Sikh, Pathan and Gurkha soldiers in the eyes of Winston S. Churchill

[ghoul]

Jatts were some of the best calvary men against Alexander the greek, my friend.

Porus wasn't a jatt if that's what you're getting at. Jatts were probably not even Punjab back then as they are said to be foreign.

 

[RazPaK]

Porus wasn't a jatt if that's what you're getting at. Jatts were probably not even Punjab back then as they are said to be foreign.

They were a nomadic Sindhi tribe. They were in these regions far longer than wikipedia cites.

 

[ghoul]

They were a nomadic Sindhi tribe. They were in these regions far longer than wikipedia cites.

Not sure if they fought Alexander though. They're said to have fought Muhammad Ghauri in south Punjab though.

 

[RazPaK]

Not sure if they fought Alexander though. They're said to have fought Muhammad Ghauri in south Punjab though.

Jatt tribe has so many branches that you would not believe. There is not even much of a difference between certain jatt tribes and rajputs.

 

[dil_dil]

Jatts were some of the best calvary men against Alexander the greek, my friend.

You mean Malhi jats?

Malhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

D.I.Khan, Mianwali and Lakki Marwat were also under Sikhs. All Hazara and Swabi, Charsadda area was under the Sikhs. The Yousafzais had been attacked on many occasions, but Sikhs didn't enter Swat. The Pakhtuns of Peshawar collaborated with Sikhs. General ventura of Sikhs use to give severe punishments to captured Pakhtun rebels. The taxation for Lakki Marwat, D.I.Khan and Mianwali was handed over to Fateh Khan Tiwana, who killed a number of Pakhtun chieftains in D.I.Khan over a petty argument.

And even local sources claim 180 dead in Sarargarhi haha. But of course, had it been 21 pakhtuns vs 10,000 sikhs, the afghani would have celebrated it. lol. You should be thankful to Pakistan for granting your family relative peace and an internet connection. The Pakistan army that you talk shit about is the reason why most Pakistan is peaceful and people like you ran away from their own country. Why don't you help your countrymen for a change and stop enjoying the peace ensured by Pak army. Pak army zindabaad.



Who was your reply meant for? :S

You need to study more. DI Khan, Tank and Lakki marwat were ruled by nawab of mankera so after his defeat these areas automatically went to sikhs. Ranjeet singh arrived with 25,000 soldiers along river kurram at lakki. Marwats sought refuge in hills along with their cattle, as they used to do it during large invasions. Bannu on that occasion was spared. But an army was sent to collect tribute next year. Sir edward writes that people of bannu are cowards so their villages were built forts for defence. Sikhs failed to collect tribute from them after seige of 450 fortified villages.
In tank they were busy looting and plundering villages, when they were suddenly invaded by neighbouring mehsuds. Sikhs were defeated and slaughtered. Sikhs never came to tank again but they did come to lakki on annual basis and made second attempt on bannu in which bannuchis sought help of wazirs and drove away sikhs. Sikhs stopped coming altogather after death of hari singh. They were able to truely establish their rule at hazara. But in peshawer region they were stopped at mardan and their khans and charsada khans agreed to pay tribute. Peshawer went to sikhs without any resistance in 1834 while at nowshera sikhs had to fight three large battles in one of which syed ahmad bareilwi also participated.

 

[RazPaK]

@ghoul

I don't have any interest in promoting Jatts over anyone else, being an Arain myself. But they were capable horsemen like some Arains.

Even today in Pakistan, you will notice that some of the best Polo players are Jatts from central and Northern Punjab along with Potoharis and Northern people.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@ghoul click on the refrence of that "local" claim of deaths on saraghari article on wikipedia. Its misleading, its actually mentioned by british. For further discussion on sargahari, click here
Pakistan - The Pathans

 

[Progressive1]

You need to study more. DI Khan, Tank and Lakki marwat were ruled by nawab of mankera so after his defeat these areas automatically went to sikhs. Ranjeet singh arrived with 25,000 soldiers along river kurram at lakki. Marwats sought refuge in hills along with their cattle, as they used to do it during large invasions. Bannu on that occasion was spared. But an army was sent to collect tribute next year. Sir edward writes that people of bannu are cowards so their villages were built forts for defence. Sikhs failed to collect tribute from them after seige of 450 fortified villages.
In tank they were busy looting and plundering villages, when they were suddenly invaded by neighbouring mehsuds. Sikhs were defeated and slaughtered. Sikhs never came to tank again but they did come to lakki on annual basis and made second attempt on bannu in which bannuchis sought help of wazirs and drove away sikhs. Sikhs stopped coming altogather after death of hari singh. They were able to truely establish their rule at hazara. But in peshawer region they were stopped at mardan and their khans and charsada khans agreed to pay tribute. Peshawer went to sikhs without any resistance in 1834 while at nowshera sikhs had to fight three large battles in one of which syed ahmad bareilwi also participated.

but the bottom line is that now Pashtun's enemy sikhs who were plundering pashtun lands have been Pushed across Wahga and the little territory that they have left is always in danger of being overrun by UP/biharis while Pashtun(like all Pakistanis) got whole Pakistan; fertile plains, sea ports, unparalleled Gilgit Baltistan, above all almost whole Indus region we must be thankful to Quaid for all this. Do you agree?

 

[Multani]

Rangars were muslim Rajputs from Haryana, Delhi and western UP. They used to speak the khari boli dialect (parent dialect of Urdu language) as their mother tongue.

They are still the major community in Western UP areas as Deoband, which is a Ranghar centre.

I do have heard about about muslim rajputs of mewat who joined alliance with rana sanga and lodhis against babur. So they are not punjabi rajputs.

Those are Meo Rajputs from areas south of Delhi. They, I believe, are the majority in Mewat District in Haryana

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Not sure if they fought Alexander though. They're said to have fought Muhammad Ghauri in south Punjab though.

Jats also killed and looted razia sultana and her husband while they were escaping.

 

[ghoul]

You need to study more. DI Khan, Tank and Lakki marwat were ruled by nawab of mankera so after his defeat these areas automatically went to sikhs. Ranjeet singh arrived with 25,000 soldiers along river kurram at lakki. Marwats sought refuge in hills along with their cattle, as they used to do it during large invasions. Bannu on that occasion was spared. But an army was sent to collect tribute next year. Sir edward writes that people of bannu are cowards so their villages were built forts for defence. Sikhs failed to collect tribute from them after seige of 450 fortified villages.
In tank they were busy looting and plundering villages, when they were suddenly invaded by neighbouring mehsuds. Sikhs were defeated and slaughtered. Sikhs never came to tank again but they did come to lakki on annual basis and made second attempt on bannu in which bannuchis sought help of wazirs and drove away sikhs. Sikhs stopped coming altogather after death of hari singh. They were able to truely establish their rule at hazara. But in peshawer region they were stopped at mardan and their khans and charsada khans agreed to pay tribute. Peshawer went to sikhs without any resistance in 1834 while at nowshera sikhs had to fight three large battles in one of which syed ahmad bareilwi also participated.

Sikhs used Fateh Khan Tiwana to collect taxes from D.I.Khan and Lakki. Fateh Khan was their enemy, and was involved in a number of court intrigues including the murder of a Sikh general. They used him for D.I.Khan because Nawab of Mankera had tried to betray him to the Sikhs, breaking his pashtunwali code(maybe he was a Seraiki pathan) and take over his land in Khushab and Bhakkar. When Fateh Khan was wanted for the murder of a Sikh general in Lahore, he sought asylum with the Wazir chief, who didn't hand him over to the Sikhs even after being offered heavy bribes and hence stayed true to his Pakhtun code.

And you're right about Sikh rule. They were more interested in taxing the Pakhtuns than subdueing them. Pakhtuns can't be subdued forever as their history teaches, so better to tax them. All invaders followed a similar policy including mughals. I'm not sure about a Wazir and Sikh clash.

And in Hazara, they made many garrisons but the local Tanolis couldn't be subdued by them. They also had clashes with the Hindko Tarins, and lost 3 commanders in process. These Hazarewal hillmen were great warriors and gave much trouble, but Sikhs called in Dogras who were the masters of hill warfare to beat back these hillmen. I think they defeated the Yousafzais in Swabi area in battle. Gulab Singh was the best general that Sikhs had. Hillmen of Azad Kashmir and Murree hills were also defeated by Gulab Singh.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

but the bottom line is that now Pashtun's enemy sikhs who were plundering pashtun lands have been Pushed across Wahga and the little territory that they have left is always in danger of being overrun by UP/biharis while Pashtun(like all Pakistanis) got whole Pakistan; fertile plains, sea ports, unparalleled Gilgit Baltistan, above all almost whole Indus region we must be thankful to Quaid for all this. Do you agree?

That doesnt make any sense. Entire india is also opened for their sikh citizens and they are quite well represented in every field.

 

[Multani]

Do you have any citations of reading done on the topic or just your own opinion? Do you even know the social standing of Jatts in north Punjab. Jatts never had any military power in Potohar in its history. Of course, no offence meant to jatts.

no one cares about racist social standings except racists

 

[Roybot]

All this martial race is bs. The so called "Bengal Army" was full of people from the Gangetic plains, until they revolted in 1857, only after this did the Biritsh start to recruit from the North Western regions of India.