Should Pakistan become a Presidential System ? And give up the Prime Minister System

[fitpOsitive]

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The one thing apparent from recent election and Win by PTI is even , after the win it was difficult to change Sindh as it is still ruled by Ethnic Politicians. Government was forced to allocate almost 10 Billion Dollars to Sindh Government (regional government) even knowing they do not have ability to develop Karachi

Thus it makes more sense to adopt a more Presidential System similar to US where the winner takes full control of Federal and Provincial matters and he "Chooses" his favorites for the role

How the winner President Chooses his team ?

a) Freedom to Choose one of his political affiliates for role for Ministry​

b) Ability to hire a PHD or expert from Pakistani Origin for Technical Purpose no prior political experience required​

c) Freedom to distribute budget to his team members at will​

d) No interference from Regional Provincial politics​

e) Any citizen of Pakistan can be assigned in leadership role in different provinces​

Ok, let's try.

 

[Indos]

Read up on First-past-the-post voting

Presidential system is not only USA, here in Indonesia we have multiple parties and no one can even exceeds 20 percent seat in parliament without making coalition with another parties.

Even the trend that this multiple parties tendency will likely to preserve as new party comes

LOL even now we have party coming from young people.

This Tsamara is one of the founder and just about 25 years old

 

[Falconless]

The point is a presidential system isn’t some silver bullet that will magically fix all of Pakistan’s structural issues.

As it won’t magically fix the flaws the issues in the 18th amendment.
It won’t magically fix our civil service
It won’t magically fix our judiciary

We need constitutional amendments and those need an absolute majority to become law.

One point I do think worth considering is giving the president the power to dismiss Parliament and the federal or provincial and municipal governments if he/she finds them to be operating in a manner that is unconstitutional or against the security and sovereignty of Pakistan.

 

[Imran Khan]

yes long time ago . but i fear they will do curruption more in pres system . think you give a country to nazoo or zardari or qatri rani

 

[Falconless]

Presidential system is not only USA, here in Indonesia

Your country is young don’t think you had elections until 1999, give it time and the other parties will eventual fall away. It’s a mathematical certainty unless you change the way you count votes.

 

[Enigma SIG]

First, dissolve all provinces and domiciles.
Every 10K population radius or 10KM radius gets a councillor. Each major city center gets divided into at least 6 independently governable zones by radius.

For councilors they have to set a manifesto before election. If they fail to implement their manifesto they can't run for next election.

Tax from zones goes directly to improve quality of life. Surplus goes to federal. Axe all pensions. 65 should be age of retirement. Sell most government enterprises or give share to common man via stocks.

Set threshold of at least 5 laws passed for lawmakers every year. Failure to which they cannot contest elections again.

Link FBR to Banking system and National Wallet. Eliminate cash above 500.

This is before the switch to Presidential system.

 

[Indos]

Your country is young don’t think you had elections until 1999, give it time and the other parties will eventual fall away. It’s a mathematical certainty unless you change the way you count votes.

We have free election in 1955 and we use Parliamentary system at that time, in 1959 Soekarno as President took the power and become Authoritarian ruler. I am afraid Tunisia will likely like this.

1955 Indonesian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Under the Presidential System , as you know for President's election the Population Count of City makes difference


Example

Example 1:
Karachi has 15 Million People
Interior Sindh has a Village with population of 20,000 people

• So in this example the seats allocated to Karachi would be may be 50 Seats vs may be 1 seat for Village in Sindh

Example 2:
Lahore has population of 12 Million People
Interior Punjab may be have a village with population of 3,000 people

• So in this example seats allocation for Lahore would be 45 seats and may be 1 seat for Village in interior Punjab again due to population difference

So the system is such that in order to get in to Presidential Leadership role you have to listen to concerns of your congested populated areas , you can't just ignore big maga cities



So there is less chance of what is happening between Sindh vs Karachi for last 10-15 years



What happens to small villages post election do big cities eat up all the funding ?

Answer:
No , Normally Budget is distributed according to population demographics , but a good team ensures similar , development takes place in remote areas

a) Example Internet
b) Hospital
C) School

This is where the Presidential System Shines because , the Team who President "Selects" based on merit is able to come up with better plans for Annual Budget distribution

 

[Falconless]

So in this example the seats allocated to Karachi would be may be 50 Seats vs may be 1 seat for Village in Sindh

And the village sees no development because her votes don’t win you elections

 

[Hareeb]

Already discussed many times on this forum. Search option should help find it.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Already discussed many times on this forum. Search option should help find it.

And never once has a convincing set of arguments been presented against the parliamentary system and in favour of fix via Presidential system.

 

[Falconless]

So the system is such that in order to get in to Presidential Leadership role you have to listen to concerns of your congested populated areas , you can't just ignore big maga cities



So there is less chance of what is happening between Sindh vs Karachi for last 10-15 years

Wouldn’t it be more simple to just bring a local governments law in every single province so that the issues of every county/zila and city are decided by the councils and mayors of those cities?
Centralisation is what led to the mess we see in Sindh.

And never once has a convincing set of arguments been presented against the parliamentary system and in favour of fix via Presidential system.

Literally every single time someone has brought this up, they have failed to make a merit based argument and just ended up showing their simplistic understanding of intricate issues.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Under Presidential System

The Appointed Care Takers , of Region , handle all aspects of development for region
They have to report back to their President about their performance , and budget release to each member is easy process


If some person is assigned to look after a village , and he/she can't report back with progress or development then the President can replace them and assign a new person to take up the role, no need for re-election and drama simple replacement , old person is removed and new person is announced to take the duties



The Presidential System , is more close to a Private Company , the Head of Company selects his Managers for Company
of course the President Selects the best capable manager so his company runs most effective way making him money





The current system in Pakistan is very flawed
> There are people at ground level fighting for seat , to get budget money from which they extract their profits for election costs
> Some people don't have any experience managing any streets or city
> Some people don't have proper education
> Some people also pay bribes to political parties to let them stand election under their banner
> There is struggle to distribute funds between Provincial government and City level Administrator specially if they are from different political party
> The 1-3 seat winners , try to influence election by selling their support and openly ask for "Ministry control" in order to sell their vote , it's almost like a blackmail , that a party who won 200 seats is blackmailed by 1-2 seat party to given then ministry control and it's budget in order to get cooperation

 

[Falconless]

Under Presidential System

The Appointed Care Takers , of Region , handle all aspects of development for region
They have to report back to their President about their performance , and budget release to each member is easy process

Or have elected municipal councils and mayors which are directly funded from the federal budget, removing the need of provincial governments entirely.

 

[Hareeb]

And never once has a convincing set of arguments been presented against the parliamentary system and in favour of fix via Presidential system.

Yup, and even it someone presents a few favourable point, the system can't be changed unless a party has 2/3 of the total seats in the parliament, which doesn't seem to be the case and will never be in the near future. Thus, it's pointless to discuss this all over again.