Should Pakistan recognize Israel?

[Peaceful Civilian]

Israel Is a reality! Pakistan should accept it. We should improve relation with Israel

 

[Thorough Pro]

We recognize bharat, what are the pros? and what would be the Cons if we don't?
That should answer the question about recognizing Israel.

Should Pakistan recognize Israel? Should Pakistan establish economic, political, and military ties with Israel?

That is the question, topic, and challenge I present today.



This is a very controversial issue for many of us, not only are political and social feelings are involved but religious. Historically there has been hidden animosity between the two ideological states, Pakistan and Israel.

In the views of many Muslims including Pakistanis, Israel is a occupier of Palestine, and many view Israel to be "an enemy of Islam" and a "conspirator against Islam". Many also see Israel's long history of oppression, brutality, and torture against the people of Gaza and many of it's Muslim neighbors. Some also painfully understand that Israel is a regional superpower that has been occupying and oppressing for 60+ years and presents a challenge to Muslim ambitions in the Middle East.

Pakistanis also note that Israel's MOSSAD has been engaging in operations, perhaps terrorism, sabotage within Pakistan and are trying to create balkanization within Pakistan, by supporting separatism. They also point out the Indo-Israeli axis that is highly Anti-Pakistani in it's underlying objectives.


In the views of many Jews including Israelis, Pakistan is a chance for them to establish better ties with Muslims. However, many Jews and Israelis view this ideological Islamic Republic Pakistan as a potential threat, not to mention Pakistan is the only Muslim Nuclear Power. The Israelis also remember that Pakistan sent it's PAF pilots during the 1967 War to support Syria and Arab fight against Israel, and resulted in the destruction of possibly 5-10 Israeli jets.


There appears to be animosity on both sides.


But is it time to establish better ties with Israel?


Here are some pros and cons I have listed.


Pros

1) Recognize Israel may lead to better access to western technology, particularly the ultra-modern and superior military technology the Israeli military possess and develops. Access to high-tech gadgets and military hardware. If we look at Turkey, Turkey's relationship with Israel has allowed Turkey to also have great access to modern military equipment and technology, which has provided Turkey a great modern edge in its military power.


2) Recognizing and establishing better ties with Israel, may realitically throw a wrench in the "Indo-Israel" axis which has underlying Anti-Pakistani objectives. If Israel sees a friendly Pakistan, Israel may not feel threaten by Pakistan and may also end any aggression against Pakistan through MOSSAD or it's Indo-Israeli axis. It would help to remove the underlying anti-Pakistani objectives of the Indo-Israeli axis.

3) Possibly better economic ties, Pakistan will most likely have access to better consumer goods, products, more trade, and possibly give Pakistan more markets to export.

4) A move such as this may give Pakistan less to worry about in regards to it's national security that Israel poses. Then again new security challenges may arise from such a move.

5) Loosen travel restrictions between Pakistan & Israel.

6) US may feel more comfortable about Pakistan and may also provide Pakistan better technology to reward Pakistan for such a move.

7) You may list other pros yourself.



Cons

1) Pakistan would be hated by many Muslim countries specifically Arab countries. Pakistan would be seen as a traitor to the Muslim World which is dedicated to liberating Islam's third Holiest site in Jerusalem The Dome of the Rock. Pakistan would also be seen as a target by Arab countries and militants who would perhaps begin a wave of attacks on Pakistan for it's "betrayal". Pakistan's name will be defamed in the Muslim world.

2) The conservatives and many Muslims in Pakistan would be stunned, and many demonstrations, many potential violent riots may break out in Pakistan. This may cause a major economic, political, social disruption.

3) This is a major risk, it may take many years or decades after recognition for Pakistan to benefit from the relationship with Israel. Unless agreements are signed, and cordial diplomatic ties are maintained.

4) Pakistani embassies in Arab countries may come under fire from outraged crowds and disenchanted youth.

5) Assassination attempts against Pakistani politicians who seek to establish better ties with Israel and recognize the Jewish state.

6) Recognition of Israel may lead to economic boycotts of Pakistani products in Middle East or other Muslim countries.

7) List other cons yourself.




I have provided fair information, now you decide.

Should Pakistan recognize Israel?

P.S I will answer this question my self later...

 

[Freedom_Democracy]

We recognize bharat, what are the pros? and what would be the Cons if we don't?
That should answer the question about recognizing Israel.

Middle east has already shown it ugly faxe during the yemen proxy wars its time to let go

 

[graphican]

Either you announce you disbelieve Quran and would do whatever you think is right then you may go and accept Israel or Devil as your supporter - but those who believe will never accept or side with Israel.

If you are a believer, read this;

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah.

Surat An-Nisa' [4:46] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

 

[Freedom_Democracy]

Either you announce you disbelieve Quran and would do whatever you think is right then you may go and accept Israel or Devil as your supporter - but those who believe will never accept or side with Israel.

If you are a believer, read this;

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah.

Surat An-Nisa' [4:46] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

Not all of them are evil but just see throughout the decades of what the arabs have caused for us

 

[graphican]

Not all of them are evil but just see throughout the decades of what the arabs have caused for us

Don't side with Arabs (if you may choose) but not siding with Arabs doesn't mean now you must side with Devil.

 

[SQ8]

Too much hatred taught. Satanic verses indeed.

There is no hatred there. The only issue is lack of context and understanding. Common amongst most Muslims whose knowledge of the Quran does not extend beyond the top ten google search results for "Quran Translation"

 

[graphican]

Too much hatred taught. Satanic verses indeed.

Quran is not asking us to hate them but not to take them as allies. I am not your friend but doesn't mean now I am your enemy.

 

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[graphican]

There is no hatred there. The only issue is lack of context and understanding. Common amongst most Muslims whose knowledge of the Quran does not extend beyond the top ten google search results for "Quran Translation"

Bring the complete context after research and prove me wrong. I will be happy to learn. Take the challenge up or shut the nonsense for good.

 

[SQ8]

Bring the complete context after research and prove me wrong. I will be happy to learn. Take the challenge up or shut the nonsense for good.

You do it. It is your onus to prove what you posted. You have ZILCH authority to shut me or any member up, that is the laughable matter

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

There is no reason for Pakistan not to recognize Israel. The right wing counts to nothing-----. The bottomline would be how much would the U S assist Pakistan---. If the assistance is substantial---then Pak govt can strongarm its way thru. Right wing won't count to much----.

Just do a pre-emptive strike-----execute them or take them in custody---the right wing leaders.

 

[graphican]

You do it. It is your onus to prove what you posted. You have ZILCH authority to shut me or any member up, that is the laughable matter

@Oscar,

And you thought you are granted this right to question when verses of Qruan are presented with reference and still they are "out of context" because they do not teach what you think is right.

I am ready to teach you and anybody who is willing.. we will recite given references with 10 verses before and 10 verses after - or 20 verses before and 20 verses after - or 100 verses before and 100 verses after - or entire Quran before and entire Quran after. Pick what would you consider a wide enough context to understand right. I pray to Allah to show us all the right path and help us correct where we are wrong.

Waiting for your response now!

Hi,

There is no reason for Pakistan not to recognize Israel. The right wing counts to nothing-----. The bottomline would be how much would the U S assist Pakistan---. If the assistance is substantial---then Pak govt can strongarm its way thru. Right wing won't count to much----.

Just do a pre-emptive strike-----execute them or take them in custody---the right wing leaders.

Quran is not a political polarity.

 

[Lord ZeN]

We recognize bharat, what are the pros? and what would be the Cons if we don't?
That should answer the question about recognizing Israel.

So what happens if your 250 billion dollar economy de recognizes Bharat ? Does that make any difference ? It would be like N.Korea not recognizing Japan.

 

[SQ8]

Either you announce you disbelieve Quran and would do whatever you think is right then you may go and accept Israel or Devil as your supporter - but those who believe will never accept or side with Israel.

If you are a believer, read this;

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah.

Surat An-Nisa' [4:46] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

Here you go.

The first Ayah was revealed in Madinah when the Muslims were facing threats left and right in their new fledging community. This included alliances where they were being betrayed by those Christians and Jews who inhabited Madina along with them. The motivation had NOTHING to do with religion but to do with land and economics(an idea that STILL persists to this day among Muslims themselves). That Surah and Ayat were all during that struggling to establish the Islamic community/state and how the other communities(who prior to Islam and the Muslim community would conspire against each other for economic gains). Today the verse still translates in the same vein as "keep your enemies close and your friends closer". Alliances are not friendship, and there is no friendship in diplomacy.Nowhere does it use any Arabic that refers to Isolation. Whosoever preaches that is ignorant and their followers more so.

The second Ayah has NOTHING to do with utter isolation in global alliances or diplomacy. The Ayah refers to to taking on friendship with non-muslims to the extent that you take on their behaviour and take their faults(which are not limited to promiscuous drinking, womanizing, taking on interst in loans etc in the personal sense .. and in a macro sense false ideals, false news and propaganda... etc etc.)..although most Muslims do this today.. exactly what this verse warned against.
Basically it refers to knowing that we as Muslims are seperate identity with our own values that need to be maintained. It means we dont end up making fun with a non-muslim(if they do) if a Muslim decides to stop in the middle of the road to pray. Nowhere does it ask you to be an isolationist or not take on weaponry, knowledge or alliances of convenience when needed. More ignorance if one takes it on the idea that you cannot ally or be general friends in life with non-muslims.

Your third verse too has nothing to do with the need for alliances. As it again refers to the conditions of medina and early Islam and the need to convince Muslims not to heed the ideas of the Torah. I have no idea who in their right minds even considers this relevant to diplomatic convention?