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I want to know what Indonesian forumers think about this issue (Haze, not anti this or that).
We have this issue for decades. However, it seems like no one give a shxt (because i see no result).
Regarding the mentality of the Indonesia officer (as described in article below), I'm so sad to say we (Malaysian) also have same type of politician. :hitwall:
Singapore slams Indonesia over haze response as schools shut - Yahoo News Singapore

Singapore slammed "shocking" statements from Indonesian officials over a haze crisis as it closed all schools and distributed protective face masks Friday after the air pollution index soared to hazardous levels.

The city-state has been cloaked in smog blown in from tinder-dry Sumatra island for about three weeks, the worst such episode since mid-2013 in a crisis that grips the region nearly ever year during the burning-off season.

The closure of primary and secondary schools as well as government-run kindergartens due to the haze problem is unprecedented, the Straits Times daily said as the air quality index shot up above 300, a level considered "hazardous".

As the pollution index rose, so did tempers, with Singapore Foreign Minister K. Shanmugam speaking out against some Indonesian figures who made light of the problem, which has long strained relations among affected countries including Malaysia.

He was joined by former prime minister Goh Chok Tong who said Friday the "real solution" is with Indonesia rooting out the cause at the source.

"If Indonesia can stamp out illegal burning, they will gain investor confidence in their abilities to tackle other complex challenges," he said on Facebook.

"The haze is their litmus test for effective administration and regional leadership," added Goh, who is now an elected MP who holds the honorary title emeritus senior minister.
Shanmugam said that while Jakarta says it is taking steps to deal with the problem, "at the same time, we are hearing some shocking statements made, at senior levels, from Indonesia, with a complete disregard for our people, and their own".

"How is it possible for senior people in government to issue such statements, without any regard for their people, or ours, and without any embarrassment, or sense of responsibility?" he said.

- 'Never thanked us' -

Shanmugan did not identify the officials, but Indonesian Vice-President Jusuf Kalla has made waves in recent weeks by repeating comments he made in March that Indonesia's neighbours should be grateful for good air quality most of the year.

"For 11 months, they enjoyed nice air from Indonesia and they never thanked us," he said at the time.

Indonesian presidential spokesman Ari Dwipayana declined to comment on Shanmugam's remarks, but said Indonesia's neighbours should also take note of Jakarta's efforts to contain the fires.

"The president has stated that all force has been mobilised, we are going all out to put out the fires by water-bombing and weather modification," he told AFP.

"The president has also directly visited the impacted area, and this shows how serious we are in handling the forest fires and haze," he said, referring to Indonesian leader Joko Widodo's trip to smog-choked areas on the Indonesian part of Borneo island.

Haze conditions in Singapore improved somewhat throughout Friday and fell below the level considered hazardous but remained in the "very unhealthy" range.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that Singapore has offered Indonesia help in putting out the fires "and asked them to share with us the identity of companies responsible for causing the haze".

Indonesia has previously said that Singapore-based companies were among those responsible for the blazes, caused by smallholders and agricultural companies using burning as a method to clear land for plantations during summer.

Under pressure from its neighbours to stop the annual haze, Widodo has pledged to crack down on companies and individuals behind the burnings.
About 3,000 troops and police have been sent to Sumatra to fight the fires, with Indonesian authorities saying last week it would take a month to bring them under control.

Indonesian environment ministry spokesman Eka W. Sugiri said 25 aircraft have been deployed to fight the fires through water-bombing and chemically inducing rainfall.
 
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No we are not in a position of being under pressured by Singapore in anyway. Actually our people in Sumatra is our concern. Not a Singapore government.

We even name our new light frigate as Usman Harun, despite Singapore government strong protest, who are in the past had a task to bomb Singapore which actually was the first step scenario before taking that island fully. Not successful attempt though after British, Australia, and New Zealand join to fight against us.

KRI_Usman_Harun_blogspot.jpg


Usman Harun
 
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:hitwall: (again)....
I'm not saying SG try to push you to do this or that; the point is ID need to do something about the haze. Because it affect the SG, MY and your own people in ID. Or your mentality is just like those ID politician as described in the article :coffee: (if yes, i give up).

No we are not in a position of being under pressured by Singapore in anyway. Actually our people in Sumatra is our concern. Not a Singapore government.

We even name our new light frigate as Usman Harun, despite Singapore government strong protest, which are in the past had a task to bomb Singapore which actually was the first step scenario before taking that island fully. Not successful attempt though after British, Australia, and New Zealand join to fight against us.

KRI_Usman_Harun_blogspot.jpg


Usman Harun
 
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:hitwall: (again)....
I'm not saying SG try to push you to do this or that; the point is ID need to do something about the haze. Because it affect the SG, MY and your own people in ID. Or your mentality is just like those ID politician as described in the article :coffee: (if yes, i give up).

We do concern about the haze, and it also impact our people in Sumatra. We have already done some measure like freezing three companies operation right who are blamed to have a connection with the fire.

One of the company actually belongs to a strong man who is Sandiaga Uno, this person is a new candidate for Jakarta governor and has good relation with Golkar party (one of the strongest party in Indonesia).

Sandiago-Uno-Prabowo-spokesman-20140706.jpg


Sandiaga Uno

So no one can escape from the law, it shows that we are serious.

Tiga Izin Perusahaan Sawit Dibekukan, Salah Satunya Milik Sandiaga…
 
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this haze has been happening for over 20 years....talk..talk...still haze..
indonesia is a bane
 
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that is one sided article.

I want to know what Indonesian forumers think about this issue (Haze, not anti this or that).
We have this issue for decades. However, it seems like no one give a shxt (because i see no result).
Regarding the mentality of the Indonesia officer (as described in article below), I'm so sad to say we (Malaysian) also have same type of politician. :hitwall:
Singapore slams Indonesia over haze response as schools shut - Yahoo News Singapore

Singapore slammed "shocking" statements from Indonesian officials over a haze crisis as it closed all schools and distributed protective face masks Friday after the air pollution index soared to hazardous levels.

The city-state has been cloaked in smog blown in from tinder-dry Sumatra island for about three weeks, the worst such episode since mid-2013 in a crisis that grips the region nearly ever year during the burning-off season.

The closure of primary and secondary schools as well as government-run kindergartens due to the haze problem is unprecedented, the Straits Times daily said as the air quality index shot up above 300, a level considered "hazardous".

As the pollution index rose, so did tempers, with Singapore Foreign Minister K. Shanmugam speaking out against some Indonesian figures who made light of the problem, which has long strained relations among affected countries including Malaysia.

He was joined by former prime minister Goh Chok Tong who said Friday the "real solution" is with Indonesia rooting out the cause at the source.

"If Indonesia can stamp out illegal burning, they will gain investor confidence in their abilities to tackle other complex challenges," he said on Facebook.

"The haze is their litmus test for effective administration and regional leadership," added Goh, who is now an elected MP who holds the honorary title emeritus senior minister.
Shanmugam said that while Jakarta says it is taking steps to deal with the problem, "at the same time, we are hearing some shocking statements made, at senior levels, from Indonesia, with a complete disregard for our people, and their own".

"How is it possible for senior people in government to issue such statements, without any regard for their people, or ours, and without any embarrassment, or sense of responsibility?" he said.

- 'Never thanked us' -

Shanmugan did not identify the officials, but Indonesian Vice-President Jusuf Kalla has made waves in recent weeks by repeating comments he made in March that Indonesia's neighbours should be grateful for good air quality most of the year.

"For 11 months, they enjoyed nice air from Indonesia and they never thanked us," he said at the time.

Indonesian presidential spokesman Ari Dwipayana declined to comment on Shanmugam's remarks, but said Indonesia's neighbours should also take note of Jakarta's efforts to contain the fires.

"The president has stated that all force has been mobilised, we are going all out to put out the fires by water-bombing and weather modification," he told AFP.

"The president has also directly visited the impacted area, and this shows how serious we are in handling the forest fires and haze," he said, referring to Indonesian leader Joko Widodo's trip to smog-choked areas on the Indonesian part of Borneo island.

Haze conditions in Singapore improved somewhat throughout Friday and fell below the level considered hazardous but remained in the "very unhealthy" range.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that Singapore has offered Indonesia help in putting out the fires "and asked them to share with us the identity of companies responsible for causing the haze".

Indonesia has previously said that Singapore-based companies were among those responsible for the blazes, caused by smallholders and agricultural companies using burning as a method to clear land for plantations during summer.

Under pressure from its neighbours to stop the annual haze, Widodo has pledged to crack down on companies and individuals behind the burnings.
About 3,000 troops and police have been sent to Sumatra to fight the fires, with Indonesian authorities saying last week it would take a month to bring them under control.

Indonesian environment ministry spokesman Eka W. Sugiri said 25 aircraft have been deployed to fight the fires through water-bombing and chemically inducing rainfall.

lots of effort has been done. handling haze is not as simple as fanning out smokes.

Indonesian police investigating 213 reports of forest fires - ANTARA News

South Sumatra still fighting fires - ANTARA News

Indonesia working hard to extinguish forest fires: President - ANTARA News

Indonesia declares state of emergency over fire haze - Al Jazeera English

South-East Asia's haze: Indonesia arrests seven suspects - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Indonesia News - Govt acts on haze health

Indonesia to ratify ASEAN agreement on trans-boundary haze pollution - ANTARA News

Indonesia starts legal action against companies linked to SE Asia haze | World | Thanh Nien Daily

Indonesia gets tough on companies responsible for haze | News | Eco-Business | Asia Pacific

Southeast Asia wheezes in haze, Indonesia cracks down on land burning
 
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Been to Sumatra, not possible to enforce. Change 10 leaders would still be the same, cause people at the bottom won't change.
 
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Opps, Malaysia also have the same issue (to a certain degree)... :chilli:
Been to Sumatra, not possible to enforce. Change 10 leaders would still be the same, cause people at the bottom won't change.
 
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I want to know what Indonesian forumers think about this issue (Haze, not anti this or that).
We have this issue for decades. However, it seems like no one give a shxt (because i see no result).
Regarding the mentality of the Indonesia officer (as described in article below), I'm so sad to say we (Malaysian) also have same type of politician. :hitwall:
Singapore slams Indonesia over haze response as schools shut - Yahoo News Singapore

Singapore slammed "shocking" statements from Indonesian officials over a haze crisis as it closed all schools and distributed protective face masks Friday after the air pollution index soared to hazardous levels.

The city-state has been cloaked in smog blown in from tinder-dry Sumatra island for about three weeks, the worst such episode since mid-2013 in a crisis that grips the region nearly ever year during the burning-off season.

The closure of primary and secondary schools as well as government-run kindergartens due to the haze problem is unprecedented, the Straits Times daily said as the air quality index shot up above 300, a level considered "hazardous".

As the pollution index rose, so did tempers, with Singapore Foreign Minister K. Shanmugam speaking out against some Indonesian figures who made light of the problem, which has long strained relations among affected countries including Malaysia.

He was joined by former prime minister Goh Chok Tong who said Friday the "real solution" is with Indonesia rooting out the cause at the source.

"If Indonesia can stamp out illegal burning, they will gain investor confidence in their abilities to tackle other complex challenges," he said on Facebook.

"The haze is their litmus test for effective administration and regional leadership," added Goh, who is now an elected MP who holds the honorary title emeritus senior minister.
Shanmugam said that while Jakarta says it is taking steps to deal with the problem, "at the same time, we are hearing some shocking statements made, at senior levels, from Indonesia, with a complete disregard for our people, and their own".

"How is it possible for senior people in government to issue such statements, without any regard for their people, or ours, and without any embarrassment, or sense of responsibility?" he said.

- 'Never thanked us' -

Shanmugan did not identify the officials, but Indonesian Vice-President Jusuf Kalla has made waves in recent weeks by repeating comments he made in March that Indonesia's neighbours should be grateful for good air quality most of the year.

"For 11 months, they enjoyed nice air from Indonesia and they never thanked us," he said at the time.

Indonesian presidential spokesman Ari Dwipayana declined to comment on Shanmugam's remarks, but said Indonesia's neighbours should also take note of Jakarta's efforts to contain the fires.

"The president has stated that all force has been mobilised, we are going all out to put out the fires by water-bombing and weather modification," he told AFP.

"The president has also directly visited the impacted area, and this shows how serious we are in handling the forest fires and haze," he said, referring to Indonesian leader Joko Widodo's trip to smog-choked areas on the Indonesian part of Borneo island.

Haze conditions in Singapore improved somewhat throughout Friday and fell below the level considered hazardous but remained in the "very unhealthy" range.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that Singapore has offered Indonesia help in putting out the fires "and asked them to share with us the identity of companies responsible for causing the haze".

Indonesia has previously said that Singapore-based companies were among those responsible for the blazes, caused by smallholders and agricultural companies using burning as a method to clear land for plantations during summer.

Under pressure from its neighbours to stop the annual haze, Widodo has pledged to crack down on companies and individuals behind the burnings.
About 3,000 troops and police have been sent to Sumatra to fight the fires, with Indonesian authorities saying last week it would take a month to bring them under control.

Indonesian environment ministry spokesman Eka W. Sugiri said 25 aircraft have been deployed to fight the fires through water-bombing and chemically inducing rainfall.
Like they even care. They are big. They are poor. Why should the poor lift a finger to help the rich.

Mahathir (yes, that's how long this problem has been) once sent our firemen to help. What a joke. The Indonesian did nothing to provide support. Just left them on their own laughing.
Many of the firemen came back with lung problem.
 
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Like they even care. They are big. They are poor. Why should the poor lift a finger to help the rich.

Mahathir (yes, that's how long this problem has been) once sent our firemen to help. What a joke. The Indonesian did nothing to provide support. Just left them on their own laughing.
Many of the firemen came back with lung problem.

apparently the rich also enjoys the haze

Indonesia has previously said that Singapore-based companies were among those responsible for the blazes, caused by smallholders and agricultural companies using burning as a method to clear land for plantations during summer.
 
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Been to Sumatra, not possible to enforce. Change 10 leaders would still be the same, cause people at the bottom won't change.
So Malaysian Race Superiority mentality still strong eh? And why suddenly Malaysian member showed up and jumped up and down? Finally got some balls? :tdown:

We don't care what Malaysian thinks, we put try to put the fire out to save our own Sumatran people, not from a pressure from a random country.

For Singaporean peoples, don't worry since this issue has spread alot in social media, thus increasing the pressure for the government to put down the fire.
 
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