Sing Vande Mataram or quit India: BJP to Muslim corporators

[DineshS]

You don't need to show your patriotism to every random guy who insist... every lunatic buffoon using it as tool to harass others... no one have authority to ask you sing... SC mandate to play National anthem in theaters... feel free to ask those who don't stand up.... Which i do... but now a days some buffoons gathering up and asking people to sing or leave the country... it become fashion..

That's a piss poor argument to make, especially considering one section is wearing their religion on their sleeve and Nationalists are branded as some sort of a disease.
Couple of days I was listen to a pervert named John Dayal, talking about R&AW in a negative manner, with heavy insinuations.

These are the people that are inhabiting India...

 

[graphican]

Thanks for the comparison..
Don't care where Muslims migrated from. Fact is, the self proclaimed Wahabis feel their religion is more important than India. Isn't that the reason for their objection to national song.
If this is the case, all bets are off...Can't trust someone who would place their religion over their country.

Fortunately not all Indian Muslims are like these. Many of them are as patriotic as Hindus and live harmoniously. The rest, like the wahabis of Kashmir need "special" treatment.

Muslims who are born in India never migrated from anywhere. They are as much Indians as much Yogi claims to be - so why to take revenge from them for something they never did? Unless you want to say you are biased against Islam and don't care migration or natives. If you say so, you will be another "yogi".

Wand-e-Matram has "Shirk" in it. Can an Indian Muslim be Indian who loves his country without doing "Shirk" ?

 

[StraightShooter]

It is very well known that a true Muslim can never be a good citizen of any nation but only to the nation of Islam.

Muslims should not be forced to sing national anthem of any country which clearly goes against their religious beliefs.

 

[DineshS]

Muslims who are born in India never migrated from anywhere. They are as much Indians as much Yogi claims to be - so why to take revenge from them for something they never did? Unless you want to say you are biased against Islam and don't care migration or natives. If you say so, you will be another "yogi".

Wand-e-Matram has "Shirk" in it. Can an Indian Muslim be Indian who doesn't do love his country but doesn't believe in "Shirk" ?

That's a weak argument.
Hence the reason why for most Hindus it's country >>>> Religion, as it should be.

reason why placing religion above country is dangerous is due to the fact that religion has spread across the world and loyalties can get misplaced, as we have seen in Azad Maidan, when Muslims went on rampage in India for things happening in burma..

Indian muslims are by genetics, Indians, descendants of Hindus. Don't care how & why they converted. That's in the past.
What matters though is how they perceive themselves NOW and that is what we are discussing here

 

[graphican]

That's a weak argument.
Hence the reason why for most Hindus it's country >>>> Religion, as it should be.

reason why placing religion above country is the fact that religion has spread across the world and loyalties can get misplaced, as we have seen in Azad Maidan, when Muslims went on rampage in India for things happening in burma..

Indian muslims are by genetics, Indians, descendants of Hindus. Don't care how & why they converted. That's in the past.
What matters though is how they perceive themselves NOW and that is what we are discussing here

Actually its the other way around. You will find Iran fighting for people outside its borders because of a common bond. Even Indians speak of Hindus in Pakistan because of their common bond. But its not the topic of this discussion.

Point remains, can a Muslim born in India stays Muslim or would he have to be a bit of Hindu to be acceptable? Wand-e-Matram has SHIRK in it. If anybody refuses to do Shrik (because of faith) but is born in India, is Indian and loves India - is he an acceptable citizen of India anymore?

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Another of those stories from the SOUTH when we all say: Thank God for Pakistan!

Ps* exiled mooooslems of india... plz don't come to pakistan ... because we are full and you kinda missed the boat... ask for the state of Hyderabad as your new homeland free of Hindutva oppression.. we shall support your cause.

Hyderabad is and was 90% Hindu by demography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telangana

India used to be secular, a place where Muslims could survive - but not anymore.

When you made Pakistan Islamic Republic, You are not in a position to question what India does with its country

 

[DineshS]

Actually its the other way around. You will find Iran fighting for people outside its borders because of a common bond. Even Indians speak of Hindus in Pakistan because of their common bond. But its not the topic of this discussion.

Point remains, can a Muslim born in India stays Muslim or would he have to be a bit of Hindu to be acceptable? Wand-e-Matram has SHIRK in it. If anybody refuses to do Shrik (because of faith) but is born in India, is Indian and loves India - is he an acceptable citizen of India anymore?

Not true.
A Hindu would never cause harm anywhere in the world for Hindus being persecuted in otehr countries. At best we tend to Help them by taking them in.
If you can find examples of Hindus rioting in India or other countries because Hindus in Pakistan & BD are being mistreated, I will concede. BUT, I can show u 100 examples of muslims rioting because in some other part of the world, muslims are perceived to be wronged. This is the perversion I am talking abt.

Religion is India is ones own private affair. respect each other, beyond that it should NOT be part of discourse. Reality though is far from this. And specifically, when a muslim insults national song, how is that linked to hinduism? How is national identity against religious identity.
Imagine if Hindus started poking holes at every discourse citing our religion, muslims as minority would have hard time to live in...

 

[StraightShooter]

Actually its the other way around. You will find Iran fighting for people outside its borders because of a common bond. Even Indians speak of Hindus in Pakistan because of their common bond. But its not the topic of this discussion.

Point remains, can a Muslim born in India stays Muslim or would he have to be a bit of Hindu to be acceptable? Wand-e-Matram has SHIRK in it. If anybody refuses to do Shrik (because of faith) but is born in India, is Indian and loves India - is he an acceptable citizen of India anymore?

I think you are missing the point.

The issue is not about Indian citizenship which no one cares. Even a illegal Bangladeshi gets India citizenship by paying few rupees. It has no value in International market. We are not talking about US, Canada, Australia, UK or EU citizenship here.

The point is who believes in the nation of India.

60% of Hindus believe in this concept.

99.999% of Muslims do not believe in this concept.

That is the crux of the matter.

Singing or Not singing Vande Mataram is the acid test that puts one in one or the other buckets.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Muslims who are born in India never migrated from anywhere. They are as much Indians as much Yogi claims to be - so why to take revenge from them for something they never did? Unless you want to say you are biased against Islam and don't care migration or natives. If you say so, you will be another "yogi".

Wand-e-Matram has "Shirk" in it. Can an Indian Muslim be Indian who loves his country without doing "Shirk" ?

A Person who considers himself muslim first, then Indian cannot be trusted. Already we are having lots of suspicions.

 

[graphican]

Not true.
A Hindu would never cause harm anywhere in the world for Hindus being persecuted in otehr countries. At best we tend to Help them by taking them in.
If you can find examples of Hindus rioting in India or other countries because Hindus in Pakistan & BD are being mistreated, I will concede. BUT, I can show u 100 examples of muslims rioting because in some other part of the world, muslims are perceived to be wronged. This is the perversion I am talking abt.

Religion is India is ones own private affair. respect each other, beyond that it should NOT be part of discourse. Reality though is far from this. And specifically, when a muslim insults national song, how is that linked to hinduism? How is national identity against religious identity.
Imagine if Hindus started poking holes at every discourse citing our religion, muslims as minority would have hard time to live in...

• India is granting citizenship to HINDUS from Bangladesh and Pakistan. This is not an open option but available to HINDUS only. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...m-Indian-citizenship/articleshow/52563675.cms

• Here you go, Indian Hindus protesting for Pakistani Hindus, asking them to "Settle in India".

Wand-e-Matram is not National song but a Hindu song about India. You cannot force Muslims to do shink because it is patriotism in your head.

 

[StraightShooter]

Wand-e-Matram is not National song but a Hindu song about India.

Vande Mataram is one of the two national songs of India. The other being Jana Gana Mana.

No, Vande Mataram is not a Hindu Song by any stretch of imagination.

 

[DineshS]

• India is granting citizenship to HINDUS from Bangladesh and Pakistan. This is not an open option but available to HINDUS only. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...m-Indian-citizenship/articleshow/52563675.cms

• Here you go, Indian Hindus protesting for Pakistani Hindus, asking them to "Settle in India".

Wand-e-Matram is not National song but a Hindu song about India. You cannot force Muslims to do shink because it is patriotism in your head.

Sir, a protest/Staging is markedly different to "rioting"...
Like I said, we quietly give citizenship where possible.

BUT, I can give u actual examples of rioting, hence my(our) apprehensions about certain sections of muslims.

Wand-e-Matram is not National song but a Hindu song about India. You cannot force Muslims to do shink because it is patriotism in your head.

Sir, you are wrong on u'r facts.
Please go through the lyrics of the song. It eulogies India, the land, the culture, it's people. I have no idea how it becomes part of Hindu religion....Now, it being a part of our culture, I agree to it.

 

[friendly_troll96]

I'm so happy for hindiann "muslims".

 

[StraightShooter]

Hiranyakashipu to Prahlaad - Where is god.

Prahlaad - God is everywhere and in everything.

Fast forward to Kali Yugam

NDTV reporter to an Muslim Indian - What do you see in India

Muslim Indian - I see Hinduism everywhere and in everything

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

I am just surprised with Hindu fascist mentality... When muslims readily says "Jai Hind", "Hindustan Zindabad"
Why these idiots want them to say Vande**, Bharat Ma**, perform Surya Namaskar..
Are they conspiring against Islam to make them forcibly believe other then allah..