as a secularism bulwark? That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Wonder anytime that a case against War crime and supplying weapons to Rebels might be used against you

What will the gulf countries do then ? I know Turkey they will not be bothered as they are self reliant and used to Rhetoric

I just throwing a hypothetical question based on Honorable Biden's comment

He clearly stated , these countries are supporting Terrorist in gathering of future of USA students in University

When these kids will grow up they will grow up with these comments Biden said, remember what ever , sugar coated stuff is said to Gulf countries , that is not said locally in media and in local gatherings

What if tomorrow Biden will say Saudis you must act against UAE or Qatar as they Aid ISIS or other way around what would be the dynamics

Really interested to hear more about the view points of people from these countries

What is the plan B for Gulf countries
Or independent countries like Turkey

The division is clear that all the Gulf Countries did not give a united "Message" in Joint Summit they all gave their own views and opinions separately

Was it not appropriate to have a Joint Summit of Leaders called where they would have Press release and release a Joint statement on such a critical matter

 

[Mosamania]

Saudi Arabia as a secularism bulwark? That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time!

Bring proof that proves otherwise, and no, half assed articles and opinions on blogs are not evidence.

 

[VCheng]

Bring proof that proves otherwise, and no, half assed articles and opinions on blogs are not evidence.

The evidence is Saudi Arabia itself: It is a theocratic monarchy, which is about as far from secularism as one can get.

 

[al-Hasani]

Saudi Arabia as a secularism bulwark? That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time!

What Mosab meant is the Saudi Arabian foreign policy (the government) outside of the country and he is correct. He did not mean the INTERNAL policies.

ISIS is the formation of several groups of which the first originated in Iraq when the US invaded in 2003, they were weakened and close to be defeated in 2010-2011 but that chance was lost as the Syrian (civil) war gave them the opportunity to establish a safe base, recruit fighters and get a shitload of weaponry from both SAA and FSA/Nusra/the rest, the latter were working with ISIS in the beginning thus sharing weaponry with them, something Bandar Bin Sultan, the Qatari and Turkish counterparts never thought of or ignored.

First they placed ISI in Iraq under the umbrella of freedom fighters, then when ISIS started killing FSA they called it an Iranian/Iraqi Shia organization, now it's suddenly a terrorist organization. << Our regional religious & political leaders.

The Saudi Arabian government nor any other Arab US ally/partner and their government could NEVER had supported any insurgency that targeted American soldiers in Iraq. Do you really think that the US intelligence is that bad and if this indeed happened that there would be no consequences? USA could remove the Saudi Arabian government tomorrow if they really wanted and that of all other countries. Don't confuse a few private donors with the government.

Lastly I do believe that the Iraqi people were entitled to fight the occupier. Americans or not. But that's another discussion.

Bandar bin Sultan was supporting FSA and its fractions. There is no proof of support for ISIS or Al-Nusra by the Saudi Arabian government. Some private donors, yes. Mostly through Kuwait. Once again those two things are not connected.

But yes, the leaders of ME are largely morons. No surprise but King Abdullah is actually one of the best ME leaders if not the best. At least he is doing more for his country and countrymen than any other ME state. KSA is also one of the least corrupt states in the ME according to the Corruption Index of 2013 and has the highest HDI index in the ME after Qatar and in the Muslim world (also after Qatar).

Corruption Perceptions Index 2013 - Results

List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bring proof that proves otherwise, and no, half assed articles and opinions on blogs are not evidence.

Don't be harsh on Syed Ali Haider. He is a good user and a friend. He is not hostile or clueless like other of the ignorant and brainless trolls on PDF.

LOL. Biden is a clown. Not too clever either and a poor speaker. John McCain should have been elected but without the support of the Tea Party and without Sarah Palin coming close to any position of power. Obama has been extremely clueless when it comes to foreign policy and how to handle the ME as a region. But he is charismatic and Black so.

 

[VCheng]

What Mosab meant is the Saudi Arabian foreign policy (the government) outside of the country and he is correct. He did not mean the INTERNAL policies.

That actually makes sense to me, if indeed that was what he meant. If Saudi Arabia is supporting secularism outside its own borders at least, I can support that approach.

 

[al-Hasani]

That actually makes sense to me, if indeed that was what he meant. If Saudi Arabia is supporting secularism outside its own borders at least, I can support that approach.

Secularism is maybe too far fetched but at least the foreign policy in terms of support is often vastly different compared to the internal approach. Without the powerful clergy in KSA (which has lost power since King Abdullah ascended the throne in 2005) the internal policies would also have changed and they will as long as the current developments will continue. The system of KSA is quite complex and it's about balancing between the monarchy, clergy and popular demands. It's a fine balance that will only become more difficult to handle as the world is changing rapidly so one of either the monarchy or clergy is bound to loose some power or both of them in the future. Right now everything points to the clergy. In 10-15 years time we will hopefully have a constitutional monarchy and some different laws and a different system but also without doing any "French Revolution". Going to extremes in other words.

 

[VCheng]

Secularism is maybe too far fetched but at least the foreign policy in terms of support is often vastly different compared to the internal approach. Without the powerful clergy in KSA (which has lost power since King Abdullah ascended the throne in 2005) the internal policies would also have changed and they will as long as the current developments will continue. The system of KSA is quite complex and it's about balancing between the monarchy, clergy and popular demands. It's a fine balance that will only become more difficult to handle as the world is changing rapidly so one of the monarchy or clergy is bound to loose some power or both of them in the future. Right now everything points to the clergy. In 10-15 years time we will hopefully have a constitutional monarchy and some different laws and a different system but also without doing any "French Revolution". Going to extremes in other words.

Change comes to all societies. Saudi Arabia is a little more deliberate in its pace of change, but I can appreciate those that you have described. After all, both Mecca and Medina are located in SA, and that unique honor imposes some rather special responsibilities too.

 

[al-Hasani]

Change comes to all societies. Saudi Arabia is a little more deliberate in its pace of change, but I can appreciate those that you have described. After all, both Mecca and Medina are located in SA, and that unique honor imposes some rather special responsibilities too.

Indeed my friend. Adding to the fact that KSA is arguably one of the most complex societies out there. In many ways KSA is a country of extremes and contradictions and I have grown to sometimes appreciate that even. Although I obviously have my views and want to see certain changes etc.

For your interest a few of us Saudi Arabian users touched upon KSA and what I speak about here in this thread below. The last few pages. The situation is explained further there. Have a look if you want to.

Ancient historical sites in Syria destroyed by the Al-Assad terror regime | Page 6

 

[VCheng]

Indeed my friend. Adding to the fact that KSA is arguably one of the most complex societies out there. In many ways KSA is a country of extremes and contradictions and I have grown to sometimes appreciate that even. Although I obviously have my views and want to see certain changes etc.

For your interest a few of us Saudi Arabian users touched upon KSA and what I speak about here in this thread below. The last few pages. The situation is explained further there. Have a look if you want to.

No link to the thread found.

Edit: Thank you for adding it.