Shinzo Abe in Gujarat today: Bullet train foundation to be laid

[AndrewJin]

Thanks for the info

Two confirmed things as of now
Land survey is completed and accordingly cost calculation is done.
State owned BHEL will participate in manufacturing of rolling stock with Hitachi.
Looks like there is understanding for increasing the existing cooperation further.

Will this line be connected into the old stations or build new stations?
Will there be through services from old lines to the new line?

 

[hit&run&hitagain]

@AndrewJin

The feasibility studies have been done and it is going to be an elevated track HSR. The foundation has been laid this month and target of the first run on Indias 75th independence day has been marked.

On its financial viability, I am happy to work hard if genuine intent will be shown. All I can say it is a technological jump, a boomer, as many more corridors will be covered (Where China can bid as well). Apart from that, the loan terms are very liberal which at the end of this endeavor are going to give us better dividends against the cost that we are spending now.

 

[Sully3]

meanwhile in india

 

[AndrewJin]

@AndrewJin

The feasibility studies have been done and it is going to be an elevated track HSR. The foundation has been laid this month and target of the first run on Indias 75th independence day has been marked.

On its financial viability, I am happy to work hard if genuine intent will be shown. All I can say it is a technological jump, a boomer, as many more corridors will be covered (Where China can bid as well). Apart from that, the loan terms are very liberal which at the end of this endeavor are going to give us better dividends against the cost that we are spending now.

Different countries different technological standards,
I have concerns how these different standards used on different HSRs will impact connectivity within a network.....
Japanese lines are famous for narrow distance between 2 tracks, and very narrow tunnels.
Thus, other countries' trains cannot operate on their lines....
They are very smart.

 

[hit&run&hitagain]

Loan ammount is 80,000 crore. 800 Billion INR. 2.5 billion USD for 50 years.

15 years Moratorium

@ Interest rate of 0.1%

Different countries different technological standards,
I have concerns how these different standards used on different HSRs will impact connectivity within a network.....
Japanese lines are famous for narrow distance between 2 tracks, and very narrow tunnels.
Thus, other countries' trains cannot operate on their lines....
They are very smart.

I don't think Japanese would have deliberately thought of making their brand of HSR unique to out smart their competitors. They are a land scarce nation, therefore, it's justifiable that they developed that kind of gauge for their tracks.

If I understand your larger point that other countries may not fit into the scheme once Japanese HSR technology is adopted by India. I may partially agree with this notion but given these corridors are going to be exclusive catering the purpose of high-speed, different corridors may inculcate different parameters depending on feasibility studies and of course financial viability.

Eventually absorbing this technology and then manufacturing these trains at home is the desire. How that will shape in near future in anyone's guess.

 

[anant_s]

Thanks for the info


Will this line be connected into the old stations or build new stations?
Will there be through services from old lines to the new line?

entirely new network with standard gauge lines. So new stations and some new track alignment.

 

[AndrewJin]

entirely new network with standard gauge lines. So new stations and some new track alignment.

It would be much better if the current indian railway network had used standard gauge!
In nearly all HSR systems around the world, we have through services from old lines to new lines, from new lines to old lines (except for the single-direction system in Japan/SK/Taiwan)
Thus you would see slow trains and fast trains on the same platform....
New lines are organically parts of one integral system....

Maybe, the changeable gauge technique could be useful?
(In Spain's case)

Slow night train and bullet train on the same HSR

Bullet train & slow trains in one old railway station

Loan ammount is 80,000 crore. 800 Billion INR. 2.5 billion USD for 50 years.

15 years Moratorium

@ Interest rate of 0.1%



I don't think Japanese would have deliberately thought of making their brand of HSR unique to out smart their competitors. They are a land scarce nation, therefore, it's justifiable that they developed that kind of gauge for their tracks.

If I understand your larger point that other countries may not fit into the scheme once Japanese HSR technology is adopted by India. I may partially agree with this notion but given these corridors are going to be exclusive catering the purpose of high-speed, different corridors may inculcate different parameters depending on feasibility studies and of course financial viability.

Eventually absorbing this technology and then manufacturing these trains at home is the desire. How that will shape in near future in anyone's guess.

Japanese are very smart....
Check their IQ, average 105+.

In the beginning, Taiwan HSR adopted many european standards...
But then Taiwan HSR bought Japanese bullet trains.
And people found out those trains were incompatible with european signal systems and european tracks....
Ultimately, they had to rebuild many parts of the railway.....
I have lots of literature on these issues, but only in Chinese...
It is very interesting to see how one standard takes over another.....
(just like iPhone vs Android phones)

 

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[kadamba-warrior]

pm of gujrat.

good job for gujrati. its no use to india.

none of our concern either.

good luck to them.

Actually, I am also pissed because Karnataka and especially Bangalore (which contributes so much for GDP), is seriously under-served when it comes to Railways/suburban Railways, electrification and general Rail connectivity. But I think Modi can't be faulted for this specifically.

If I understand it correctly, the offer from Japan (who want to promote their Shinkansen technology) was to specifically use it for BULLET TRAINS or lose it.

India can't, for example, say spend money for Railway Safety/Security first. Neither can India divert the Japanese soft loan for any other developmental project.

The Japanese offer was specifically for a Bullet Train project and they chose A'Bad-Mumbai corridor, which actually makes economic sense. Given the terms of the loan with such low rates, it is a no-brainer.

I am amazed that even eminent people like Brahma Chellaney, don't get it! Some think-tank, he is!

If it is in between Mumbai and Delhi, it would be much better.. and no of train accident increasing, yet no major step taken towards security..

we needed delhi mumbai corridor.

Forgive my geography, but isn't Ahmedabad-Mumbai part of Delhi-Mumbai Corridor (even if they have to take a slight D tour for including A'bad to make the economies of scale work)? Couldn't the same line be further extended to Delhi?

 

[raj76]

Actually, I am also pissed because Karnataka and especially Bangalore (which contributes so much for GDP), is seriously under-served when it comes to Railways/suburban Railways, electrification and general Rail connectivity. But I think Modi can't be faulted for this specifically.

If I understand it correctly, the offer from Japan (who want to promote their Shinkansen technology) was to specifically use it for BULLET TRAINS or lose it.

India can't, for example, say spend money for Railway Safety/Security first. Neither can India divert the Japanese soft loan for any other developmental project.

The Japanese offer was specifically for a Bullet Train project and they chose A'Bad-Mumbai corridor, which actually makes economic sense. Given the terms of the loan with such low rates, it is a no-brainer.

I am amazed that even eminent people like Brahma Chellaney, don't get it! Some think-tank, he is!





Forgive my geography, but isn't Ahmedabad-Mumbai part of Delhi-Mumbai Corridor (even if they have to take a slight D tour for including A'bad to make the economies of scale work)? Couldn't the same line be further extended to Delhi?

most ppl dont get it that modi needs 100% backing of state govt for which he choose guj and mah . its a flagship project any failures in this project will hit his 2019 election chances