auo al pahem when liberman offer the transfer the tringle to the palastine state they riject but they walk with palatien flag all the time they call them self palastien (but when it comes to lose the isrsel citizen they want its benefits) most of the arabs in israel feel palastine they call themselfs palastines not israelis but they want the high life standard that israel give
Slow and Gradual occupation of Masjid e Aqsa by Israel
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Hamas launch rocket attacks knowing that they will kill at most 1 person, possibly zero people, while in return Israel's strikes will kill 50-100
This isn't even fighting, they're cowards who only dare attack civilians. Wish Palestinians had a real leader. Palestinians need to consolidate the land they have first and rebuild before even thinking of fighting Israel
fight israel you know we can eliminate them from the map in one day if we want
Exactly my point. You don't attack with rockets when you know you can't win. First, make your nation strong enough to beat Israel, then attack. Ridiculous to do so now.
Personally, only Muslim nation who could even take Israel on is us, and I would not be in favour of that. The Arabs have supported us on diddly squat, they can fight their own wars themselves.
If Arab Nations had not cried about Israel, actually developed themselves with the Oil Money, and not blown away all public goodwill in terrorist attacks, they'd be in a much stronger position than they are. But then again, when have Arabs ever been smart?
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/police...ail&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-1774617bd2-54487785
Police video shows how Friday’s terrorists got their guns onto Temple Mount
Newly released security footage reveals fourth man who brought weapons onto site, shows attackers moments before they shot dead two police officers
BY ALEXANDER FULBRIGHT July 20, 2017, 4:04 pm 7
Security footage released by police on July 20, 2017, shows the three terrorists behind the Temple Mount shooting at the site the morning of the attack. (Screen capture: YouTube)
Police video shows how Friday’s terrorists got their guns onto Temple Mount
Newly released security footage reveals fourth man who brought weapons onto site, shows attackers moments before they shot dead two police officers
BY ALEXANDER FULBRIGHT July 20, 2017, 4:04 pm 7
Security footage released by police on July 20, 2017, shows the three terrorists behind the Temple Mount shooting at the site the morning of the attack. (Screen capture: YouTube)
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Thanks OP for brining the subject to attention. First of all, this measures are slow steps to exercise Israeli 'sovereignty' over East Jerusalem and regulate all aspects of life in the West Bank, so that when time comes for compromise, Israel will blackmail Palestinian side. Thus enables them to get the conditions they want. That's assuming Netanyahu is only extremist in public eye and is pragmatist in private and actually sees that the conflict needs an endgame. Otherwise this is for more total control.
Now regarding the Islamic aspect, unfortunately we are part of a community today that does not come forth to support of its people. Remember that Muslims are ordinary human beings of various ethnicities and races that volunteer to believe in and follow Islam. This itself is a burden in todays world, to be Muslim. And sadly none of us can look to each other for support. There should be a meeting in Mecca right now between scholars and general Muslim youth to discuss measures around this, but we know that won't be allowed. So Palestinians will do their best on Friday to gather around Jerusalem and the Masjid for popular and peaceful protest(as long as Israel doesn't make it violent) to stop these measures they are taking.
Israel is reportedly going to send 5 battalions into occupied territory to prevent this. Remember this was a mosque originally built by Umar Ibn Khattab, the second Caliph in Islam and one of closest companions to the Prophet(pbuh). Nevertheless, it seems Muslims don't see incentive in its affairs or anything related to Islam. And people like Netanyahu and other figures who dislike Islam/Muslims see that and will continue aggressive pursuit of their agendas.
Yes, PA condemned the attack, and it's sad to see Palestinian youth die so young and the Druze officers who are being used by Israeli Jews to further Likud agenda. PA security forces should be the ones securing the area but politics is preventing that.
Now regarding the Islamic aspect, unfortunately we are part of a community today that does not come forth to support of its people. Remember that Muslims are ordinary human beings of various ethnicities and races that volunteer to believe in and follow Islam. This itself is a burden in todays world, to be Muslim. And sadly none of us can look to each other for support. There should be a meeting in Mecca right now between scholars and general Muslim youth to discuss measures around this, but we know that won't be allowed. So Palestinians will do their best on Friday to gather around Jerusalem and the Masjid for popular and peaceful protest(as long as Israel doesn't make it violent) to stop these measures they are taking.
Israel is reportedly going to send 5 battalions into occupied territory to prevent this. Remember this was a mosque originally built by Umar Ibn Khattab, the second Caliph in Islam and one of closest companions to the Prophet(pbuh). Nevertheless, it seems Muslims don't see incentive in its affairs or anything related to Islam. And people like Netanyahu and other figures who dislike Islam/Muslims see that and will continue aggressive pursuit of their agendas.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/police...ail&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-1774617bd2-54487785
Police video shows how Friday’s terrorists got their guns onto Temple Mount
Newly released security footage reveals fourth man who brought weapons onto site, shows attackers moments before they shot dead two police officers
BY ALEXANDER FULBRIGHT July 20, 2017, 4:04 pm 7
Security footage released by police on July 20, 2017, shows the three terrorists behind the Temple Mount shooting at the site the morning of the attack. (Screen capture: YouTube)
Yes, PA condemned the attack, and it's sad to see Palestinian youth die so young and the Druze officers who are being used by Israeli Jews to further Likud agenda. PA security forces should be the ones securing the area but politics is preventing that.
In Israel, the Druze, the Circassians, the Christians and the Bedouins were the ones who wanted to enlist, Israel at first did not like the idea and slowly trusted it
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None of the groups you mentioned are collectively pursued and exploited as the Druze are. Israel takes advantage of their economic situation and cultural beliefs to be loyal to the local authority and thus actively recruits them to take on difficult tasks like the occupation in Gaza or now the West Bank.
Bedouins and the rest are just minding their own business. Palestinian Christians in the West Bank are not serving in the IDF. If you are referring to some in territories outside of West Bank/Gaza, I highly doubt any Christian cares for serving in a Jewish army. Maybe very few who are looking for a job. Anyway you guys are known for pillaging and killing bediouns:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-in-clashes-with-police-over-home-demolitions
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=755640
"Israel takes advantage" ???
Israel does not need them, they chose to enlist in the army, they also enlist in higher percentages than the Jews, and also enlist in combat service, they are proud to fight in the army of the Jews.
The Druze have no economic problems. On the contrary, in the army, you earn almost nothing. The army simply wastes 3 years from their life when they could work or study.
How the hell can Christians in the West Bank serve in the IDF? How? They are not Israelis at all!
I am talking about the Arab, Aramaic and Maronite Christians in Israel.
They don't have to enlist by law, they volunteer.
And they don't enlist for work, they enlist in combat service for three years and then they are released and go to university.
"I highly doubt any Christian cares for serving in a Jewish army"
Do you know why the Christian Arabs are enlisting?
Because they are afraid of Islam, they want to be free of "Palestinianism" and "Arabism," they want to return to their Aramaic roots, they don't want to be dimmis of the Muslims anymore.
Want to hear something else?
Their "Palestinian" brothers beat them, sabotage their homes, harass their families, threaten to murder them, and I talk about the Arabs in Israel.
Even the Bedouins don't call themselves "Palestinians" (unless the government gets them angry and then some tribes become Palestinians for one day).
"pillaging"?????
They get so much money from the government that they are the ones who rob the state.
And I have not talked about how they steal everything possible.
"killing" ???
The government has an argument with some tribes in the south about where they will live, the government tells them to move to the city with electricity, water and sewage, and they want to stay under the open air and live in tents and tin shacks.
Then one incident occurred when the police came to demolish illegal construction, and the Bedouins demonstrated, and then one of the Bedouin drove with a jeep quickly towards the policemen. The policemen were afraid and shot him.
In the end it turned out that the policemen had made a mistake and that the driver had not tried to run over the policemen, and that he had a policeman in his car.
How did you turn this into a deliberate killing and robbery of Jews against Bedouins?
All the Bedouins in the pictures that you brought in, they served in the army in combat units, they don't identify as "Palestinians", the opposite, they laugh at all the "Palestinians". They say all the time that they love the country and the Jews, but they have an argument with the government sometimes.
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Jerusalem - The Israeli government is engaging in "sectarian recruitment" for military service among Druze and Christian minority sects of Palestinian citizens of Israel, according to a recent report by Haifa-based non-governmental organisation Baladna Association for Arab Youth.
The report says that Israel is using the disadvantaged economic situation of Druze communities and distributing "aggressively sectarian literature" to Christian youth.
This, coupled with laws defining members of these groups by religious, and not ethnic labels, is creating an identity "that is separate from their Arab Palestinian identity".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/israeli-army-sectarian-recruiting-151101104209353.html
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Some Druze want to serve some don't, they are not all the same. IDF definitely does actively recruit, even for their own Jewish people. You're wasting your breath trying to deny that.
Buddy, you are the one pushing narrative that 'Christians' afraid of Islam thus joining the army or whatever. Which you're basing off 10,000 Maronite community in Israel that probably has little to nobody serving anyway. If you push a narrative like that you need to back it up with sources or realities on the ground. Palestinian Christians in West Bank or in Israel don't share your narrative as a collective whole. Some people just want to live life and remain neutral in the conflict. That's far from the 'Muslims vs everybody else' narrative you want us to believe.
This is a nationalist struggle and many infamous Palestinian Christians led it in the past and continue to partake in the cause today.
Yes, because of course there are Dimmi's in Palestine today.
Uhuh, cool, more unfounded baseless allegations.
Definitely looks like some 'dhimmi' land here. As usual you're some neocon troll pushing a false reality that originated from right wing Jewish American citizens of this 'religious' context to the conflict which is cheap, unoriginal and anti-Muslim. Should not be tolerated here. Reporting you if you troll like that again.
Baladna it's not a reliable source, they are propagandists.They invent stories instead of reporting stories.Jerusalem - The Israeli government is engaging in "sectarian recruitment" for military service among Druze and Christian minority sects of Palestinian citizens of Israel, according to a recent report by Haifa-based non-governmental organisation Baladna Association for Arab Youth.
The report says that Israel is using the disadvantaged economic situation of Druze communities and distributing "aggressively sectarian literature" to Christian youth.
This, coupled with laws defining members of these groups by religious, and not ethnic labels, is creating an identity "that is separate from their Arab Palestinian identity".
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/israeli-army-sectarian-recruiting-151101104209353.html
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Some Druze want to serve some don't, they are not all the same. IDF definitely does actively recruit, even for their own Jewish people. You're wasting your breath trying to deny that.
Buddy, you are the one pushing narrative that 'Christians' afraid of Islam thus joining the army or whatever. Which you're basing off 10,000 Maronite community in Israel that probably has little to nobody serving anyway. If you push a narrative like that you need to back it up with sources or realities on the ground. Palestinian Christians in West Bank or in Israel don't share your narrative as a collective whole. Some people just want to live life and remain neutral in the conflict. That's far from the 'Muslims vs everybody else' narrative you want us to believe.
This is a nationalist struggle and many infamous Palestinian Christians led it in the past and continue to partake in the cause today.
Yes, because of course there are Dimmi's in Palestine today.
Uhuh, cool, more unfounded baseless allegations.
Definitely looks like some 'dhimmi' land here. As usual you're some neocon troll pushing a false reality that originated from right wing Jewish American citizens of this 'religious' context to the conflict which is cheap, unoriginal and anti-Muslim. Should not be tolerated here. Reporting you if you troll like that again.
Israel is not trying to pressure people to enlist, there is a draft law.
The Druze demanded that the draft law be applied to them, as well as the Circassians.
The rest are volunteers.
It was the Christians who said "We see what the Muslims are doing to the Christians in the Middle East, and in Israel we are the safest, in order to preserve Israel and to integrate into the only safe place in the region we will join the army".
They also said, "I am not a Palestinian, I am not an Arab, I am a Christian, I am an Aramic who speaks Arabic because of the Arab occupation of the Middle East, so Israel is not the enemy ".
Of course not everyone thinks so
But there are a lot of people who think that way,
Slowly, more and more Christians are declaring this publicly.
The Christians also claim "there is an Islamic conquest of Nazareth Bethlehem and Jerusalem".
Israel is the one who called everyone Arabs so that she would not have a headache.
But all the minorities didn't like it, they asked the state to recognize their identity, otherwise we are not a developed country but a state like the rest of the Arab countries, which motivated the process of recognition of the different identities.
It's not Muslims against everyone
It is radical Islam against everyone
The Christians claim that they are dimmi
That they are not Arabs but Arameans, who are not equal to Muslims, who are harassed because they are Christians.
It's not my narrative, I quote other people.
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Wasn't this mosque in question a Jewish Temple and the holiest Jewish place much earlier?
The Islamists desecrated one of the holiest of Hindu temples in Ayodhya, India - the birth place of Lord Ram, as well. That, along with literally millions of other temples.
Serious question - what is with their fascination for demolishing an original structure that belongs to some other religion and then building their own at the same place and then claim it as one of their own holiest places?
Back in India, the mosque they built was not even being used for worship for a long time and even if they did, it wasn't even a significant mosque until they made it one.
They believe in one God that "religion in Allah is Islam"
Therefore, all other religions are null and void, and they have to be replaced with mosques. People should convert to Islam, and so on.
Their war on the Temple Mount is because the prosperity of the Jews causes them a theological problem. For example, the very fact that there are mosques on the holiest place for Jews means that Islam won and the Jews lost, but once the Jews return to being the owners of the house it means that the Jews are coming back to life. And Judaism is not a religion, and Jews have no territory because Allah punished them.
It's not that complicated to understand.
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