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f16 was no doubt the best thing happened to paf in the 80s but we have to move on
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now,the f16 deal is never fool proof... america is telling pakistan to do more against terrorism every day.. also saying that pakistan is not doing what it should do against terrorism.. so the deal can go haywire whenever american choose it to be.. u should never put your defence at stake on ''if and when'' we get f16s...
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french equipments are costly yes.. but reliable aswell.also they are willing to sell... these 2 variables are also important... (how many other countries are offering their front line 'qualitative/proven jets to us?).
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qualitative difference that we have now could've been narrowed if we had some mirages in the 90s..the 90s era has put paf atleast 8 years behind iaf
..yes we will be getting j10s and also modifying jf17 in lot of quantity.(both jets are in their infancy). but at the same time india would be getting added quality in terms of su30/f18.(both are mature platforms)..
and we will be again 5-10 years behind india..
cost will always be a problem.... but qualitative defence must always be the priority
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im not a technical person, but i think india has different programmes to counter our f7, mirage and a5 as these different jets have different plus and minus points.
.. but when we generalize to only jf17 and its elder brother j10, then the stratedy for india to deal with them would also be norrowed down.. so we need a variety.
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paf knows these facts... but as illfate , we couldnt get the mirages.forget the politicians and their 10 percent share.. order some rafales .. as their induction would also take time..im willing to give 10 percent to politicians if our defence can be supplemented.. get the damn money by begging if u have to.. our polticians are great at that..
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iaf is now under american petronage.. what will stop it to get f35s if the russian pak-fa programme doesnt materialize? this viscious cycle of paf lagging behind in quality will go on and on aslong as we dont make some tough and quick decisions...
*remember it was the qualititatve edge in 65 that won the war for us.. america was giving her frontline jets at that time.. [like f35 in the next few years] but now we are not that favourable for u.s
also as india is working on 5th gen... i'm not saying we should work on it.. but if rafales are out of question, then save the money for buying 5th gen jets from china/ sweden whenever they hit the market
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the point is that paf should have a trustworthy western hiteck/frontline/air superiority platform that can be supplemented alongwith j10s..
*most airforcesare using a combo of airsuperiority aircrafts .
*what will be paf having against the su30/f18 combo? j10/rafale seems the rightly option
[the platform can be less in quantity.i.e if bought in only couple of squadrons ,, it would not damage our relations with china rather diversify our front line options and take the pressure away from our jf17 fleet]
1]
now,the f16 deal is never fool proof... america is telling pakistan to do more against terrorism every day.. also saying that pakistan is not doing what it should do against terrorism.. so the deal can go haywire whenever american choose it to be.. u should never put your defence at stake on ''if and when'' we get f16s...
2]
french equipments are costly yes.. but reliable aswell.also they are willing to sell... these 2 variables are also important... (how many other countries are offering their front line 'qualitative/proven jets to us?).
3]
qualitative difference that we have now could've been narrowed if we had some mirages in the 90s..the 90s era has put paf atleast 8 years behind iaf
..yes we will be getting j10s and also modifying jf17 in lot of quantity.(both jets are in their infancy). but at the same time india would be getting added quality in terms of su30/f18.(both are mature platforms)..
and we will be again 5-10 years behind india..
cost will always be a problem.... but qualitative defence must always be the priority
4]
im not a technical person, but i think india has different programmes to counter our f7, mirage and a5 as these different jets have different plus and minus points.
.. but when we generalize to only jf17 and its elder brother j10, then the stratedy for india to deal with them would also be norrowed down.. so we need a variety.
=================================================================
paf knows these facts... but as illfate , we couldnt get the mirages.forget the politicians and their 10 percent share.. order some rafales .. as their induction would also take time..im willing to give 10 percent to politicians if our defence can be supplemented.. get the damn money by begging if u have to.. our polticians are great at that..
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5]
iaf is now under american petronage.. what will stop it to get f35s if the russian pak-fa programme doesnt materialize? this viscious cycle of paf lagging behind in quality will go on and on aslong as we dont make some tough and quick decisions...
*remember it was the qualititatve edge in 65 that won the war for us.. america was giving her frontline jets at that time.. [like f35 in the next few years] but now we are not that favourable for u.s
also as india is working on 5th gen... i'm not saying we should work on it.. but if rafales are out of question, then save the money for buying 5th gen jets from china/ sweden whenever they hit the market
===================================================================
the point is that paf should have a trustworthy western hiteck/frontline/air superiority platform that can be supplemented alongwith j10s..
*most airforcesare using a combo of airsuperiority aircrafts .
*what will be paf having against the su30/f18 combo? j10/rafale seems the rightly option
[the platform can be less in quantity.i.e if bought in only couple of squadrons ,, it would not damage our relations with china rather diversify our front line options and take the pressure away from our jf17 fleet]
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