Should Jinnah / Iqbal have negotiated for Jammu Kashmir and forgotten about Bangladesh (east pak)??

[Clutch]

Should Jinnah / Iqbal have negotiated for Jammu Kashmir and forgotten about Bangladesh (east pak)??

I think Jinnah should have negotiated with the British to include Kashmir in Pakistan more decisively and made that a corner stone of his demand. East pakistan ( Bangladesh) would have been his bargain chip to India. It would have appeased the hindus and the Bengalis would be where they should have stayed... part of Hindustan.... As most of them desire anyways.

The Kashmir would have been a viable option with a population inherently an integral part of us.

Just a thought....

We wouldn't have had the 1971 war with east pakistan breaking apart... we wouldn't have had a terror supporting India to our SOUTH causing trouble across the afghan border...

Win - win for the region.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

First of all Iqbal passed away 11 years before the birth of Pakistan and 4 years before even the resolution through which Muslim League started demanding for a separate state for the Muslims of India.

Secondly, Sir Muslim League was a Bengali-UP creation. It all started in 1906 in the backdrop of division of Bengal. Bengalis along with Muslims from UP and Bihar were the driving force behind Muslim League. Name me two Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi or Baloch politicians of the stature of Liaqat Ali Khan, Suharwardhy or Fazul ul haq.

If you try to study the dynamics of united Bengal before partition, you'll understand that of all the ethnic groups that joined to create Pakistan, Bengalis were the one who benefited most from it. See Punjabi Muslims were already pretty dominant in their province, same with the Pathans and Sindhis, the Baloch were also away from the yolk of Hindu domination. Bengali Muslims on the other hand were subject to oppression at the hand of the west Bengali elite. And the communal tensions were way higher there even before partition, take 1946 riots for example.

So saying that the Bengali Muslims wanted to stay with India is a blatant lie. They wanted Pakistan, they worked for it and yes we both messed up something beautiful resulting in creation of Bangladesh.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Clutch,

Pakistan could have ended up with Kashmir if they had let go of Hyderabad. Even as late as Nov 2, 1947 when the Indian army had got into a winning position in the Valley, Sardar Patel had offered you guys Kashmir for Hyd. But Jinnah sahib turned down the offer thinking Hyd a better prize.

Regards

 

[haviZsultan]

First of all Iqbal passed away 11 years before the birth of Pakistan and 4 years before even the resolution through which Muslim League started demanding for a separate state for the Muslims of India.

Secondly, Sir Muslim League was a Bengali-UP creation. It all started in 1906 in the backdrop of division of Bengal. Bengalis along with Muslims from UP and Bihar were the driving force behind Muslim League. Name me two Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi or Baloch politicians of the stature of Liaqat Ali Khan, Suharwardhy or Fazul ul haq.

If you try to study the dynamics of united Bengal before partition, you'll understand that of all the ethnic groups that joined to create Pakistan, Bengalis were the one who benefited most from it. See Punjabi Muslims were already pretty dominant in their province, same with the Pathans and Sindhis, the Baloch were also away from the yolk of Hindu domination. Bengali Muslims on the other hand were subject to oppression at the hand of the west Bengali elite. And the communal tensions were way higher there even before partition, take 1946 riots for example.

So saying that the Bengali Muslims wanted to stay with India is a blatant lie. They wanted Pakistan, they worked for it and yes we both messed up something beautiful resulting in creation of Bangladesh.

I agree with this beautiful post. Its hard to note your mistakes and solve them. Jinnah wanted Bengal to be in Pakistan. In fact stories from older relatives who met them tell us he even wanted more parts that went to India. Chaudhry Rehmat Ali's group even wanted Afghanistan. But unfortunate that we did not treat even Bengalis well and this led to a chauvinistic view that more territory couldn't be handled.

Couldn't the British rule an empire with dominions in Africa, Asia, Australia and where not? Weren't they completely different populations from the British? Isn't Reunion with a different demographic make up and ruled by . So we made mistakes and its time to accept them. We should make no excuses. If the Bengalis were too proud of their ethnicity we were too. Didn't Bhutto threaten to break the legs of Bengalis? What about Yahya Khan or generals who though Bengalis were too meak? I think we made a blunder by not accepting their government. If Mujib was indeed a traitor and wanted to create independent Bengal from the start we could have dealt with him with tact and at that moment. Biharis are still rotting there meaning we did not even take care of those who fought for Pakistan.

 

[third eye]

Should Jinnah / Iqbal have negotiated for Jammu Kashmir and forgotten about Bangladesh (east pak)??

I think Jinnah should have negotiated with the British to include Kashmir in Pakistan more decisively and made that a corner stone of his demand. East pakistan ( Bangladesh) would have been his bargain chip to India. It would have appeased the hindus and the Bengalis would be where they should have stayed... part of Hindustan.... As most of them desire anyways.

The Kashmir would have been a viable option with a population inherently an integral part of us.

Just a thought....

We wouldn't have had the 1971 war with east pakistan breaking apart... we wouldn't have had a terror supporting India to our SOUTH causing trouble across the afghan border...

Win - win for the region.

Princely states had an option to decide which dominion they wished to join.

What would have Jinnah negotiated with the British ? The Brits could not ask any state to join a Dominion of British choice.

In any case Kashmir like Hyderabad wanted to go it alone. So, what could Jinnah have negotiated with the British.

What he got was in his own words a " Moth Eaten & truncated Pakistan".

Here are two links to go through

https://sites.google.com/site/cabin...en-and-jinnah-negotiations-on-pakistan-april-

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fo371-635331.jpg

 

[BHarwana]

Don't worry we will get it now.

 

[G0dfather]

Don't worry we will get it now.

Please tag me whenever this happens.

 

[BHarwana]

Please tag me whenever this happens.

Sure mate.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Definitely. The earliest visionaries of Pakistan never even thought of Bengal to be a part of us - they aren't even in our country's acronym.

We share almost nothing in common with Bengalis except in religion - a split was inevitable. Kashmiris on the other hand - look like us, talk like us, share same principles and beliefs, share culture, share heritage and history and ect...

 

[punit]

Definitely. The earliest visionaries of Pakistan never even thought of Bengal to be a part of us - they aren't even in our country's acronym.

We share almost nothing in common with Bengalis except in religion - a split was inevitable. Kashmiris on the other hand - look like us, talk like us, share same principles and beliefs, share culture, share heritage and history and ect...

Muslim LEAGUE FOR FOUNDED IN Dhaka. Punjab, Sindh, Kalat and KPK never wanted a separate country till very end.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Muslim LEAGUE FOR FOUNDED IN Dhaka. Punjab, Sindh, Kalat and KPK never wanted a separate country till very end.

Here comes another Indian that wants to teach a Pakistani his own history.

Allama Iqbal was a Sialkoti of Kashmiri descent and the most famous to call for independence (1930) or a separate nation.
Choudhry Rahmat Ali who termed the acronym and name (1933) was a Punjabi Gujjar.

There are many more examples. The formation of Pakistan had majority support in KPK, Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan.

It was a decade later on that the Muslim League hopped in and supported the creation of Pakistan.

Pakistan wasn't entirely created on religion.
The regions and people of
P - Punjab
A - Afghania
K - Kashmir
S - Sindh
TAN - BalochisTAN

are and have always been distinct and unique from 'Indians' - we have our own culture, ethnicities, heritage, history, traditions and ect...

 

[ExiledHawk]

Should Jinnah / Iqbal have negotiated for Jammu Kashmir and forgotten about Bangladesh (east pak)??

I think Jinnah should have negotiated with the British to include Kashmir in Pakistan more decisively and made that a corner stone of his demand. East pakistan ( Bangladesh) would have been his bargain chip to India. It would have appeased the hindus and the Bengalis would be where they should have stayed... part of Hindustan.... As most of them desire anyways.

The Kashmir would have been a viable option with a population inherently an integral part of us.

Just a thought....

We wouldn't have had the 1971 war with east pakistan breaking apart... we wouldn't have had a terror supporting India to our SOUTH causing trouble across the afghan border...

Win - win for the region.

No. because Muslim hain Hum watan hai Sara Jahan Hamara (Iqbal)

 

[django]

Simply put the most artificial British entity known as British India should have been officially split into 3 nations instead of two nation!

Definitely. The earliest visionaries of Pakistan never even thought of Bengal to be a part of us - they aren't even in our country's acronym.

We share almost nothing in common with Bengalis except in religion - a split was inevitable. Kashmiris on the other hand - look like us, talk like us, share same principles and beliefs, share culture, share heritage and history and ect...

Superb post.Kudos

 

[breakingbad]

Well you guys looked down upon the Bgngalis and they seperated.
Now the Pashtoons look down upon the Pakistani Punjabis as daal khors.
So question of identity is still being discussed in Pakistan after 70 years of Indian independence.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Well you guys looked down upon the Bgngalis and they seperated.
Now the Pashtoons look down upon the Pakistani Punjabis as daal khors.
So question of identity is still being discussed in Pakistan after 70 years of Indian independence.

Where did you pull this out of from? Your rear-end?

Pakistani Pashtuns don't look down upon Punjabis, nor do Punjabis look down upon Pakistani Pashtuns.

Dal Khor is a term used by Afghans, the insult itself is pretty pathetic. Pakistanis look down upon Namak-Haram Afghans as being drug-addicts, terrorists, criminals, prostitutes and ect...