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first of all why would they do it?? obviously when they capture a terrorist risking their life for your safety .. then due to poor prosecution by government they are set free ..sometimes judges dnt even listen to their case ...then they guys come out .. cut the throats of the more people and play football with the soilders head .. solider have no choice to make them disappear ..

secondly there is and was propaganda against the army going on specially in geo case .. for example Hamid Mir blamed army attacked residencey of the Quaid e azam in Zayarat to destablize the government in balouctistan .. 3 days leader BLA released the video showing how they destroyed it .. there are alot of examples .. this is just one of them

Those justifications are no excuse for patent illegal behavior by the Army. Trying to prevent criticism of the Army for doing such heinous acts will always be a losing game.
 
There is no balance in the present situation, and it is only a matter of time before the ship of state keels over once again. These claims of "restraint" and "balance" and "new thinking" are all false.
don;t agree with you on that, most of the things mentioned in the article are just statements, without any evidence to back them up, heck they are not even solid facts, they are just mere opinions.....
Geo's license was suspended after due process was followed.
Def Minister gave his official statement that he was not satisfied with the verdict, which is his legal right.....Keep it in mind, he is the same Def Minister, who stood in NA session and criticized military.
again, most of the things mentioned in the article are just assumptions or just mere opinion, to which they are entitled too
 
don;t agree with you on that, most of the things mentioned in the article are just statements, without any evidence to back them up, heck they are not even solid facts, they are just mere opinions.....
Geo's license was suspended after due process was followed.
Def Minister gave his official statement that he was not satisfied with the verdict, which is his legal right.....Keep it in mind, he is the same Def Minister, who stood in NA session and criticized military.
again, most of the things mentioned in the article are just assumptions or just mere opinion, to which they are entitled too

Some opinions are formed after weighing the facts fairly. :D
 
Those justifications are no excuse for patent illegal behavior by the Army. Trying to prevent criticism of the Army for doing such heinous acts will always be a losing game.
well being idealist is one thing but world dnt work that way ...
India did that in kashmir, Isreal did that as well , Srilanka did that to fight terrorism .. even US did that on several occasions ...
asi son of an army officer who have seen his dad fighting for his country .. i wish PM order the army and ISi to resign and let the terrorist come and play football with ur head .. sitting in US and talking about how the soilders have to behave according to whats written on a piece of paper is easy my friend
 
well being idealist is one thing but world dnt work that way ...
India did that in kashmir, Isreal did that as well , Srilanka did that to fight terrorism .. even US did that on several occasions ...
asi son of an army officer who have seen his dad fighting for his country .. i wish PM order the army and ISi to resign and let the terrorist come and play football with ur head .. sitting in US and talking about how the soilders have to behave according to whats written on a piece of paper is easy my friend

So how is ignoring that "piece of paper" working out for Pakistan? My head is far more secure on my shoulders because of the fact that I live in a place where that "piece of paper" means something. And those in uniform who ignore that "piece of paper" are the gruesome sports equipment that you just wished for me.

Sad, truly sad, to see that those who should know better act this way.
 
So how is ignoring that "piece of paper" working out for Pakistan? My head is far more secure on my shoulders because of the fact that I live in a place where that "piece of paper" means something. And those in uniform who ignore that "piece of paper" are the gruesome sports equipment that you just wished for me.

Sad, truly sad, to see that those who should know better act this way.
u live in society where where electiosn are not rigged , wjhere two families are not ruling for decades, where there is no caste system, where people are educated .. as i said being idealist is easy but world dnt work that way
 
u live in society where where electiosn are not rigged , wjhere two families are not ruling for decades, where there is no caste system, where people are educated .. as i said being idealist is easy but world dnt work that way

What I say is not idealism, but very realistic. Pakistan cannot progress to all these things you mention without those who have the power a.k.a. The Army realizing that they need to follow the law just as everybody else. IF and when they do, the rest of the nation will fall in line too.
 
What I say is not idealism, but very realistic. Pakistan cannot progress to all these things you mention without those who have the power a.k.a. The Army realizing that they need to follow the law just as everybody else. IF and when they do, the rest of the nation will fall in line too.
bro I agree with u on principle .. but they dont interfere as much as u think .. yes on foreign policy issue they do .. just bcoz the we r ruled by person who couldnt manage to get 2nd division in matric .. PPP time was the worst .. did they imposed martial law..??? they didnt? Every party was saying election is rigged , Did they interfere, they did.. On Geo issue, they reacted bcoz they were being insulted, this institution was doing it for long time...now why i am i arguing .. I have seen in the militry that they dont want to take over .. the cvivlian government also realise that ... but now to show them that they are the masters and army is the servent .. they are doing stupid things .. army reliased it and they dont want to interfere unless its very important and it affects them ...

btw during all the martial laws people were really happy, b$ 2007 musharraf was the most famous leader... see the growth rate in previous martials and compare it with the civilian governments .. the civilaian government was busy making their own money .. dont u ever wonder who zardari and PLM N in top 5 richest person in Pakistan .. how many times their wealthy multiplied after ech time they ruled
 
bro I agree with u on principle .. but they dont interfere as much as u think .. yes on foreign policy issue they do .. just bcoz the we r ruled by person who couldnt manage to get 2nd division in matric .. PPP time was the worst .. did they imposed martial law..??? they didnt? Every party was saying election is rigged , Did they interfere, they did.. On Geo issue, they reacted bcoz they were being insulted, this institution was doing it for long time...now why i am i arguing .. I have seen in the militry that they dont want to take over .. the cvivlian government also realise that ... but now to show them that they are the masters and army is the servent .. they are doing stupid things .. army reliased it and they dont want to interfere unless its very important and it affects them ...

btw during all the martial laws people were really happy, b$ 2007 musharraf was the most famous leader... see the growth rate in previous martials and compare it with the civilian governments .. the civilaian government was busy making their own money .. dont u ever wonder who zardari and PLM N in top 5 richest person in Pakistan .. how many times their wealthy multiplied after ech time they ruled

The Army interferes much more than you describe, and in ways that are absolutely corrosive for the national foundations in the long run. That is why we are in the mess that we are in. Martial law rule for nearly half the time since independence, and blatant interference the remaining time has ensured a collapse of institutions with Army remaining the only power broker. This may work well for the Army, but is horrible for the country as a whole.
 
One of the lamest articles that i have ever read.

The funny things is that when Army was (alegedly) ultra vires, the likes of VChung critisiced it and asked it to conform itself to the norms. Now that Army has taken the legal course towards every issue, VChungs still suffer from verbal diariaha.

In Geo's case the proper channel was followed, not by the military by the MoD, and it culminated in its logical end, still VChungs try to portray that it was wrong.

VChungs should now either grow the balls and say that what Geo did by accusing DG ISI was right or they should STFU.

In Musharraf's case when the same courts tried him and made him into an accused, they were guud and Army was bad, today when the same courts get his name off the ECL, still the Army is bad. STFU VChung!

As for operation in NWA, when Army should restraint as the CIVILIAN Govt wanted to negotiate, the Army was bad because it did not react, now when an Operation is underway, again Army is bad.

So in short, whatever the Army do, however legal and proper it may be, VChungs shall still shyt through their mouths. So carry on, its your own breath that have started to stink now.
 
One of the lamest articles that i have ever read.

The funny things is that when Army was (alegedly) ultra vires, the likes of VChung critisiced it and asked it to conform itself to the norms. Now that Army has taken the legal course towards every issue, VChungs still suffer from verbal diariaha.

In Geo's case the proper channel was followed, not by the military by the MoD, and it culminated in its logical end, still VChungs try to portray that it was wrong.

VChungs should now either grow the balls and say that what Geo did by accusing DG ISI was right or they should STFU.

In Musharraf's case when the same courts tried him and made him into an accused, they were guud and Army was bad, today when the same courts get his name off the ECL, still the Army is bad. STFU VChung!

As for operation in NWA, when Army should restraint as the CIVILIAN Govt wanted to negotiate, the Army was bad because it did not react, now when an Operation is underway, again Army is bad.

So in short, whatever the Army do, however legal and proper it may be, VChungs shall still shyt through their mouths. So carry on, its your own breath that have started to stink now.

Reported for foul language and personal attacks. Shame on you Sir.
 
There's nothing for you to qoute or report, sir. You deliberatly ask for such a 'foul' language, you get what you deserve, sir.
 
btw during all the martial laws people were really happy, b$ 2007 musharraf was the most famous leader... see the growth rate in previous martials and compare it with the civilian governments

This myth of "khushhaali" during Martial Law is just that - a myth. You may want to read this article. There can be no meaningful progress with such a large debt load, and such a large defense budget.


Rising poverty in Pakistan

Rising poverty in Pakistan
Pakistan’s progress on achieving the MDGs is disappointing. Reports prepared by national and international bodies show that Pakistan will not be able to reach the MDGs by 2015, as it is short of almost all its targets on the time scale

Salman Ali
June 14, 2014


Poverty is not a new phenomenon in Pakistan as every third Pakistani is caught in the ‘poor’ bracket, i.e. some 58.7 million out of a total population of 180 million subsist below the poverty line. This includes more than half the population in the forever remote Balochistan, 33 percent in Sindh, 32 percent in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and 19 percent in Punjab. These are daunting figures for every Pakistani. According to the report Pakistan Living Standards Measurement (PLSM), survey data have registered a decline in the poverty headcount from 34.5 percent to 12.4 percent in 10 years. Though this indicates a lot of progress towards poverty alleviation, the realities on the ground do not match the conclusions. That is the reason why a technical group has been set up by the Ministry of Planning, Development and Reforms to review the official methodology for poverty estimation and validation of poverty numbers. According to a World Bank report, World Development Indicators 2013, 60 percent of Pakistan's population lives below the poverty line. The international poverty line is two dollars a day or an income of Rs 200 per day. The report showed that 21 percent of Pakistan's population lives below $ 1.25 per day, and a larger number lives under two dollars a day. A comparison of regional countries showed that the poverty rate in Sri Lanka and Nepal was significantly less than Pakistan with 23.9 percent and 57.35 percent, respectively.

An analysis of the data revealed that 30.9 percent of children under the age of five are suffering from malnutrition and are underweight. The youth literacy rate was recorded at 71 percent for the 15-24 age group. The vulnerable employment, the proportion of unpaid family workers and own account workers in total employment was 63 percent. In recent years, to help the poor, schemes like the Pakistan Poverty Alleviation Fund, Tameer-e-Watan Programme, Benazir Income Support Programme, Pakistan Bait-ul-Maal, subsidies on food, Employees Old Age Benefit Scheme and Workers Welfare Fund have been launched. But, according to independent observers, these initiatives have benefited a small percentage of the country's population. It is pertinent to note here that fighting poverty is at the core of the UN Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). Although the government has adopted a number of measures to achieve the MDG benchmarks by 2015, it is lagging behind in achieving most targets in various sectors. Regarding the goal on education, there has actually been a regression. The Net Enrolment Ratio (NER) improved from 42 percent in 2001-02 to 57 percent in 2011-12 but it is still far short of the target, while the Completion Rate to grade level five remains stagnant at 57 percent during the period. There is also little possibility of achieving the target of enabling all children to complete a course of primary schooling by 2015. The literacy rate is supposed to have risen from 35 percent in 1990-91 to 58 percent in 2008-9, but this falls far short of the MDG target of 88 percent by 2015. Similarly, the Gender Parity Index for primary and secondary education stands at 0.84 and 0.80 respectively, showing little change from the rates of 0.82 and 0.75 in 2001-02.

At a recent consultative workshop on the national accelerated plan of action for achieving the MDGs, it was claimed by government spokesmen that considerable progress had been made towards achieving MDGs four and five pertaining to maternal and child health. But some basic figures run counter to the claim. According to reports by international agencies, the maternal mortality rate is 276 per 100,000 live births, the under-five mortality rate is 89/1,000 live births and infant mortality is 73/1,000 live births. The most unfortunate figure relates to the neonatal mortality rate, which remained stagnant around 55/1,000 live births during the last three decades. According to government sources, of the 34 indicators on which Pakistan reports progress to the UN and on which data is available, Pakistan is on track only on 10. Unchecked food inflation has nullified the steps taken to eradicate poverty, and the poverty headcount ratio, which was 17.2 in 2007-08 according to the National Poverty Survey, has increased. Food insecurity is an increasing threat to over 60 percent of the people in Pakistan. The reasons cited for lagging behind in fighting poverty by achieving MDG goals include internal and external economic challenges, natural disasters, internal conflicts, and institutional, administrative and political bottlenecks. During the September session of the UN General Assembly this year, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, explaining why Pakistan is not on track to achieving the MDG targets, told the gathering that a large proportion of our resources have been consumed by the war on terrorism. This is a standard excuse that Pakistan offers at every forum, though the world continues to ask why we have not been able to make progress on MDGs comparable to what the poor nations of sub-Saharan Africa have achieved. By all indications, Pakistan’s progress on achieving the MDGs is disappointing. Reports prepared by national and international bodies show that Pakistan will not be able to reach the MDGs by 2015, as it is short of almost all its targets on the time scale. Regarding the eradication of poverty and hunger, the reports say some progress has been made but the 2015 target is unlikely to be achieved.

In their various reports, civil society organisations have stressed that Pakistan will have to launch a new drive for internal resource mobilisation as well as divert resources from other non-productive pursuits and activities to move speedily towards achieving the MDGs. There is still half a year left to the goal and we can even now get our act together to achieve what other less well endowed nations have done. We need to devise a new national development agenda and a more responsive policy framework for this purpose. The first step towards this would be to learn from the experience of various countries in Asia and Latin America, which have successfully lifted the marginalised sections of their populations above the poverty line. Action against poverty needs to be taken at two levels. In the first category should be special food-and-cash schemes as part of a larger social safety net targeting the poorest of the poor in the urban slums and the rural hinterland who have no employable skills and face food insecurity on a daily basis. On a wider canvas, poverty can be fought only through a special package of policy measures designed to accelerate growth both in the agricultural and industrial sectors, launch new employment generation programmes and ensure a more equitable distribution of national income. Poverty is not evil but to remain poor and to accept poverty is really bad. In Pakistan, poverty is increasing day by day. Effective steps of government are required to reduce it. Government should provide credit facilities and use labour intensives techniques of production to reduce the poverty.
 
The def budget is not 'such a large', its as per our GDP, and most importantly if you your likes can divert your attention away from maligning the military towards the poor system of governance, illiterate politicians and sold out media, only the curtailed losses of our PSEs like Pak Steel, Rail and PIA alone can sustain our def budget, as they lose almost an amount equal to our def budget.

As you are so blinded in hatred against the military you also dont know that Pakistan gives $ 6.5 Billion annually (equal to our def budget) as freight charges to carrier ships which transport our oil imports, although we do have our own merchant ships and tankers. Now this is criminal!!

Only if this levy is saved by utilizing own resources, which infact is no difficult task at all, our military can be maintained free of cost. But then douches like you wont say anything about the incompetency of those who infact are the actual reason behind our downfall, including the politicians and civ beauracracy.

Hence, i say again: STFU!
 
The def budget is not 'such a large', its as per our GDP, and most importantly if you your likes can divert your attention away from maligning the military towards the poor system of governance, illiterate politicians and sold out media, only the curtailed losses of our PSEs like Pak Steel, Rail and PIA alone can sustain our def budget, as they lose almost an amount equal to our def budget.

As you are so blinded in hatred against the military you also dont know that Pakistan gives $ 6.5 Billion annually (equal to our def budget) as freight charges to carrier ships which transport our oil imports, although we do have our own merchant ships and tankers. Now this is criminal!!

Only if this levy is saved by utilizing own resources, which infact is no difficult task at all, our military can be maintained free of cost. But then douches like you wont say anything about the incompetency of those who infact are the actual reason behind our downfall, including the politicians and civ beauracracy.

Hence, i say again: STFU!
Pak Army over any of these nooras any day!!!! I fail to comprehend how so many paindoos still support these corrupt politicians
 
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