Sharia Law

[Vinod2070]

Jazakallah Araz,

You have summerized very well,

Islam is perfect ,complete religion ,and its laws (shariah law) are for our protection and welfare,for example zakat , it is for well fare of whole islamic society and for help of needy persons.

In europe,america 35% deducted from monthly income forcefully, but in islam only 2.5% deducted from income per year basis,natuarlly people prefer islam .

but if muslims dont pay zakat then Allah give punishment in form of natural diaster droughts ,earth quakes etc,

Simmilarly music,adultary,intrest money,taxes, type of social evils prevailing in muslim society and they dont try to eliminate these evils from society then Allah definately punish muslim society.

What is the income tax rate in Pakistan? Is it 2.5 %?

If no then what does it make of your country!

Isn't the internet too an evil among the many you listed? It is a repository of many evils as per you. Why are you on it? Are you contributing to getting the Muslim society punished?

Aren't video and pictures also evils? Do you watch TV? Use mobile cameras?

 

[waraich66]

What is the income tax rate in Pakistan? Is it 2.5 %?

If no then what does it make of your country!

Pakistan built in name islam but still british taxation system is continued, which should be converted to zakat system,

There should be only one system ,presently both systems are working ,which is wrong,

Isn't the internet too an evil among the many you listed? It is a repository of many evils as per you. Why are you on it? Are you contributing to getting the Muslim society punished?

Aren't video and pictures also evils? Do you watch TV? Use mobile cameras?

Islam is not against of use of latest tools ,but misuse of these tools is prohibited.

Arab muslims developed present counting system ,in roman you can not write more then hundred

Present development in science and technology is based on research of muslim scientist which depicts that islam is not against use of modren technology ,but it should be used for development purposes not for distruction of society.

 

[Vinod2070]

Pakistan built in name islam but still british taxation system is continued, which should be converted to zakat system,

There should be only one system ,presently both systems are working ,which is wrong,

I am not asking how many system should be there. It is about what is in practice currently. If Pakistan charges the same income tax as the USA then why did you give their example and not your own?

Also there are many Pakistani who believe that South Korea copied Pakistani economic model! What was Pakistani about the model? Was it Islamic? Was it something other than the capitalist model which had been practiced by the West for centuries already?

Islam is not against of use of latest tools ,but misuse of these tools is prohibited.

Arab muslims developed present counting system ,in roman you can not write more then hundred

Present development in science and technology is based on research of muslim scientist which depicts that islam is not against use of modren technology ,but it should be used for development purposes not for distruction of society.

Again you prefer to deal in generalities rather than the specifics! The present decimal counting system was an Indian Hindu invention. The Arabs adopted it and taught it to the West. I thought you would know such basic facts!

Also I asked very specific questions about video and pictures and internet which you chose to ignore!

If everything is based on research by "Muslim scientists", why are they unable to develop the knowledge? Can't you see how meaningless this sounds. Many civilizations throughout history laid the foundations of knowledge on which the current scientific progress is based. The Muslims did indeed do a good job of acquiring the knowledge from many sources and also advancing it for a period but then they lost the zeal and fell back to intolerance and backwardness.

The amazing and unprecedented progress of the recent decades and centuries is in it's own league and it is dishonest for anyone to take all credit for it.

Least of all by those who have contributed zilch to it!

 

[roadrunner]

Before going any further, can any of you define what Shariah Law is?

If so, state precisely the laws regarding for example, veiling, beards, stoning punishment and some other things.

I don't think any of you will be able to unanimously come to any conclusion.

 

[waraich66]

I am not asking how many system should be there. It is about what is in practice currently. If Pakistan charges the same income tax as the USA then why did you give their example and not your own?

Tax is haram in islam , as in saudi arabia there is no Tax on your income.Pakistan has taxation system ,which is continuation of British rule.

First step is to change the present law of taxation ,which assembly can change but no member is ready to implement it.How can this system can be implemented.

Also there are many Pakistani who believe that South Korea copied Pakistani economic model! What was Pakistani about the model? Was it Islamic? Was it something other than the capitalist model which had been practiced by the West for centuries already?

South Korea hired services of Dr Mahbob Ul Haq ,who dont have knowledge of islamic financial system,

Again you prefer to deal in generalities rather than the specifics! The present decimal counting system was an Indian Hindu invention. The Arabs adopted it and taught it to the West. I thought you would know such basic facts!

Hindi language is based on sansikrat which is now obselete ,present hindi language is mixture of greek,persian,arabic and sansikrat .

present numbers ,zero and decimal is discovery of arab mathematicians .

Your claim is wrong ,

see below link

Zero, Key To Numbers


It was once impossible to rely on numbers, even for counting until Arab mathematicians showed the world how to use the zero.
Saudi Aramco World : Zero, Key To Numbers

Also I asked very specific questions about video and pictures and internet which you chose to ignore!

Video and picture and internet is not haram but again there are certain rules which islam emphesis to follow,

If everything is based on research by "Muslim scientists", why are they unable to develop the knowledge? Can't you see how meaningless this sounds. Many civilizations throughout history laid the foundations of knowledge on which the current scientific progress is based. The Muslims did indeed do a good job of acquiring the knowledge from many sources and also advancing it for a period but then they lost the zeal and fell back to intolerance and backwardness.

This is problem with you that you are missing very important history events of islamic history ,Bagdad was main city of scietific development ,Hilaku Khan distroyed it in 1100 AD .
Lot of these books related to muslim scientist were taught in spain univeristies and rome.So they continue research but muslims research stoped after Attack of Hilaku Khan in Baghdad.

The amazing and unprecedented progress of the recent decades and centuries is in it's own league and it is dishonest for anyone to take all credit for it.Least of all by those who have contributed zilch to it!

Read carefully below information to make your doubt clear

Excerpted from: Appendix B of ‘The Miracle of Islamic Science’ by Dr. K. Ajram, Copyright © 1992
Setting the Record Straight: The Miracle of Islamic Science The Sakooter Speaks

 

[waraich66]

Before going any further, can any of you define what Shariah Law is?

If so, state precisely the laws regarding for example, veiling, beards, stoning punishment and some other things.

I don't think any of you will be able to unanimously come to any conclusion.

Yep, think tanker , we will appreciate if you give your opinion on this subject and define it with more detail and references.

blame game will not work here

 

[Vinod2070]

Tax is haram in islam , as in saudi arabia there is no Tax on your income.Pakistan has taxation system ,which is continuation of British rule.

First step is to change the present law of taxation ,which assembly can change but no member is ready to implement it.How can this system can be implemented.

So why is a country created in the name of Islam continuing with a patently non-Islamic tax system! Was it all a fraud!

Hindi language is based on sansikrat which is now obselete ,present hindi language is mixture of greek,persian,arabic and sansikrat .

I am not sure where that came from and why!

present numbers ,zero and decimal is discovery of arab mathematicians .

Your claim is wrong ,

see below link

Zero, Key To Numbers


It was once impossible to rely on numbers, even for counting until Arab mathematicians showed the world how to use the zero.
Saudi Aramco World : Zero, Key To Numbers

You are mistaken. It was the Hindu mathematician Aryabhatta who invented the decimal system and place value notation.

Albert Einstein wrote: “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.”

The number zero was introduced by an Indian mathematician named Aryabhatta. We take the significance of the number zero for granted.

Yet, until one thousand five hundred (1500) years ago, mathematicians did not realize that it was necessary to include zero in their number system.

Today, the binary system of zeros and ones is the absolute cornerstone of computing.

I Am A Black Mathematician: Aryabhatta: The Great Indian Mathematician

In 498 AD, Indian mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata stated that "Sthanam sthanam dasa gunam" or place to place in ten times in value, which may be the origin of the modern decimal-based place value notation.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)

Everyone and his uncle knows that zero is an Indian and Hindu discovery. That the Arabs took it from India!

Video and picture and internet is not haram but again there are certain rules which islam emphesis to follow,

Well I have seen many Muslims claim that any pictures of a living thing are haraam. Not sure if this is your individual interpretation or just thinking of convenience.

This is problem with you that you are missing very important history events of islamic history ,Bagdad was main city of scietific development ,Hilaku Khan distroyed it in 1100 AD .
Lot of these books related to muslim scientist were taught in spain univeristies and rome.So they continue research but muslims research stoped after Attack of Hilaku Khan in Baghdad.

See I don't deny that Muslims led the world in Science for a period as did others before them and after them. You are trying to claim the credit for all current Scientific developments for Muslims and that is plain absurd. Even you should be able to see that.

Read carefully below information to make your doubt clear

Excerpted from: Appendix B of ‘The Miracle of Islamic Science’ by Dr. K. Ajram, Copyright © 1992
Setting the Record Straight: The Miracle of Islamic Science The Sakooter Speaks

I don't see any proofs at all. Just claims. Some of them may be true. They still don't prove that Muslims deserve all credit for all progress. There were people before them and after them who have played their part.

DO you even believe that Isaac Newton was some Ishaq, a Muslim? I know that it is taught in some Madressas and many believe that.

 

[waraich66]

So why is a country created in the name of Islam continuing with a patently non-Islamic tax system! Was it all a fraud!

Implementation of islam is not one day job ,this process is continue process may take 50 more years.

 

[Vinod2070]

Implementation of islam is not one day job ,this process is continue process may take 50 more years.

Why is that? Don't you have all the guidance that you need right before you?

What are you waiting for? What is the process you are talking of?

Be a little more specific. What is the process, what has been accomplished and what are the next steps, how long do they take, their application and results in other Muslim societies etc.

 

[waraich66]

Why is that? Don't you have all the guidance that you need right before you?

What are you waiting for? What is the process you are talking of?

Be a little more specific. What is the process, what has been accomplished and what are the next steps, how long do they take, their application and results in other Muslim societies etc.

To grow plant you need suitable environment ,mango tree can not planted in Gilgit or Skardu.

Simmilarly islam implementation need a conducive environment which need continues efforts ,so there are few muslim organisations working peace fully for implementation of islam target is not Pakistan only but whole world where ever muslims are living and next phase will be to give invitation to non muslims .

Because presently muslim are not completely practicing islam so to invite non believers is not recommended.

 

[Vinod2070]

To grow plant you need suitable environment ,mango tree can not planted in Gilgit or Skardu.

Not sure if it is an apt comparison! Are you saying that a country created in the name of Islam, where 96% or more of the people are Muslims, that considers itself a fortress of Islam is not ready for Islamic laws!

Simmilarly islam implementation need a conducive environment which need continues efforts ,so there are few muslim organisations working peace fully for implementation of islam target is not Pakistan only but whole world where ever muslims are living and next phase will be to give invitation to non muslims .

But you do seem to understand that you need to prove that it is workable by showing a model implementation. What is that conducive environment that you talk of?

Let's leave out the world for now. What is the problem in having the Islamic rule in Pakistan itself? What exactly are the "environmental issues"?

Because presently muslim are not completely practicing islam so to invite non believers is not recommended.

That is the point. What is preventing Muslims from practicing Islam?

Don't even worry about non-Muslims at this point!

 

[waraich66]

Not sure if it is an apt comparison! Are you saying that a country created in the name of Islam, where 96% or more of the people are Muslims, that considers itself a fortress of Islam is not ready for Islamic laws!

Whole world is suitable for implementation of islam but there are few conditions need to fullfill before implementation of shariah laws

Basic requirement is majority are muslims and willing to practice islamic principles(five pillars of islam).

But you do seem to understand that you need to prove that it is workable by showing a model implementation. What is that conducive environment that you talk of?

Yes it is workable ,few examples still available ,if you want to observe personally go to sharan pur nazam deen india .You will feel that islam is religion of peace.To get taste of apple you have to eat it.

Let's leave out the world for now. What is the problem in having the Islamic rule in Pakistan itself? What exactly are the "environmental issues"?

lot of efforts needed to transform majority in pakistan to practice islam ,first step is implement islam in your body them your family ,then small town and continue uptill there is complete environment developed ,when you implement shariah law majority will accept it whole heartedly.

That is the point. What is preventing Muslims from practicing Islam?

Don't even worry about non-Muslims at this point!

There is fear in majority that if they follow islam may be society reject them and there is chance they become isolated from society ,because whole government mechanisim is based on brithish laws and rules.

 

[Vinod2070]

Whole world is suitable for implementation of islam but there are few conditions need to fullfill before implementation of shariah laws

Basic requirement is majority are muslims and willing to practice islamic principles(five pillars of islam).

I believe majority of Muslims in Pakistan would be already doing that. That was the very basis of creation of Pakistan!

Yes it is workable ,few examples still available ,if you want to observe personally go to sharan pur nazam deen india .You will feel that islam is religion of peace.To get taste of apple you have to eat it.

Where is "sharan pur nazam deen india"? Are there no other well known examples?

lot of efforts needed to transform majority in pakistan to practice islam ,first step is implement islam in your body them your family ,then small town and continue uptill there is complete environment developed ,when you implement shariah law majority will accept it whole heartedly.

I am not sure it is making much sense. It seems like skirting the issue and getting vague. You talked of a 50 year process and I asked you specific questions. Please answer those questions and avoid vague generalities.

There is fear in majority that if they follow islam may be society reject them and there is chance they become isolated from society ,because whole government mechanisim is based on brithish laws and rules.

Fear that if they follow Islam, society may reject or ridicule them! In a country created in the name of Islam!

Are you serious?

 

[roadrunner]

Yep, think tanker , we will appreciate if you give your opinion on this subject and define it with more detail and references.

blame game will not work here

I don't recall blaming anyone.

You need to define what is Shariah law first of all, before stating we need it or they need it.

 

[roadrunner]

Waraich, the Arabs did not invent the decimal system or the number zero.

The counting system was invented in Pakistan, by an Ancient Pakistani, who was either a Buddhist or a follower of the Vedic religion, but not a modern day Hindu.