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Pakistan's blasphemy laws used to persecute non-Muslims

Massoud Ansari in Lahore and Michael Hirst
Last Updated: 1:22am BST 25/06/2006

By rights, the Pakistani Christians Asif Masih and Amjad Masih should be celebrating. Released from prison last month after their life sentences for blasphemy were overturned by Pakistan's supreme court, they are enjoying their first taste of freedom for seven years. But in the country's increasingly fundamentalist climate, the two feel as imprisoned now as they ever did, forced into hiding for fear of attacks by Muslim extremists.

The two cleaners from Jhang district, 300 miles south of Islamabad, were jailed by a Faisalabad court in 1999 under Pakistan's draconian blasphemy laws, having been wrongly accused of burning a copy of the Koran. Because the law can be invoked on the word of just one witness, it is frequently manipulated by Muslims to settle scores or rouse religious tensions.

Asif, 30, and Amjad, 36, who are not related - Masih is a generic term used to describe Christians in Pakistan - said police made the Koran-burning allegations after the pair refused to pay bribe money in 1998. Their first appeal was rejected on May 23, 2003, and they were finally freed last month.
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Amjad's wife, Kausar, said: "It has been a tough period for my family, but I am afraid the real tough time starts now, as the extremists can attack Amjad or somebody else from the family."

In jail, the two men were kept in solitary confinement for their own safety, following the murder of another blasphemer in a women's prison in 2003. Meena Munir, a local human rights activist, claimed they were just as much at risk having been released.

"Once a person is charged with blasphemy, he is considered condemned even if he is acquitted," she said. The families of the two men now face poverty, as employment prospects are bleak for anyone remotely associated with an alleged "blasphemer".

Amjad, his wife and their four children are now being looked after by the Bishop John Joseph Shaheed Trust, a charity set up in memory of a clergyman who committed suicide outside a court to protest against the blasphemy laws.

Amjad's story is all too familiar for Pakistan's vulnerable Christian minorities, who make up less than three per cent of the predom-inantly conservative Muslim population of 160 million. Unlike Christian communities in the Middle East, who are generally prosperous, Pakistani Christians are mainly poor - most trace their ancestry back to the "untouchable" Hindu Chuhra caste.

In many areas, they have suffered violence orchestrated against them and their churches. In February, 400 people attacked a church in the southern city of Sukkur after accusations that a Christian had set fire to a Koran. In 2002, Muslim hardliners threw grenades into a church on Christmas Day, killing three girls.

Worsening the situation for indigenous Christians is the perceived link between them and the Western world that is now demonised by extremists.

"Pakistan is becoming a fundamentalist state," Nasir Saeed, the London director for the Centre for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS), a Pakistani charity, told The Sunday Telegraph. Pakistan's National Commission for Justice and Peace, a Roman Catholic human rights body, has criticised the authorities for failing to prosecute Muslim militias, whom it claims have murdered at least 23 alleged blasphemers.

But defending those facing blasphemy charges is dangerous in itself. Joseph Francis, the co-ordinator for CLAAS in Lahore, said he had received death threats from al-Qaeda-linked groups for taking up such cases in the courts.

Although President Pervez Musharraf promised in 1999 to restrict the application of the blasphemy law, he withdrew, under pressure from funda-mentalist groups, settling instead on various rhetorical statements deploring religious intolerance.

In another case, Ranjha Masih was jailed for life for allegedly knocking over a board with Koranic verse. His wife, Rasheeda, said, "We always respect all the prophets of God and would not disrespect religious scripts."

Despite calls for reform, Ajaz-ul-Haq, Pakistan's religious minister, has insisted that even if 100,000 Christians lost their lives, the blasphemy law would not be repealed.

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Hey Everyone

I know this is a rather sensitive issue, but I believe that it is also an important one.

Webmaster, if you feel this thread is inappropriate, kindly inform me about the same.

Also, I am unsure about which topic I should put this thread under.

In any case, I feel this topic is worth discussing, since this law,by nature, is very easy to misuse.
 
Also, I'd request members to keep this thread clean. Please don't post tit-for-tat articles or counter-accusations.

Thanks
 
Pakistan blasphemy rethink urged
By Barbara Plett
BBC News, Islamabad

The UK's Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, on a visit to Pakistan, has asked its president to look at the nation's blasphemy law.

The law says desecrating the Koran is punishable by death. Christians say it is used as an excuse to attack them.

Last week Muslims torched churches and a convent school in Punjab province after accusing a Christian of burning Islam's holy book.

Dr Williams said he feared the law was being used to settle scores.

'Framed'

The incident in Sangla Hill, about 100km (62 miles) from Lahore, was the worst attack on Pakistan's Christian minority in recent times.

Three churches, parish homes and a convent school were set ablaze.

Christians locked themselves in their homes or fled.

The Muslims said the violence began when a local Christian man burned copies of the Koran. Christian clerics say he was framed.

But they say the wider problem is that Muslim extremists use Pakistan's blasphemy laws as an excuse to attack them.


The laws give the death penalty for defiling the Koran or insulting the Prophet, a sweeping definition that can be widely interpreted.


Dr Williams said the laws were a problem "not so much about the idea of a law against blasphemy as about a law whose penalty is so severe and whose practice gives so many loopholes to allow people to settle private scores by appealing to blasphemy laws".

The archbishop said he had asked Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf to scrutinise the application of the laws.

President Musharraf condemned the attack on the Christian community but equally condemned the alleged Koran burning.

That angered Christians. They complained the state did not do enough to protect them.

They said at best the police did not come to their rescue and at worst were complicit in the crime.
Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan blasphemy rethink urged

Published: 2005/11/23 16:35:05 GMT

© BBC MMVII
 
Mr stealth what a hypocracy you are showing asking not to post articles secondly its such a cowrdness to post some article published in 2006 and want to debate :)

Anyway it has been debated many times in the past on the forum and i dont see any reason for posting something publised almost over one year back.

If Mods feel it is ok than well be prepared we also reserve the right to flood the forum with such things.
:enjoy:
 
Mr stealth what a hypocracy you are showing asking not to post articles secondly its such a cowrdness to post some article published in 2006 and want to debate :)

Anyway it has been debated many times in the past on the forum and i dont see any reason for posting something publised almost over one year back.

If Mods feel it is ok than well be prepared we also reserve the right to flood the forum with such things.
:enjoy:

Jana, the article might be old, but the laws still apply today right? After all, an unfair law is quite a serious thing. Even more serious than bombings I feel.

You are free to post articles related to the topic of course, but naturally a post regarding India or China would derail the discussion.

I am sure the mods will not mind you posting articles about treatment of minorities in India in a new thread, considering the number of such articles you post on a regular basis :enjoy:


I just came across this while browsing around, and was quite surprised by it.

If it has been debated earlier, then I am not aware of it.

However, I would like your opinion on the issue

Thanks
 
Jana, the article might be old, but the laws still apply today right? After all, an unfair law is quite a serious thing. Even more serious than bombings I feel.
Indeed just like the treatment is being meted to Dalits and low cast hindus in India or the killing of new born girl babies in India still exist today right? rather centuries old ;)


I just came across this while browsing around, and was quite surprised by it.

And you did not come across laws like POTA and you did not come across atrocities against Dalits and other minorities. Isnt it strange dear.


If it has been debated earlier, then I am not aware of it.

Well mods are well aware of the topics so hope they will merg it there instead of letting the liter in every section of the forum.
 
Indeed just like the treatment is being meted to Dalits and low cast hindus in India or the killing of new born girl babies in India still exist today right? rather centuries old ;)

I am aware of the problems of India very well, and once again, please remain on the topic!!:argh:



And you did not come across laws like POTA and you did not come across atrocities against Dalits and other minorities. Isnt it strange dear.

Er...this article is not about POTA!! I am sure that POTA has been brought up by some member in the past and been discussed to the max!!

This article is about a certain law in pakistan that needs to be discussed!

Kindly tell me what you think about that, rather than POTA!!


Well mods are well aware of the topics so hope they will merg it there instead of letting the liter in every section of the forum.

Yes, if this topic has been brought up in another thread, then it should be merged :P
 
Indeed just like the treatment is being meted to Dalits and low cast hindus in India or the killing of new born girl babies in India still exist today right? rather centuries old ;)

And you did not come across laws like POTA and you did not come across atrocities against Dalits and other minorities. Isnt it strange dear.

Well mods are well aware of the topics so hope they will merg it there instead of letting the liter in every section of the forum.

One should be open to criticisms in forums, especially when people like journalist s just Google for any negative news about India and post in various forums here, PDF, IDF etc.
 
There are two questions here:

A. Should the blasphemy law be repelealed altogether??

B. Should the law as it stands today be modified to rectify the lacunas which enable the law to be misused??

Even though I am not strict 5 times a day prayer muslim; I find it deeply offensive if someone deliberately denigerates the holy prophet ( PBUH). I would be happy to extend the law to inculde the ridicule or insulting of the holy personages of other religions such as the Sikh Gurus or Hindu Devs or Lord Budhha. I would therefore not support the repealing of Blasphemy law altoghter. This would imply that one could legally publish the cartoons in Pakistan as they did in Denmark.

There is no doubt that the law as it stands today is open to and has been misused by the religious bigots and minorities have been at the receiving end. In my opinion the law is in urgent need of modification.

Firstly, the police should not register an FIR against any member of the minority community without refrerring it to city Nazim or a district magistrate.

Secondly, the motive of the complainant must be thoroughly investigated and if it is found that there is a history of previous quarrel betweeen the two parties on another matter, it is complainant who should be penalised. Finally, the intent is the most important factor. Was it deliberate or done inadvertantly. Most common complaint is that such and such person was seen "Burning Quran". A large percentage of sweepers/ street cleaners are totally illiterate and many Urdu Newspapers and other books contain Quranic verses. An illiterate "bhangi' is incapable of differentiating between Arabic and Urdu, thus even if that person was found burning a piece of paper with Quranic verse written on it; it was not deliberate and the person is innocent of blaspheming.
 
Even though I am not strict 5 times a day prayer muslim; I find it deeply offensive if someone deliberately denigerates the holy prophet ( PBUH). I would be happy to extend the law to inculde the ridicule or insulting of the holy personages of other religions such as the Sikh Gurus or Hindu Devs or Lord Budhha. I would therefore not support the repealing of Blasphemy law altoghter. This would imply that one could legally publish the cartoons in Pakistan as they did in Denmark.

Although, secularism, in its most liberal interpretation, freely allows open ridicule of gods and religious beliefs, this version of secularism is rarely tolerated in the subcontinent, or the world for that matter, except some European countries and the USA to an extent.

Taking into account the current situation in the subcontinent, I feel it would be unwise to allow newspapers to post pictures of Muhammaed, since it would lead to social unrest.

However, the current version should be modified, and perhaps extended to other religions as well.



The motive of the complainant must be thoroughly investigated and if it is found that there is a history of previous quarrel betweeen the two parties on another matter, it is complainant who should be penalised. Finally, the intent is the most important factor. Was it deliberate or done inadvertantly.

Yes, all this is part of the usual legal system that is followed around the world. Adopting such a thorough method would definitely help to lessen the misuse rather than depend on the testimony of just one witness.
 
One should be open to criticisms in forums, especially when people like journalist s just Google for any negative news about India and post in various forums here, PDF, IDF etc.

:) dear we have teh courage to face critisim that is why many of you almost all of you from India are here unlike others who left the IDF

but anyway lets not drag other forums here which i always avoide.

AS far critisim i guess we are much tolerent than your fellows and that is why you are here on this forum.

Posting anything negative about India on ur forum :P ahhh go and check that i think that is filled with all anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslims topics by Indians.
Now coming to this topic well read it again Stealth has posted something old stuff as old as over one year by googling and finding something to be posted against Pakistan altogather forgetting if he might have spend his energies and time on solving and debating grave social problems wich India is facing today it would have been good service to India.

But as everyone has the right to post anything so i dont have any objection but made just one comment about the date of the article and wasting bandwidth on posting something which had already been discusses and posted befor so asking Mods to merge it with older topic ;)

Now niaz had replied you in good manner and you can continue on the topic.
 
Stealth has posted something old stuff as old as over one year by googling and finding something to be posted against Pakistan altogather forgetting if he might have spend his energies and time on solving and debating grave social problems wich India is facing today it would have been good service to India.

Dear Jana, if I want to discuss the problems of India, I do so on Indian forums and amongst my friends, debating group etc.

If I want to find out about Pakistan or discuss articles regarding Pakistan, I do so on a Pakistani forum.

I am not one of those people who dig up negative articles to post. I have better things to do than that.



But as everyone has the right to post anything so i dont have any objection but made just one comment about the date of the article and wasting bandwidth on posting something which had already been discusses and posted befor so asking Mods to merge it with older topic ;)

Once again, its not about the date, but the significance of the topic.

If you gave me a choice between discussing the latest bomb blast in Pakistan and a shortsighted law, I would go for the shortsighted law.

This is because such laws are not a freak coincidence, but reflect the deeply rooted attitudes of the lawmakers, politicians, and ultimately the people.
 
Jana, the article might be old, but the laws still apply today right? After all, an unfair law is quite a serious thing. Even more serious than bombings I feel.

You are free to post articles related to the topic of course, but naturally a post regarding India or China would derail the discussion.

I am sure the mods will not mind you posting articles about treatment of minorities in India in a new thread, considering the number of such articles you post on a regular basis :enjoy:


I just came across this while browsing around, and was quite surprised by it.

If it has been debated earlier, then I am not aware of it.

However, I would like your opinion on the issue

Thanks
if only neglecting holocost in west consider a crime then i not think this law is unfair
 
Stealth,
Why don’t you see this law the other way in Islam insulting of any religion is prohibited we respect Christianity and their prophet is our prophet as well so we expect all the followers of other religions to respect ours as well. This law is a check to ensure the respect of religions and maintain harmony.

If your point is that this law is misused by extremists than in India thousands were martyred by Hindus in Gujarat there was no law and leave every thing ok, fine, Pakistan is an extremist state b/c it is an Islamic State but India is a secular state why there are mass killings of Minorities there?

Now who is the hypocrite?
 
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