Should the U.S introduce Pakistan style Ahmadi law for U.S muslims?

[Indus Pakistan]

Impossible, I don't believe the right wing wants it, look at how many have criticized Trump.

Regardless Democrats would never go along with it, nor would the media, or the people.

Well I am not American but if what you say is true than that shows the real strength of USA. I am rather pleased about that. The world would be that much more dangerous place if the leader of the Western world started to undo the very principles of Western society.

Making b*tches out of minorities is indication of sickness not strength as many believe in Pakistan. Only strong societies have the moral fibre to stand behind any attempt to apply the tyranny of the majority on the minority.

You see back in 1970s when Pakistan decided to make b*tches out of the Ahmedi's no one was man enough to stand up for principle. Instead like rabid dogs they sought out the satisfaction of a pack tearing a helpless victim.

To quote Pastor Niemöller

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"

 

[anon45]

@anon45 Sir in what category you would place this speech from Iraq War Veteran...? Is it free speech? Also, if American Citizens collectively finds their Govt. going against their Constitution and its core values, in your opinion is there ANY room given by the Constitution to a common Citizen to question such policies without being labelled as a Traitor or alike...?

That would be free speech, as he did not advocate imminent violent overthrow of the government or imminent attacks on CEO's.

First defence would be the courts, second defense would be the polls, final defence would be the 2nd Amendment.

Actions would be the core determinant to being a traitor. Taking up arms or a sufficient preponderance of proof of imminent violent intent (such as having a bunch of anti-american discourse and a pipe bomb workshop in your house with no compelling outside reason) without attempting all legal recourse for a peaceful solution could be considered traitorous imo.

Of course the logical question then is wouldn't those taking up arms be the traitors, and my answer is if it gets to the point where the courts are saying the government is doing something unconstitutional, and the democratic process in congress is not functioning, then the government has betrayed the people first.

Ultimately the truth of this is decided by the amount of the population that takes up arms. If there is a general rebellion, it is true. If there is a minor rebellion, it is not.

Well I am not American but if what you say is true than that shows the real strength of USA. I am rather pleased about that. The world would be that much more dangerous place if the leader of the Western world started to undo the very principles of Western society.

Making b*tches out of minorities is indication of sickness not strength as many believe in Pakistan. Only strong societies have the moral fibre to stand behind any attempt to apply the tyranny of the majority on the minority.

You see back in 1970s when Pakistan decided to make b*tches out of the Ahmedi's no one was man enough to stand up for principle. Instead like rabid dogs they sought out the satisfaction of a pack tearing a helpless victim.

To quote Pastor Niemöller

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"

Well sir remember all the griping about congress never getting anything done, it's designed to be slow and to argue over nearly every little thing.

Bad for quick decisions, but extreme actions tend to be moderated/watered down.

Also the house of representatives bringing home the bacon, everyone hates it when other house congressmen do it but keep voting for their own to bring home that pork!

 

[MastanKhan]

The law will recognize muslims from "certain" countries as not being allowed in the U.S as they pose a terror threat. It will allow us to revoke their status in country, plus send back muslim americans like the pakistani americans in my OP.

This is not about a sect. We could care less what sect of Islam you belong to. All we care about is our safety from terrorist sympathizers, and people like that man and woman who killed our citizens.


Terror sympathizers are not asking questions. Those are emphatic claims made.

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---did you not think about the obvious 14 years ago---before you started on the rampage that has led to the killings of over 4 million muslims---.

Then to top it off----these iosis boys are the creation of blue blooded americans and not the immigrants.

Thirdly---the san bernardino killer---the guy was all american----we have not seen any pitcures yet of his entering the building---or in the hall where he did the killings----it was a part---someone must have been taking pictures----. There are cameras around the buildings outside----.

I have not been to san bernardino in a while now----but many a neighboring areas have cameras over street lights and corners----.

Some video needs to pop out of these two in action----.

One more thing to remember---when you jump in a pond---it is all fun---but sometimes---when the bottom dirt is stirred up---and you inhale it----at time there is brain eating bacteria in there as well.

What you need to do is to Call George Bush and his team and ask them----Sir---how stupid could you be----did you have no clue what would happen in the years to come----. Asked them----" don't you think it was stupid to think that we will make all this money selling weapons and nothing bad will come out of it "----. You might as well cal Obama also---and ask him " Sir---was there any limit to your level of stupidity---you went in there invading countries and starting revolutions where you had no reason to go ".

It does prove that blacks are not that bright-----. Obama----Condoleeza Rice----Collin Powell----never put them in position of power.

U S and pakistan are joined at the hip for close to 70 years----you just want to let go of us just like that---won't happen----it will be a major major surgery---.

First- those pictures are result of fellow muslim terrorists blowing up the city, not americans. Secondly, if you think it was us, then all the more you would be okay if we banned the likes of you from ever being allowed in our country. Win - Win for both , would you not agree?



How come that rule does not apply for your ahmadis, why do they have a constitutional law denying them? How come you can allow/ deny status in your country, yet we cannot in ours?

Hi,

The U S cannot hide behind the " fellow muslim B S---it was under the auspices and BLESSING of the U S military that these atrocities occured----after the U S invasion and colonization"----.

 

[Saifullah]

With all this talk about Trump's plan, and after I have seen many Pakistani americans openly calling us Americans terrorists on PDF and elsewhere- while they chose to continue to live among us - thus posing a terrorist risk.

I wanted to ask- why would America be wrong to introduce a constitutional law exactly like Pakistan has done i.e. where we ban muslims from certain countries as not being the "kind" of muslims we want. Pakistan says ahmadis are not the " kind of or are muslims as Pakistan defines them"... why can't we?

We want to protect ourselves and our families too. We don't want us to become what Britain has become.

Go ahead Please!!!! Do That, Tell the Europeans to do this too, Ban all trades with The Muslims and Leave their countries to them selves.
Don't F with us And None will F you. If your Forces are so Fking Dumb that they can't defend against a rag tag mud living creatures with all these resources than they should Fking get their Ds choped off.

 

[yolo2016]

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---did you not think about the obvious 14 years ago---before you started on the rampage that has led to the killings of over 4 million muslims---.

Then to top it off----these iosis boys are the creation of blue blooded americans and not the immigrants.

Thirdly---the san bernardino killer---the guy was all american----we have not seen any pitcures yet of his entering the building---or in the hall where he did the killings----it was a part---someone must have been taking pictures----. There are cameras around the buildings outside----.

I have not been to san bernardino in a while now----but many a neighboring areas have cameras over street lights and corners----.

Some video needs to pop out of these two in action----.

One more thing to remember---when you jump in a pond---it is all fun---but sometimes---when the bottom dirt is stirred up---and you inhale it----at time there is brain eating bacteria in there as well.

What you need to do is to Call George Bush and his team and ask them----Sir---how stupid could you be----did you have no clue what would happen in the years to come----. Asked them----" don't you think it was stupid to think that we will make all this money selling weapons and nothing bad will come out of it "----. You might as well cal Obama also---and ask him " Sir---was there any limit to your level of stupidity---you went in there invading countries and starting revolutions where you had no reason to go ".

It does prove that blacks are not that bright-----. Obama----Condoleeza Rice----Collin Powell----never put them in position of power.

U S and pakistan are joined at the hip for close to 70 years----you just want to let go of us just like that---won't happen----it will be a major major surgery---.




Hi,

The U S cannot hide behind the " fellow muslim B S---it was under the auspices and BLESSING of the U S military that these atrocities occured----after the U S invasion and colonization"----.

@Atanz this guy quoted is another classic example of Pakistani Americans / kind of muslims we don't want in our country. If you read his post- it shows not only a remarkable lack of any facts, but also a healthy dose of conspiracy theories laced with subtle excuse making for terrorists and their actions against the U.S.

This fellow is another prime target like that San bernardino guy waiting to be radicalized- and thereby a security threat for us. We should have the right to deport him. .

It can be stripped if they have joined a subversive group or concealed facts in the naturalization process, but being Muslim alone is not considered being part of a subversive group.
You would first have to classify the religion of islam as subversive.

It being a recognized religion, this doesn't strike me as possible under the 1st amendment.

Let me be clear, I did not say all muslims, I said a certain kind of muslim american. Acting, claiming, espousing the same language and conspiracy against our country as the terrorists. Too much of a high risk group for us. They go into immediate watchlist and deportations begin. They would the same to us if we behaved and espoused conspiracies about their country, while we lived among them, why can't we do it too?

 

[Abotani]

^Indian guy donning american flags to preach more of the bigotry prevalent in India.

 

[yolo2016]

^Indian guy donning american flags to preach more of the bigotry prevalent in India.

Whatever do you mean Indian guy, and why is it when you have same laws in many Muslim countries it's called being Islamic, but if we ask for it, it is bigotry?

 

[touela]

With all this talk about Trump's plan, and after I have seen many Pakistani americans openly calling us Americans terrorists on PDF and elsewhere- while they chose to continue to live among us - thus posing a terrorist risk.

I wanted to ask- why would America be wrong to introduce a constitutional law exactly like Pakistan has done i.e. where we ban muslims from certain countries as not being the "kind" of muslims we want. Pakistan says ahmadis are not the " kind of or are muslims as Pakistan defines them"... why can't we?

We want to protect ourselves and our families too. We don't want us to become what Britain has become.

I think this is a brilliant idea,man - why dont you start with Saudia Arabia as the first country to ban muslims from. They along with USA are after all the top jihad and terroist funding countries...

And when you have settled the SA issue then come around other countries.....

 

[untitled]

So if US becomes Muslim free that will end America's gun problems?

 

[anon45]

@Atanz

Let me be clear, I did not say all muslims, I said a certain kind of muslim american. Acting, claiming, espousing the same language and conspiracy against our country as the terrorists. Too much of a high risk group for us. They go into immediate watchlist and deportations begin. They would the same to us if we behaved and espoused conspiracies about their country, while we lived among them, why can't we do it too?

That's covered by the first amendment, unless they are advocating imminent violent attacks. Calling the US government a terrorist government and spouting conspiracy theories is protected by free speech though.

How other countries would treat us is of no concern, upholding the constitution is our concern.

 

[curious]

First- those pictures are result of fellow muslim terrorists blowing up the city, not americans

ahh so it was "fellow muslim terrorists" that wrecked those countries infrastructures,economies, and created conditions ripe for civil strife, not the holy&loving western terrorists lovingly dropping countless gbu 12 s ,gbu 16 s, and who knows what else on those helpless people, to "free" them of course.
Even according to conservative estimates, number of muslims who died because of wars imposed on them by the west easily runs into millions.
The blame for any destruction as a result of civil strife in those countries most directly rests on the shoulders of those wicked ones who created the conditions for the civil strife, not the desperate, frustrated people fighting it, whose lively hood, homes and loved ones were taken from them by the wars imposed on them by the "civilized" world.

But its not terrorism when they do it eh? then its operation --insert fancy name here--
suggestions: enduring freedom, iraqi freedom, freedom freedom

seriously kid, stop living in denial, and loose your chip on shoulder, holier then thou attitude, you have no right to pretend that you have some kind of moral high ground after what you people have done and continue to do.