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Should Pakistan cut down the infantry

Reference to the program We are Soldiers we are not able to give good rifles to our soldiers. Those guns are heavy and missed target on auto. So a good equipped solider can be equal to 1.5 solider atleast ?
 
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You will shocked that Pakistan Police's budget is more than Pakistan Navy budget, one wonders PN is able to maintain Force and Fleet and variety of sophisticated equipment where as Pakistan Police is "sada gul" low tech martic pass or even matric fail people yet so where the heck budget is going there is no check and balance alone between $400M-500M or RS 39B-45B is the budget of Sindh Police if you calculate all over Pakistan it is well around $2.0Billion or even more yet our Police is ill equipt ill trained uneducated with no proper Offices, Training and so on.

So our current Army strength is good enough and required.

police is a huge institution, and second/first most corrupt. anyway the point I was trying to make is that we should focus on developing law enforcing agencies rather than military.

P.S. Pakistan army has no aggressive designs, we dont require to concur any country/land. therefore, it is quite logically to have a small army, especially in terms of infantry units.

call it a "reasonable size".
 
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Hi,

See what happened to the high tech army in a low low lowest tech afg---and even in iraq. If you just want to destroy the infra structure only---then it is fine----otherwise---to hold ground---you need feet on the ground.
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huh what happened in Iraq and afghanistan? the war was over in days the kill to death ratio is what 5 x in favor of americans if not more?... there is no amount of military men in any countries army today that can hold every inch of ground. Your own general keeps saying it too. Does your country have its rule in every inch of its land? it's not possible ...how can american army of 120-150 K soldiers hold a footprint on every inch of afghanistan?

what they can do and have done- is they have changed the entire model from taliban to democracy to US footprint in afghanistan for last 11 years and for decades more to come...
 
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huh what happened in Iraq and afghanistan? the war was over in days the kill to death ratio is what 5 x in favor of americans if not more?... there is no amount of military men in any countries army today that can hold every inch of ground. Your own general keeps saying it too. Does your country have its rule in every inch of its land? it's not possible ...how can american army of 120-150 K soldiers hold a footprint on every inch of afghanistan?

what they can do and have done- is they have changed the entire model from taliban to democracy to US footprint in afghanistan for last 11 years and for decades more to come...
Indians and their favorite habit : putting his nose where it does not belong
 
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huh what happened in Iraq and afghanistan? the war was over in days the kill to death ratio is what 5 x in favor of americans if not more?... there is no amount of military men in any countries army today that can hold every inch of ground. Your own general keeps saying it too. Does your country have its rule in every inch of its land? it's not possible ...how can american army of 120-150 K soldiers hold a footprint on every inch of afghanistan?

what they can do and have done- is they have changed the entire model from taliban to democracy to US footprint in afghanistan for last 11 years and for decades more to come...

The point he made was that they had a hard time occupying and controlling parts of Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is that controlling and occupying part that is difficult and often expensive. And you always need enough boots on the ground coupled with local support to do so easily.

They had such a difficult time in Iraq, that in the end they had to make alliances with "former terrorists" to gang up against Al-Queda cells.

And if you are thinking that Afghanistan is in full control by NATO forces, then you are deeply mistaken. Not even after 10 years with all their technological wizardry, they still couldn't control it fully. And it'll be that way for some time to come.
 
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police is a huge institution, and second/first most corrupt. anyway the point I was trying to make is that we should focus on developing law enforcing agencies rather than military.

P.S. Pakistan army has no aggressive designs, we dont require to concur any country/land. therefore, it is quite logically to have a small army, especially in terms of infantry units.

call it a "reasonable size".

The bold part is the and should be the point that you should be making. With less corruption, more money would be available for modernizing the police & other para military forces. I wonder why don't we hear such views related to the police about the Rangers or Frontier Corps, reason being they are run my military officers. Thus it may give you an idea who are the ones which need more disciplining. You reduce / end corruption, billions will be with you with which you can do anything for the country without reducing the army, rather army can be modernized by having more money and the teeth to tail ratio with some restructuring and addition of force multiplier platforms.

Plus, we may not be having offensive designs as a country, but then again we have to see someone has 80% of its armed forces, all its offensive strike corps and other majority of assets pointed at us, thus you need a reasonable army to take care of such threat. yeah, if you guys come into power, ask the one pointing such huge military at us, to have CBMs and both should reduce their armies against each other, then you can achieve your dream of reducing the army size otherwise no way your wish will be granted.

But, yeah, do tell your leader, when he comes into power, reduce corruption, get more taxes from the rich and those who don't give them, get agri income taxed, reduce PSEs corruption, he will be having atleast 15B+ US$$s at his disposal, with which he can do wonders for the country. And yeah do tell him to improve the teeth to tail ratio of the army and add force multipliers, which will take less manpower.
 
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get more taxes from the rich and those who don't give them, get agri income taxed.

Even though that both of your Flags shows Pakistan, but you do not live in Pakistan..... So, based on, you not living in actual ground reality, why do you make a grand speech about what the true people of Pakistan should do..............

Thanks...
 
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Even though that both of your Flags shows Pakistan, but you do not live in Pakistan..... So, based on, you not living in actual ground reality, why do you make a grand speech about what the true people of Pakistan should do..............

Thanks...

you trying to troll mate?-
Based on your location India or US- you should not be on this forum-
 
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Even though that both of your Flags shows Pakistan, but you do not live in Pakistan..... So, based on, you not living in actual ground reality, why do you make a grand speech about what the true people of Pakistan should do..............

Thanks...

So, you are back. On the troll rampage again ?? or you were being sarcastic ?? Which was it by the way.

I was talking to that member who is belonging to a certain party whose leader wants to end corruption if he gets into power, so i suggested that if can and wants to end corruption, he(his party leader) should look into these issues too.

No grand speech, just the truth which is achievable.

Plus, never been abroad, living right in Pakistan.

Thanks
 
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Pakistan has 2 long borders - on the eastern side we are facing a indian army of 1m soldiers, most of which are deployed along the said border. on the western border, we are now faced with a hostile afghanistan whose army is expected to total 0.4m soldiers by end 2012. our regular army has 0.6m soldiers split between the two borders (0.15m on the western and 0.45m on the eastern). so how can we reduce the 'infantry' - these are the basic sums!
 
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India has got 7.5 lakh soldiers in Kashmir only. Do you seriously want to cut down infantary? We are facing threat from eastern as well as western front and we need to increase the number of our foot soldiers but at the very same time we need to increase our special forces and I would suggest to train light-commando battalions too. We need infantary as we cant replace them by drones, jets, etc.
 
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India has got 7.5 lakh soldiers in Kashmir only. Do you seriously want to cut down infantary? We are facing threat from eastern as well as western front and we need to increase the number of our foot soldiers but at the very same time we need to increase our special forces and I would suggest to train light-commando battalions too. We need infantary as we cant replace them by drones, jets, etc.
India's 7.5 lakhs soldiers have been successfully tied down in occupied Kashmir by just few 100 freedom fighters.I think we can afford to cut down infantry nos.If india gets funny just increase few 100 more freedom fighters elsewhere in india.Its a successful zia doctrine to fight big country like USSR and india is the asymmetric warfare and Inshallah we have been successful against both till now.
 
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Not in a million years. Pakistan army should be big and powerful. A country of 180 million people which is still growing and is estimated to have a population of 360 million by 2050 should actually have a large army which is growing not getting smaller. The problem is not with foot soldiers which are the real fighters but with economy. Pakistan Army already has a small budget because of our poor economy but once economy is fixed Pakistan army should get a bigger budget and increase its size as well as upgrade its technology. This is the only solution. Even in Iraq the most hitech army of the world had to depend on numbers of boots on the ground to save face. Technology can get you that far. The rest all depends on number and moral of soldiers.
 
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There is no reason for reduction in infantry instead we need to increase strength since we have East and West both open, earlier we had east only. So no question of reduction. The requirement is to fix economy as early as possible
 
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