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But a real world demo would have been great just to calibrate the capabilities, and u r right, by the time the world brings out a decent alternate 5th gen fighter US would have moved on to the next generation,
But the money spent on F35 and the delay is also justified, because the F35 in its numbers is more than enough to counter whatever the adversaries can field as an opponent to it in its maturity time frame.
Yes, have seen a few concepts of the triangular one's, more than the air frames its whats built in is what is and will be difficult to estimate. After so many years no one's yet figured out whats in a F22, same will be the case with the next platorms.
I am talking about this one:
EDI - Eddie - Stealth Wiki
Any chance??
The film was a big flop, but i liked the concept of the ac named - EDI/Eddie.
not possible . humans needs at least a 100 years of continuous scripting and logic fine tuning to get an algo tht works on par with a cockroach;and thts the dumbest way i can put it.
THe Ai complexity till date doesn't even match tht of a mosquito ,first we need to get to the lvl of a cockroach and then maybe think about making AI tht has operation functionality the goes beyond predefined loops of human fed logic.
AI has failed to develop and i dont think it will unless a radical leap is endured.
the next step Biomechanics and bio+ electrical+mechanical joint systems, Cyborgish.
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By the way, here is Lockheed's model:
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©LOCKHEED MARTIN
Though, this article was published back in January, there are some interesting points:
Source: Flightglobal.
They appear to be focused on the NG-bomber:
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This 6th generation fighter will take a long time to fully materialize.
I doubt if this "energy weapons" thingy has even left the drawing board. Especially considering how much power is needed to power them. And on a fighter!
They also mentioned this "self-healing structures"? Will they be bio-mechanical or something?
looks like self healing structures seem to be agreed on as a defined characteristic of 6th gen craft.
That will be interesting to see.
The problem as you can see if while in the future the World would process Stealth Gen 5 technology, but they simply can't match the arsenalthat the US can produce. I would say the US Stealth Fleet will act more like a deterence force than our Nuclear Battery in the near future, and when the time come the world have been fully eqip with 5th Gen aircrarft, the US would probably finish and start fielding the 6th Gen. Even with the delay, the ACtual service time to take off the F-35 will still be shorter than all other Stealth fighter, simply the US have experience oerating the F-22 and compare to F-22, F-35 is a even smaller and simplier design,, we cna se F-35 will be adapting tothe airforce fleet faster than any other country's stealth program.
I don't believe the airframe will be the same or near identical to the F-22, the frame will be sleeker than the YF-23 than the F-22, we got all we need on stealth and performance statistic on the F-22 project, those data will be fully utilise but the airframe will need to redesign
AI now is basically a 6-Dimension AI (Left, Right, Up, Down, In and Out) with little or no interaction as interaction require learning and scientist still trying to figure out a "Learning AI"
THe problem is with the AI technology now, it is still based on the basic computer algorithm, which is still a step-by-step problem solving with 1 question to 1 answer (Base on binary 1, 0 or true and false), real world is not like this at all, sometime the best answer to a real world solution seems not logical, which is what a computer will not be able to think of. Until the world can create a illogical computer (Some sort of forced algorithm when the decision does not make sense), AI is no hope catching anywhere near human.
Self Healing technology should either mean using either metal expansion or by nano-technology to repair a dmaaged frame.
Self Healing technology should either mean using either metal expansion or by nano-technology to repair a dmaaged frame.
Well actually this " Self Healing Airframe " idea is currently beyond what material technology can deliver ... So rule this out unless of course USA has a nice few tricks up its sleeves !
It's likely to be based on some sort of nanotechnology.
Pretty exotic stuff...
As the world have entered the Fifth Generation Fighters. Where Stealth and Fly-by Wire are the focal point in this Class.
While the rest of the world is still catching up with the fifth Generation, as of this moment, there are no production 5th Gen flying in this world except for the USA. THe American have already start their 6th Generation Jet Fighter project.
Dubbed Next Generation Tactical Aircraft for the USAF and the Next Generation Air Dominance for the US Navy the 6th Generation is set to fill the US Military in the year between 2030-2050,. unfortunately it will not be a drone as promised.
According to FBO (Federal Business Oppuntities or FedBizOpps.gov) the contract for 6th Generation Jet fighter will have the following Speciality
-Stealth
-Enchanced Human Interfaces
-Advance advanced electronic attack countermeasurement
-sophisticated integrated air defense systems
-Passive Detection
-integrated self-protection
-directed energy weapons (lasers)
-cyber attack capabilities
Although all the related contract are currently classifed as Top Secret, but Boeing have already tender their Bid to the 6th Gen Jet Fighter Program with the FA-XX
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The detail is scratchy at this moment but after asking my brother (Who is a Military Engine Engineer with Boeing, i believe they are called Proplusion Engineer) and he told me what he think the Boeing 6th Gen bid is. (He is just guessing and he is not one of those who involve the 6th Gen project)
What he think is, with now the stealth technology is reaching maturity, the stealth techonology will mostly retain the 5th Generation level. However, there will be a major upgrade on Engine,while Jet Turbine Engine will maintain idle thrust with at least 65% of the engine power while unuse, the new 6th Gen engine will be computer managed and hence perform like a automobile engine. Which translate to save fuel when the engine is cruising and use those fuel to extent the service range. The so call Linear Engine Technology has always been developing since late 90s and have certian fruit coming form the seed. We will most likely see the linear engine been use in a 6th gen aircraft
Also will have improvment is the Thrust vectoring technology, with computer control, TVT are going to be 3 dimensional (Kind of like the X-29) and able to withhold a certain degree of VTOL Capacity fully loaded.
The airframe itself will also be upgrade from the 5th gen. The airframe will be stealth, but will made from a material that adapt to the surrounding enviroment. There is a open prospect that the airfram will self-heal which act like the bladder tank that seal the hole when puncture. No information are available at the moment. The Airframe may also use a more adaptive or flexible material so it could absorb the damage done by the enemy missile.
There will also be a very big change inside the cockpit too, with newer Head up display technology, it's estimated the 6th Gen will not have dashboard, nor stick, all control are within the reach of the Pilot Hemlet and all the necessary data are pipe thru the pilot helmet as well.
The defensive mechanism will be using active counter measurement, either by DEW or cluster missile to destroy incoming enemy missile, while the latest DEW demostration show they can use to destroy a drone, it's very likely the 6 Gen will ulitise this as their defensive mechanis.
There will also be a update on the C3link and create the battlefield awareness that include all the information provided by all allied or friendly aircraft. Either using a supporting computer system to priority and attack target according to the preset priority or using a Computer/Human interface which will see the pilot did the work.
All in all, 6th Generation aircraft will be on the forefront of human technology, while act alone with only limited offensive and defensive power, but act as a group it will be act as a force multiplier. Which is what an aircraft engineer looking up for the 6th Gen Technology
The F 35 production lines are rumored to manufacture one aircraft a day, so yes I am getting what you are saying here - besides the years of experience of actually operating a 5th gen will make it much easier obviously.
People need to know this, even with Full production rate of 5th Gen fighter, your country need to adapt to it, 5th gen ffighter is not maintained like any 4th gen fighter, you need to give it time to problem proof your 5th gen fighter, so you are right, while all other country currently developing 5th gen but none of those country know what they got into. US on the otherhand have been operate F-22 since 2000 and it give them 12 year to play with 5th gen technology and the intergration time for F-35 into USAF will be significant shorter than any other country in this world currently producing 5th Gen fighter
The look I think will be totally different to the F 22 or the YF 23, a 6th according to my estimates will be able to take up multiple roles anti ground, anti ship, anti sub, besides the usual and will most probably be a hypersonic craft - just a guess.
WHat it would like will not be anywhere near F-22 and i said YF-23 because it will look more like a bomber than a fighter.
I have my doubts about it being completely AI.
Me too, but you don't need AI to get a good computer controlled program.
This is enough to spin my head, nano tech to repair in flight - that's something to look out for.
But realistically I think as you mentioned in your first post - something similar to a car tyre - maybe the composites might seal the damage.
Realistically, it will be a film like sustance which is liquid in natural existence but will change shape and states when needed to be,, again, Mercury is one of the potential candidate. We cannot rule out nano-technology as you are talking about 10-20 years ahead, gods know what the world will becoming then...
Apparently, they also used Growlers during the Abottabad raid.
first they need to implement the 5th generation, they havent even replaced the new generation with the new one
Well actually this " Self Healing Airframe " idea is currently beyond what material technology can deliver ... So rule this out unless of course USA has a nice few tricks up its sleeves !
not that exotic, there are plenty of self healing plastic, concrete and composites out, self healing metals are certainly in the works
According to an old article that I used to read the Japanese already speculated that the next generation of jet fighter will be revolved around "Counter-Stealth"
But I digress the 6th gen or probably the 7th gen will be Drones, Drones and more Drones!. Let us face it there is no more need to put the Pilot in danger
there is nothing such as stealth........anything that is made of matter cant be stealth...radar is not the only mode to detect airplanes....we can use video cameras and binoculars too....
Pakistan should invest on large video cameras zoomed in and with a very wide field of view...connect them with LCD screens and make a command/observation center or make a separate organistion ...then make softwares so that if a plane is seen on LCD the alarm goes on....we can use the angle of cameras and the time of their detection on LCD screen to determine the location of the plane.........rest is history.
You live in LUND city of sweden?
Do you know what does LUND means in urdu?![]()
Not being a pakistani i don't know, but i do live in Lund, and i can imagine it's something like Intercourse, Pennsylvania
It means dick.![]()