SHC summons Musharraf, Pirzada in treason case

[HAIDER]

KARACHI: The Sindh High Court (SHC) has asked for replies from former president Pervez Musharraf, former Attorney General Malik Qayyum and Sharifuddin Pirzada in a treason case filed by Al Jihad Trust chairman Khairi, news reports said.

The three have been notified to appear in court on April 14, reports said.

Another petition was filed against the former president by one Zahid Hussain.
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[batmannow]

so, here we go! i guss its a dangerous trend, which can shut down all this "democrazy"!
SUDEN DEATH? to DEMOCRAZY IN PAKISTAN!

 

[Rafael]

or is it a trend setting so that no other dictator can take over??

 

[batmannow]

or is it a trend setting so that no other dictator can take over??

raheel1,sir
its not a trend setting,& belive me all this "petition filling" will never going to stop any dictator taking powers in his , hands.
all this is going to bring , more stress on COAS, & it can backfire on every body?

 

[Rafael]

lol, Batman sir: I am sorry if I offended you but,

All I meant was, why cant army generals brought into the courts? why have they become untouchables...are they above the law and constitution?

My point is if a petition has been filed against him, he should come and fight it through proper channel...

 

[Bane Blade]

so, here we go! i guss its a dangerous trend, which can shut down all this "democrazy"!
SUDEN DEATH? to DEMOCRAZY IN PAKISTAN!

Really do you think that General Musharraf being charged in the courts is going to bring down democracy I hope it will be a warning to future Generals who wish to stain the name of the army from taking over it will teach them that they are responsible for the borders and make sure they protect that and not what goes inside them they can always vote for who they like but otherwise it is good that justice is served so that not even one Pakistani out their thinks ill of our armed forces.

 

[blain2]

Really do you think that General Musharraf being charged in the courts is going to bring down democracy I hope it will be a warning to future Generals who wish to stain the name of the army from taking over it will teach them that they are responsible for the borders and make sure they protect that and not what goes inside them they can always vote for who they like but otherwise it is good that justice is served so that not even one Pakistani out their thinks ill of our armed forces.

Do you think that what has gone on in Pakistan would be helped by putting one person on trial or instead by strengthening the law and putting clauses in it to ensure that a repeat of this never happens?

The same powers that Musharraf wielded are concentrated in the President of the day. Why not fix that first?

Bottom line is that setting examples in Pakistan does not work when the law and its enforcement does not cover all the loopholes. Also the question comes up as to how far back do you want to go?

You single out the Army for making an example out of it then get ready for some firecrackers. This is the reality of Pakistan. Focus should be on the issues and not personalities.

The only reason these cases are being instigated is because NS and his cronies have a gripe to level with the former General. As it is, NS' relations with the Army are not too great, pushing too much on this agenda may backfire.

They are responsible for the borders and make sure they protect that and not what goes inside them they can always vote for who they like

For that to happen, the Pakistani politicians have to act a bit more maturely and responsibly. You can't just lay the blame on the Army for barging in when the gates are left wide open by the civilians.

 

[Rafael]

Blain sir, with all due respect...but isnt it what the majority of pakistanis want? It would be good for pakistan or bad is another debate.

 

[Rafael]

Atleast we the people have the right to know what happened during kargil? whats the true story behind lal masjid...what happened on 12th may and who is responsible? we cant just let go these incidents and move forward...What do u say?

 

[blain2]

Blain sir, with all due respect...but isnt it what the majority of pakistanis want? It would be good for pakistan or bad is another debate.

Raheel,

I am not sure what the majority of Pakistanis want. What are you referring to?

 

[Rafael]

Raheel,

I am not sure what the majority of Pakistanis want. What are you referring to?

Sir I meant that masses stood by the cheif justice who he sacked and then voted heavily against musharaff on 18th Feb. doesnt that mean they dont like him and want him to answer what he did?

 

[blain2]

Atleast we the people have the right to know what happened during kargil? whats the true story behind lal masjid...what happened on 12th may and who is responsible? we cant just let go these incidents and move forward...What do u say?

Raheel,

For this you set up commissions. In the minds of many Pakistanis (mostly those who are pre-disposed to NS and team), Musharraf is already guilty. The entire SC bench currently can be viewed as hostile since they were sacked by Musharraf. So you really have to think through all these issues.

If you talk about Kargil, there is nothing criminal about that affair. The PM of the day was involved in the decision making. For these sort of things, if you want transparency then you setup commissions. The CoAS and the PM of the day cannot be held liable in a court of law because these decisions come under the realm of state policy and national security.

Similarly the story behind Lal Masjid. The President of Pakistan has a right to make an executive decision and those decisions made by him while being a President give him immunity from legal prosecution. As much as people may dislike my statement, you cannot have a state within a state on the basis of force of arms. This is not tolerated anywhere and those in the government who take action against such people cannot be held legally liable. Pakistan's whole problem with law enforcement is that everyone thinks that they can enforce what they want and whenever they want. Obviously its the government's failure in the first place but then you do not challenge them at gun point to get your way. What is going on in Swat is the exact same. Forcing a certain way on the people at gun point. They wanted shariat, the government gave them shariat courts and now the Taliban have a problem with those Shariat courts as well. So this problem has to be handled by talking and discussing. Not by kidnapping and force of arms.

Also proving all these allegations is another mess.

So my point is that you simply cannot start a circus of a trial because certain people have personal gripes to settle. It will distract Pakistan. It will cause further divisions within the country.

 

[blain2]

Sir I meant that masses stood by the cheif justice who he sacked and then voted heavily against musharaff on 18th Feb. doesnt that mean they dont like him and want him to answer what he did?

That is fine. But read my earlier post. There are ways and means to get these answers and to ensure that such things are not repeated ever.

 

[Rafael]

If you talk about Kargil, there is nothing criminal about that affair. The PM of the day was involved in the decision making. For these sort of things, if you want transparency then you setup commissions. The CoAS and the PM of the day cannot be held liable in a court of law because these decisions come under the realm of state policy and national security.

Exactly sir, I know this but my point is that N.S denies it publically...So something is wrong somewhere...Either at his end or musharaff's end and I'll not be surprised if both the stories untrue. So people should know why N.S is lieing? or from N.S's perspective, why wasnt he taken on board?

and commisons dont work in Pakistan, we hve got a history behind.

Similarly the story behind Lal Masjid. The President of Pakistan has a right to make an executive decision and those decisions made by him while being a President give him immunity from legal prosecution. As much as people may dislike my statement, you cannot have a state within a state on the force of arms. This is not tolerated anywhere and those in the government who take action are not held legally liable.

But President of Pakistan can be tried under constitution if needed. So I think its the right of every citizen of pakistan who thinks he/she had lost his dear one on that night and is fully justified..isnt it?



So my point is that you simply cannot start a circus of a trial because certain people have personal gripes to settle. It will distract Pakistan. It will cause further divisions within the country.

I beg to differ Sir but this approach hasnt worked for Pakistan..we previously have let go some politicians, generals and bueracrats with some very serious allegations just because we were afraid of riots and stuff..but it seems to happen again and again....and it'll never end...every time a politician/general or any person with sources for that matter has done something wrong was given a free passage.

so I think we have to start somewhere.

 

[blain2]

Exactly sir, I know this but my point is that N.S denies it publically...So something is wrong somewhere...Either at his end or musharaff's end and I'll not be surprised if both the stories untrue. So people should know why N.S is lieing? or from N.S's perspective, why wasnt he taken on board?
and commisons dont work in Pakistan, we hve got a history behind.

Raheel,

Commissions work just fine, its just that their findings are not released to the public. This is something that a neutral government should be able to do. You have to understand that at least for Kargil affair, there is nothing legally criminal. The Army took action as it felt was appropriate after involving the PM. The disagreement is about who told whom when etc. Its something that should be discussed but in a non-legal setting.

Similarly the story behind Lal Masjid. The President of Pakistan has a right to make an executive decision and those decisions made by him while being a President give him immunity from legal prosecution. As much as people may dislike my statement, you cannot have a state within a state on the force of arms. This is not tolerated anywhere and those in the government who take action are not held legally liable.

But President of Pakistan can be tried under constitution if needed. So I think its the right of every citizen of pakistan who thinks he/she had lost his dear one on that night and is fully justified..isnt it?

Tried under constitution for what? That he discharged his duty based on the advice of his people on the ground? People should not be wronged. I do not have a problem with that. Someone should answer for the LM affair. Well who should? Should the ones who started this whole affair or the ones who tried to end it? Secondly by dragging all and sundry in the court of law, you are setting the wrong precedence. This precedence is that picking up arms against the government is fine and should there be any violence then the government would be liable. If this is the way it is to be done then do realize that the already shabby law enforcement in Pakistan will become even worse as nobody would be willing to make difficult decisions out of fear for their own hides.

I beg to differ Sir but this approach hasnt worked for Pakistan..we previously have let go some politicians, generals and bueracrats with some very serious allegations just because we were afraid of riots and stuff..but it seems to happen again and again....and it'll never end...every time a politician/general or any person with sources for that matter has done something wrong was given a free passage.

so I think we have to start somewhere.

You start somewhere by being fair across the board. If you want to put Musharraf on trial for subverting the constitution, then how about the leaders running around with sins just as big? What about the theft, loot, plunder, desecration of judiciary of the others who are still on the political scene? Its a slippery slope. Just in Swat with the establishment of the Sharia courts, the Qazis had to put a limit on the cases being brought to them. They said that they will only handle cases from 2000 onwards. So what about the wrongs committed in the 90s??

Justice is one which is uniform and applies to all. It should not be one which only caters to the whims and fancies of some.