Slammed by global tech giants, Pakistan to revisit Internet censorship rules

[Cookie Monster]

They should be allowed to leave. Tech giants are making truck loads of money from Pakistan, pay no taxes and facilitate terrorists and militants.

If they need Pakistani users, they can come back after meeting our demands. Otherwise, we'll build our own system like China has.

It would be a weak move by the government if they change laws based on pressure from these companies. These companies depend on users for their profits...not the governments. If they threaten to leave then they should be allowed to pack up and leave. Some other company would be all too happy to swoop in and get the business opportunities vacated by these companies threatening to leave.

 

[blueazure]

It would be a weak move by the government if they change laws based on pressure from these companies. These companies depend on users for their profits...not the governments. If they threaten to leave then they should be allowed to pack up and leave. Some other company would be all too happy to swoop in and get the business opportunities vacated by these companies threatening to leave.

1 .thousands of free lancers in Pakistan are earning a livelihood via facebook, youtube etc.

2.the access of social media has broken the monopoly of marasi media and news papers .

3 .i know people who have been lifted out of poverty thanks to social media.



option A . make your own social media( like VK, yandex, QQ, weibu ) ( regulate it as much as you want)

option B. kick google out , another foreign company will come in and you will still complain ,

They should be allowed to leave. Tech giants are making truck loads of money from Pakistan, pay no taxes and facilitate terrorists and militants.

If they need Pakistani users, they can come back after meeting our demands. Otherwise, we'll build our own system like China has.

taxation doesnt apply when the company(facebook, google) is not even registered /incorporated in pakistan .

tax can apply on the individual users making money from the platform

 

[Cookie Monster]

1 .thousands of free lancers in Pakistan are earning a livelihood via facebook, youtube etc.

2.the access of social media has broken the monopoly of marasi media and news papers .

3 .i know people who have been lifted out of poverty thanks to social media.



option A . make your own social media( like VK, yandex, QQ, weibu ) ( regulate it as much as you want)

option B. kick google out , another foreign company will come in and you will still complain ,




taxation doesnt apply when the company(facebook, google) is not even registered /incorporated in pakistan .

tax can apply on the individual users making money from the platform

I'm not saying that there should be a black out.

Of course these are options...to have ur own social media...or to have some other foreign competitor fill the void. The point I'm making is that it is not these companies that hold the power to dictate what laws the government can or cannot pass/enforce. If they overstep their boundaries...the government shouldn't buckle under the pressure of private companies and stand firm. At the end of the day it is social media companies like these that need the users(Pakistani ppl in this case) so they need to behave and operate according to law of the land. Google is willing to go as far as to show Pak's Kashmir as part of India on its maps as per Indian demand...and to Pak they have the audacity to threaten to leave. This is why I'm saying that Pak gov should show some balls rather than giving in.

 

[blueazure]

I'm not saying that there should be a black out.

Of course these are options...to have ur own social media...or to have some other foreign competitor fill the void. The point I'm making is that it is not these companies that hold the power to dictate what laws the government can or cannot pass/enforce. If they overstep their boundaries...the government shouldn't buckle under the pressure of private companies and stand firm. At the end of the day it is social media companies like these that need the users(Pakistani ppl in this case) so they need to behave and operate according to law of the land. Google is willing to go as far as to show Pak's Kashmir as part of India on its maps as per Indian demand...and to Pak they have the audacity to threaten to leave. This is why I'm saying that Pak gov should show some balls rather than giving in.

my friend , money and power is at work here, these companies have trillion dollar valuations and cash revenues alone far exceeding our GDP ,

its very difficult to 'win' against them unless you are the US or Chinese govt ,

law of pakistan simply cannot work here since legally, google /fb / twitter are all offshore companies incorporated else where.


this is my beef with this govt and its naive supporters = instead of focusing on real issues, they are meddling in petty matters only to embarrass themselves later on,

regulating a bank or forcing taxes on people is one thing, fighting an 'internet ' war with the 'big 3' is another.

 

[Cookie Monster]

my friend , money and power is at work here, these companies have trillion dollar valuations and cash revenues alone far exceeding our GDP ,

its very difficult to 'win' against them unless you are the US or Chinese govt ,

law of pakistan simply cannot work here since legally, google /fb / twitter are all offshore companies incorporated else where.


this is my beef with this govt and its naive supporters = instead of focusing on real issues, they are meddling in petty matters only to embarrass themselves later on,

regulating a bank or forcing taxes on people is one thing, fighting an 'internet ' war with the 'big 3' is another.

A government's job is to do EVERYTHING. U can't criticize them for working on thing A and not thing B. Instead ur criticism should be that they are not working on thing B...that's it. Why the criticism for working on thing A? That's actual work...and it is within the scope of the government's job.

So if u feel that they need to better their tax policies...good...go ahead and criticize them by saying something like "they are not taking enough action against tax evasion"...
...it would be wrong to say something like "instead of focusing on censorship they should be focusing on curbing tax evasion". It's not a binary thing...it's not either a 0 or a 1. The focus should be on ALL things...they are running a country...not a roadside dhaba.

As for these companies having a trillion dollar valuation and not paying attention to Pak government's policies just bcuz Pak is a poor country...that's an absurd argument. So now we should let monetary value decide on who follows the law and who is above it? So basically if u r poor the law applies to u and if u r rich u can break the law with impunity?

If these companies are using that mindset...then that's their thinking...it should not be our thinking. This is why it's all the more important that Pak government puts down its foot and show them the door if they are not willing to abide by the law.

There are two things that can happen...
1) These companies leave Pak...some local companies or some other foreign companies fill the void.

2) These companies see that the government isnt going to give in under pressure...and they will eat their words...abide by the law and stay.

In either case it is a lose lose situation for them.

U think these trillion dollar valuations are gonna help them to do as they please? Do u know how many governments in the world are more strict than Pakistani government? If these companies are really true to their word and riding high and mighty on their immense valuation...and they leave the country that imposes its law on them...pretty soon they will find themselves limited to just about US, western Europe, and a handful of other countries.

 

[blueazure]

A government's job is to do EVERYTHING. U can't criticize them for working on thing A and not thing B. Instead ur criticism should be that they are not working on thing B...that's it. Why the criticism for working on thing A? That's actual work...and it is within the scope of the government's job.

So if u feel that they need to better their tax policies...good...go ahead and criticize them by saying something like "they are not taking enough action against tax evasion"...
...it would be wrong to say something like "instead of focusing on censorship they should be focusing on curbing tax evasion". It's not a binary thing...it's not either a 0 or a 1. The focus should be on ALL things...they are running a country...not a roadside dhaba.

As for these companies having a trillion dollar valuation and not paying attention to Pak government's policies just bcuz Pak is a poor country...that's an absurd argument. So now we should let monetary value decide on who follows the law and who is above it? So basically if u r poor the law applies to u and if u r rich u can break the law with impunity?

If these companies are using that mindset...then that's their thinking...it should not be our thinking. This is why it's all the more important that Pak government puts down its foot and show them the door of they are not willing to abide by the law.

There are two things that will happen...
1) These companies leave Pak...some local companies or some other foreign company fills the void.

2) These companies see that the government isnt going to give in under pressure...and they will eat their words...abide by the law and stay.

In either case it is a lose lose situation for them.

U think these trillion dollars valuations are gonna help them to do as they please? Do u know how many governments in the world are more strict than Pakistani government? If these companies are really true to their word and riding high and mighty on their immense valuation...and they leave the country that imposes it's law on them...pretty soon they will find themselves limited to just about US, western Europe, and a handful of other countries.

be my guest and fight these giants ,

last time i checked, PTI it self was the biggest user of these platforms to project its narrative and its political agenda.

what was kosher before 2018 is now an enemy , hmmmmm

 

[Cookie Monster]

be my guest and fight these giants ,

last time i checked, PTI it self was the biggest user of these platforms to project its narrative and its political agenda.

what was kosher before 2018 is now an enemy , hmmmmm

Unfortunately for me I'm not in control...and hence I can only voice my opinion...and I'm basing my opinion on principles that do not change based on how much a company is worth. Laws are meant to be followed...if a law is unfair it is the job of the judiciary and the ppl to use checks and balances(or if all else fails then through protests) to change it. We cannot allow a rich company to do as they please just bcuz they are rich.

 

[Vortex]

the stupidity of arguments and lack of knowledge of social media by above posters is appalling to say the least .

like a frenzied lynch mob, posters here baton charge anything ---



1. let them leave pakistan,

2. those blood suckers social media companies

3. they support PTM pages



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facebook, twitter, google , = their stock mkt cap is x4 times pakistan total GDP . for them, pakistan doesnt count a bit sans a data listening post . asking them to 'regulate' and open offices here is plain stupid

on one hand, our courts are letting go PTM activists and granting them bails, even MNA seats are given to them, yet on the other hand, we are 'scolding' facebook to block their pages, WTF


the only way is to make your own social media = wechat, VK, QQ ( like russia and china did ) , and i doubt we can do that ,,, ( our IT talent sucks to be honest)

1 .thousands of free lancers in Pakistan are earning a livelihood via facebook, youtube etc.

2.the access of social media has broken the monopoly of marasi media and news papers .

3 .i know people who have been lifted out of poverty thanks to social media.



option A . make your own social media( like VK, yandex, QQ, weibu ) ( regulate it as much as you want)

option B. kick google out , another foreign company will come in and you will still complain ,




taxation doesnt apply when the company(facebook, google) is not even registered /incorporated in pakistan .

tax can apply on the individual users making money from the platform

my friend , money and power is at work here, these companies have trillion dollar valuations and cash revenues alone far exceeding our GDP ,

its very difficult to 'win' against them unless you are the US or Chinese govt ,

law of pakistan simply cannot work here since legally, google /fb / twitter are all offshore companies incorporated else where.


this is my beef with this govt and its naive supporters = instead of focusing on real issues, they are meddling in petty matters only to embarrass themselves later on,

regulating a bank or forcing taxes on people is one thing, fighting an 'internet ' war with the 'big 3' is another.

Bhai Sahab,

Thanks calling our arguments stupid.

Now read the first message : it was about the draft of new law in Pakistan and those trillion dollars’ capitalisation companies threatening to leave Pakistan... and read the article I have posted about the right given to those same companies of.... censorship by the mighty US justice.


So what ? Because those companies are valued about trillions dollars that we should let them to do whatever they want ? India also has a big “capitalisation” so we should let them to do whatever they want by your logics.

What you failed to understand is the 5th gen war we as Pakistanis are facing. And all the data syphonning is part of this 5th gen war. Remember Facebook scandal with Cambridge Analycta for influencing US election and surely elsewhere too ? Seems don’t bothering you.

Even in USA, some voices are rising to counter the bigger power of those companies than the power of State. So I let you imagine how stupid are our arguments. Yes maybe we don’t know how works social media, and you should know better than other. (Lol - dont take the last sentence seriously).


Now tell me what is worth for you ? Few dollars on short time and or try hard to build your own ecosystem in Pakistan? If you have doubts about our capabilities, I won’t blame you, but I will reply you who thought we will have Nukes, JF17 ? When there is a will, there is always possibility of success. Without will...

Read again my previous post where I told that we should ban but we should offer something which will replace those foreign companies who do not want to comply to Pakistan new rules.

Slammed by global tech giants, Pakistan to revisit Internet censorship rules

 

[airmarshal]

Typical excuse of human right and freedom of speech to hide their nature of generating fake news to serve some country global domination and imperialism. Pakistan need to stand firm and rebuke back those media firm. They need to be taught a lesson. Pakistan need no advice from those profit making media on how they shall set their domestic law and run the country.

Not just fake news. With these social media outlets, forces that disparage religion, society and create anarchy are encouraged.

 

[Verve]

What will be the annual financial hit to Pak economy if these big 3 are banned?

 

[maithil]

Overseas Pakistani people demanding the big three to be kicked out. How patriotic.

 

[Vortex]

Overseas Pakistani people demanding the big three to be kicked out. How patriotic.

Google is infested by indians. I understand your position. Thanks a lot even if nobody asked you your personal opinion.

 

[alibaz]

be my guest and fight these giants ,

last time i checked, PTI it self was the biggest user of these platforms to project its narrative and its political agenda.

what was kosher before 2018 is now an enemy , hmmmmm

Unfortunately we take it down to a petty level, the matter is much beyond utilization of social media by PTI, PML, PPP or any other political party. These social media companies collect out data and use for their purpose meaning that we are the commodity and the same data may be used against our national interest. They do not even bother to respond to requests by sovereign states by assessing on their own yardstick. They have spread their tentacles across the globe to avoid legal jurisdictions of the states therefore, there is a need to put some sort of checks on them to make them answerable to states with an aim to ensure that their services are not misused in a particular country. I believe its a good beginning to bring them on table.

 

[Protest_again]

1 .thousands of free lancers in Pakistan are earning a livelihood via facebook, youtube etc.

2.the access of social media has broken the monopoly of marasi media and news papers .

3 .i know people who have been lifted out of poverty thanks to social media.



option A . make your own social media( like VK, yandex, QQ, weibu ) ( regulate it as much as you want)

option B. kick google out , another foreign company will come in and you will still complain ,




taxation doesnt apply when the company(facebook, google) is not even registered /incorporated in pakistan .

tax can apply on the individual users making money from the platform

They are planning another ban.