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Six $10b coal-fired plants in Punjab announced

PAK MA coal achi quality ka nai hota :( ..
$10 billion coal project pay laganay say behtar ha nuclear plant laga day ya phir bhasha dam .
btw mujhay to lagta ha GANJU party nay awaam ko goli di ha . har bar ki trah :D
10$ BILLION kis say mangay gy ?
 
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With so many coal fired plants belching thousand upon thosands tons of SO2 and CO in the air imagine the health of people in this small province.

Not only there's they would mess up the health go people of Indian Punjab.

What about coal-power plants in India? Are these plants doing any favors to us in Pakistan? What an idiotic observation...
 
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Chak Bamu,

India is way to smart to build so large and so many coal fired power plants. They build but either gas fired which put out far less CO2 and SO2 and CO in the air or from now onwards build nuclear power plants.

It is stupidity to build so many large scale power plants with Coal as feed stock.

Chinese did the same last 30 years back, and learnt the hard way with acid rain, dying lakes and vegetation. Did you know that Chinese are loosing 8 million acres of fertile land every five years. The Pakistani Punjab does not have the advantage to loose that kind of land to acid rain.

Imagine the impact of CO2 and SO2 and CO on people's health. They will soon be victim of unknown diseases which originate from these gases.
 
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Chak Bamu,

India is way to smart to build so large and so many coal fired power plants. They build but either gas fired which put out far less CO2 and SO2 and CO in the air or from now onwards build nuclear power plants.

It is stupidity to build so many large scale power plants with Coal as feed stock.

Chinese did the same last 30 years back, and learnt the hard way with acid rain, dying lakes and vegetation. Did you know that Chinese are loosing 8 million acres of fertile land every five years. The Pakistani Punjab does not have the advantage to loose that kind of land to acid rain.

Imagine the impact of CO2 and SO2 and CO on people's health. They will soon be victim of unknown diseases which originate from these gases.


I am well aware of the issues connected with having these plants. However I would like to point out that while India operates more than 11000 MW coal-fired power plants in states bordering Pakistan (Punjab & Rajasthan only), what point, then, are you trying to make? Better campaign against coal based power plants in India than come tell us in Pakistan that these are not good for us.

Did you think about:

1. Pakistan's Punjab is many times bigger than Indian Punjab? With about 4000 MW coal powered plants running in such a small geographical area as Indian Punjab, you should really raise the issue with GOI.

2. We in Pakistan are willing to accept short term effects for immediate relief. These plants are not meant to run for ever.

3. In most of the region meant for these plants, the soil is very Alkaline. Some acid rain would actually be good.

4. When people have economic opportunities, they can then worry about health. If they are hungry, they are already unhealthy. We need energy now. We can worry about health later.

Have a look at this site, it might do you good. List of Coal PowerPlants - GEO
 
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I agree with @Chak Bamu that we have to do everything to generate cheap electricity. Chinese produce most of their electricity with coal which is one of the reasons for smog in every major city of theirs. America continued to produce electricity with similar fossil fuels and is one of the reason behind most of the CO2 in earth's atmosphere, and still does not want to sign any protocol about control on Carbon emissions.

Still most of the CO2 and related pollutants will mostly affect our atmosphere, and it would be wise to take whatever measures we can take to control emission of pollutants and we should ask experts to take most effective measures in this regard to minimize this effect as much as we can. There is no excuse about neglecting this step just because every other country is producing electricity with coal.

It will be wise to suggest that costs of related climate changes and in the weather patterns around the world, might outweigh any benefit from producing cheaper electricity. We do not fully understand the extent and consequences of climate changes which can be frightening. But controlling such effects requires collective effort all around the world, and there is no point in being a hero when every other country is producing electricity with coal. It only means that those countries would have amassed far more wealth by the time calamities of climate changes show their maximum effect on earth, and those countries will be better positioned to tackle the problem.
 
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LAHORE - Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has said the country at present is in a state of war and the whole nation needs to be on the same page to rise to the occasion and defeat terrorism and extremism.
Addressing a press conference here on Wednesday the chief minister said the country was facing attacks from all the four sides and time had come for the entire nation to decide how the monster of terrorism could to be brought under control.
The CM also announced $10 billion six coal-based energy plants in Punjab to secure about 6,000mw electricity within next three to five years. He said following a national conference the prime minister made hectic efforts to win peace through dialogue and still this option had not been abandoned, but what had happened during the last week was quite outrageous. Now, he said, the situation had become intolerable and the whole nation must decide how peace could be achieved in the country, which was a dire need for economic progress and prosperity of the nation.
Flanked by provincial ministers, Rana Sanaullah Khan, Sher Ali, Malik Nadeem Kamran and Ch Shafiq, the chief minister told media persons that the Punjab government had previously planned to get electricity from Gaddani, Karachi port, but it had changed its mind when it transpired that line losses and the transmission of electricity from that imported plant in Gaddani were equal, but the ultimate cost of energy was much higher that of coal-based plants. Now the Punjab government, after technical surveys and deliberations, had identified six sites for installing coal-based plants, two in the public and four in the private sector.
When asked whether Gaddani had been shelved, he said no, it would be carried out by the federal government. The CM said coal-based plants were cost-effective against the thermal-based electricity which was costing Rs 18 per unit, more than double the coal-based electricity. He said 65 per cent of electricity generation in the country was thermal-based for which annual import of diesel and furnace oil was to the tune of $10 billion which was a huge burden on the national kitty. Contrary to it, coal-based electricity would not only enable the government to cut down tariff rate with the passage of time but would also ensure round-the-clock and throughout-the-year electricity production.
Shahbaz Sharif noted from his recent visit to India and Germany where coal-based plants were contributing to over 60 percent need of the total energy. The CM said a complete transparency and fair play would be adopted while calling tenders for setting up coal plants in the private sector. He said proper advertisements would be given through the media and contracts awarded maintaining openness, competitiveness and transparency by March next.
He said the Punjab government would set up two plants of total 1320mw, each costing $1.2 billion. The chief minister said international law on protecting environment would be fully observed by installing low-emission plants. He also told media persons that Railway Minster Khwaja Saad Rafiq had promised to ensure availability and regular transportation of imported coal to the coal-based power plants to be set up in Qadirabad, (district Sahiwal), Bhakhi (Shaikhupura), Haveli Bahadur Shah (Jhang), Balloki (Kasur), Tarinda Sawewala (Rahim Yar Khan and Mauza Karamdad Qureshi (Muzaffargarh) where adequate water and railway lines existed.

Six $10b coal-fired plants in Punjab announced

So what happened to this ??? Where is the Punjabis money gone to now?
 
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your posting so many articles, have any of them actually been completed or in progress?. based off 1 year performance and look at PML-N track record they should be in progress by now.
 
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your posting so many articles, have any of them actually been completed or in progress?. based off 1 year performance and look at PML-N track record they should be in progress by now.

Lets face it. When they came to power, their hands were full but despite all that they have put a lot of effort on national issues from economy to war on terror. I mean how many countries do we really see that produce an economic growth rate from 3 to 5 %, dollar rate from 105 to 97, reduce billions of circular debt, increase Railway Revenue up to 36%, increase FDI by 80%, GSP Plus from Europe, all in 9 months ? The fact that there are no drone strikes, and the fact that recent peace talks with Taliban have reduced violance in the country is also one heck of major achievement

Energy projects are not instant. They take several years to be built. Typically a hydro power usually takes 7 years, nuclear takes 5 years, coal 2 years, and wind and solar 1-2 years. Had they been started or at least progressed under previous governments, perhaps it would have taken less time. Otherwise, new governments mean new policies, and new partners
 
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Hoooold on, don't go praising the man just yet.

$10 billion dollars, where is Pakistan getting that money from? We're barely paying for what we already have, and Pakistan's finances are getting worse by the day. Admittedly, it'll be in the clear by the end of 2015, but even then, $10 billion?
Not only that. $13 billion worth nuclear power plants are being bought from China too! So that's a whopping $23 billion for energy alone. Then there's the LMRTRP that requires an investment of $6bn which is partly funded by the ADB and to be completed by 2015/16.

So $30 billion or PKR 300,000 crores to be coughed up for these projects alone !! Now that's a lot of dosh!! :woot:
 
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Lets face it. When they came to power, their hands were full but despite all that they have put a lot of effort on national issues from economy to war on terror. I mean how many countries do we really see that produce an economic growth rate from 3 to 5 %, dollar rate from 105 to 97, reduce billions of circular debt, increase Railway Revenue up to 36%, increase FDI by 80%, GSP Plus from Europe, all in 9 months ? The fact that there are no drone strikes, and the fact that recent peace talks with Taliban have reduced violance in the country is also one heck of major achievement

Energy projects are not instant. They take several years to be built. Typically a hydro power usually takes 7 years, nuclear takes 5 years, coal 2 years, and wind and solar 1-2 years. Had they been started or at least progressed under previous governments, perhaps it would have taken less time. Otherwise, new governments mean new policies, and newer partners
taking more credit then is due, drone strikes lets face it it was purely IK work, as for growth rate from 3-5% I was reading up an article which stated that the 5% growth was false and was more closer to 4%. the gsp plus had most of its work done before NS government, you guys just happen to be in the centre when it happened. I agree with you on with 105 to 97 you guys did do that much, but at the same time the amount that devalued during your term and amount that you got back isn't sufficient. As for your circular debt story it has come back bigger and worse. "railway is one big achievement during your tenure" :tup:. FDI so far has all been talk but once we some real progress then I can give you another 2 thumbs up, but still its much better then the previous government :tup:. As for the terrorist issue Nisar should be given full credit for it :tup:.

taking more credit then is due, drone strikes lets face it it was purely IK work, as for growth rate from 3-5% I was reading up an article which stated that the 5% growth was false and was more closer to 4%. the gsp plus had most of its work done before NS government, you guys just happen to be in the centre when it happened. I agree with you on with 105 to 97 you guys did do that much, but at the same time the amount that devalued during your term and amount that you got back isn't sufficient. As for your circular debt story it has come back bigger and worse. "railway is one big achievement during your tenure" :tup:. FDI so far has all been talk but once we some real progress then I can give you another 2 thumbs up, but still its much better then the previous government :tup:. As for the terrorist issue Nisar should be given full credit for it :tup:.
P.S. by the 5th year we shouldn't have any load shedding.
 
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Hoooold on, don't go praising the man just yet.

$10 billion dollars, where is Pakistan getting that money from? We're barely paying for what we already have, and Pakistan's finances are getting worse by the day. Admittedly, it'll be in the clear by the end of 2015, but even then, $10 billion?

Not only that $10 billion seems like a lot of money for 6,000 MW Coal based plants.

For example India is building many 4000MW coal based mega powerplants each costing roughly $4 billion(INR 25,000).

Now by that scale u can get 10,000MW power in India for $10 billion.

N not only that the electricity tariff rates will also be considerably lower of these mega projects i.e. INR 3/unit or even lesser.

I doubt Pak that would even be able able to sell electricity even at INR 6/unit considering the high initial cost involved.

Odisha, TN UMPP final price bid to open on Feb 26 - The Hindu: Mobile Edition
 
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Not only that $10 billion seems like a lot of money for 6,000 MW Coal based plants.

For example India is building many 4000MW coal based mega powerplants each costing roughly $4 billion(INR 25,000).

Now by that scale u can get 10,000MW power in India for $10 billion.

N not only that the electricity tariff rates will also be considerably lower of these mega projects i.e. INR 3/unit or even lesser.

I doubt Pak that would even be able able to sell electricity even at INR 6/unit considering the high initial cost involved.

Odisha, TN UMPP final price bid to open on Feb 26 - The Hindu: Mobile Edition
foreign and private investment.
while 2000mw is asain bank loan.
it seem sgovt of punjab intersted itself in 1 660mw plant.
2200 nuclear is through soft chinese loan
dasu 4000mw through world bank
buni 7100 its planned by direct without bidding contracts but we dontk now yet
bhasha dam if govt is ready to finace 30% then world bank is ready to finace the project
70% of indian energy comes from coal which is massive.
by comparison its nothing in Pakistan. we can easily afford to add 20-30 k mw through coal without any worries
 
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foreign and private investment.
while 2000mw is asain bank loan.
it seem sgovt of punjab intersted itself in 1 660mw plant.
2200 nuclear is through soft chinese loan
dasu 4000mw through world bank
buni 7100 its planned by direct without bidding contracts but we dontk now yet
bhasha dam if govt is ready to finace 30% then world bank is ready to finace the project
70% of indian energy comes from coal which is massive.
by comparison its nothing in Pakistan. we can easily afford to add 20-30 k mw through coal without any worries

Whether u get the money from soft loans or world bank, u'll have to repay it. Besides its not about where u'll arrange the money or how much u can produce but rather How Efficient n Cost Effective u can be, thats what i wanted to say in my post.

PLz read it again what i said. At the end of the day its ur people money whether u waste it or utilize it its upto u guys.:)
 
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Dude, any idea what's India's mix of Energy? :blink:

With so many coal fired plants belching thousand upon thosands tons of SO2 and CO in the air imagine the health of people in this small province.

Not only there's they would mess up the health go people of Indian Punjab.
 
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