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October 30, 2009: The Russian government has warned the managers of state owned defense firms that they must improve their quality control, or face budget cuts, not to mention losing their jobs. The government was particularly upset with the problems developers of the new generation jet fighter were having.

For example, earlier this year, one of the two prototypes of the Russian Su-35 fifth generation fighter crashed on takeoff . The cause was a problem with one of the two engines. A third prototype is already under construction. Russia had hoped to have the destroyed prototype fly over the May Day parade in Moscow on May 1st. The crash is really bad PR, since one of the consistent shortcomings of Russian warplanes has been unreliable engines.

Last July, this long promised Russian answer to the F-22, the Su-35, had its first flight. In late 2007, the Russian Air Force showed off the first of two flyable prototypes. It was three years ago, that Russia announced its long promised Su-35 fighter, was back in development again.

The Su-35 is an enhanced Su-30 (itself a development of the Cold War era Su-27), and has been in development since the 1990s. At one point, it was called the Su-37, but the name was changed back to Su-35. Since the 1990s, time, many Su-35 prototypes were built, and apparently no two were identical. There were many disagreements over what direction the development should take, and by the late 1990s, the project was basically suspended for lack of funding. But now India has agreed to invest money, and other resources, to move the Su-35 project forward.

The Russians want to sell Su-35s to China, India and other foreign customers, and this Indian offer turned the cash flow back on. Apparently Russia now has the billions of dollars it will take to carry out the Su-35 development program. India has become a partner, not just an investor contributing cash. India will also suppy technology and manufacturing capability.

The Su-35 is a 34 ton fighter that is more maneuverable than the original, 33 ton, Su-27, and has much better electronics. It can cruise at above the speed of sound. It also costs at least fifty percent more than the Su-27. That would be some $60 million (for a barebones model), about what a top-of-the-line F-16 costs. The Su-27 was originally developed to match the F-15, which is larger than the single engine F-16. The larger size of the Su-27/35, allows designers to do a lot more with it in terms of modifications and enhancements.

The Su-35 is to have some stealth capabilities (or at least be less detectable to most fighter aircraft radars). Russia is promising a fighter with a life of 6,000 flight hours, and engines good for 4,000 hours. Russia promises world-class avionics, plus a very pilot-friendly cockpit. The use of many thrusters and fly-by-wire will produce an aircraft even more maneuverable than earlier Su-30s (which have been extremely agile).

The Su-35 is not meant to be a direct rival for the F-22, because the Russian aircraft is not nearly as stealthy. The Su-35 will carry a 30mm autocannon (with 150 rounds) and up to eight tons of munitions, hanging from 12 hard points. This reduces stealthiness, which the F-22 and F-35 get around by using an internal bay for bombs and missiles. But if the maneuverability and advanced electronics of the proposed Su-35 live up to the promises, the aircraft would be more than a match for every fighter out there except the F-22. If such an Su-35 was sold for well under $100 million each, there would be a lot of buyers. Russia says it will begin production, and sales, in three years.

But these development problems with the engines, and other components, not only look bad, but are delaying production, and those lucrative export deals. Russia is particularly worried about India, which has been a major export customer for decades. Western manufacturers are becoming increasingly attractive to India, despite higher prices. The Western equipment has a better reputation for reliability and combat effectiveness. If India becomes disillusioned with Russian military technology, it will be a major blow to Russian arms exports.
 
I dont get it why does the title say "shape up or lose India" ?
I dont see how it is relevant to your post.

What exactly is it India needs to shape up ?
and
what is it, we might loose ?
 
I dont get it why does the title say "shape up or lose India" ?
I dont see how it is relevant to your post.

What exactly is it India needs to shape up ?
and
what is it, we might loose ?

I guessed by reading the post that Russian government has asked its firms to improve quality of weapons otherwise lose Indian market.
 
The title does not d o the justice to the article. But the article is pretty objective.
 
I guessed by reading the post that Russian government has asked its firms to improve quality of weapons otherwise lose Indian market.

Oh so that's what it means, Thanks Jana
 
October 30, 2009: The Russian government has warned the managers of state owned defense firms that they must improve their quality control, or face budget cuts, not to mention losing their jobs. The government was particularly upset with the problems developers of the new generation jet fighter were having.

For example, earlier this year, one of the two prototypes of the Russian Su-35 fifth generation fighter crashed on takeoff . The cause was a problem with one of the two engines. A third prototype is already under construction. Russia had hoped to have the destroyed prototype fly over the May Day parade in Moscow on May 1st. The crash is really bad PR, since one of the consistent shortcomings of Russian warplanes has been unreliable engines.

Last July, this long promised Russian answer to the F-22, the Su-35, had its first flight. In late 2007, the Russian Air Force showed off the first of two flyable prototypes. It was three years ago, that Russia announced its long promised Su-35 fighter, was back in development again.

The Su-35 is an enhanced Su-30 (itself a development of the Cold War era Su-27), and has been in development since the 1990s. At one point, it was called the Su-37, but the name was changed back to Su-35. Since the 1990s, time, many Su-35 prototypes were built, and apparently no two were identical. There were many disagreements over what direction the development should take, and by the late 1990s, the project was basically suspended for lack of funding. But now India has agreed to invest money, and other resources, to move the Su-35 project forward.

The Russians want to sell Su-35s to China, India and other foreign customers, and this Indian offer turned the cash flow back on. Apparently Russia now has the billions of dollars it will take to carry out the Su-35 development program. India has become a partner, not just an investor contributing cash. India will also suppy technology and manufacturing capability.

The Su-35 is a 34 ton fighter that is more maneuverable than the original, 33 ton, Su-27, and has much better electronics. It can cruise at above the speed of sound. It also costs at least fifty percent more than the Su-27. That would be some $60 million (for a barebones model), about what a top-of-the-line F-16 costs. The Su-27 was originally developed to match the F-15, which is larger than the single engine F-16. The larger size of the Su-27/35, allows designers to do a lot more with it in terms of modifications and enhancements.

The Su-35 is to have some stealth capabilities (or at least be less detectable to most fighter aircraft radars). Russia is promising a fighter with a life of 6,000 flight hours, and engines good for 4,000 hours. Russia promises world-class avionics, plus a very pilot-friendly cockpit. The use of many thrusters and fly-by-wire will produce an aircraft even more maneuverable than earlier Su-30s (which have been extremely agile).

The Su-35 is not meant to be a direct rival for the F-22, because the Russian aircraft is not nearly as stealthy. The Su-35 will carry a 30mm autocannon (with 150 rounds) and up to eight tons of munitions, hanging from 12 hard points. This reduces stealthiness, which the F-22 and F-35 get around by using an internal bay for bombs and missiles. But if the maneuverability and advanced electronics of the proposed Su-35 live up to the promises, the aircraft would be more than a match for every fighter out there except the F-22. If such an Su-35 was sold for well under $100 million each, there would be a lot of buyers. Russia says it will begin production, and sales, in three years.

But these development problems with the engines, and other components, not only look bad, but are delaying production, and those lucrative export deals. Russia is particularly worried about India, which has been a major export customer for decades. Western manufacturers are becoming increasingly attractive to India, despite higher prices. The Western equipment has a better reputation for reliability and combat effectiveness. If India becomes disillusioned with Russian military technology, it will be a major blow to Russian arms exports.

Its True.

Though I personally feel, the over 5 decade relationship , is far far more than just a buyer and seller.
 
Its True.

Though I personally feel, the over 5 decade relationship , is far far more than just a buyer and seller.

well with the soviet Union we had a better relation than Buyer and seller.

The soviets helped us out on numerous occasions.

But it is harder to say with Russia.
Putin wanted to re establish the Buyer Seller relationship.
But he did not go any further. He established friendly relations, supported us on our UNSC seat Bid.

But Under the new president, relations have improve upon that of Putin.

More mid level talks occur.
A Russian English TV channel even a ran a segment "India Russia neighbors with out boundaries".

The TV program highlighted one more thing, Although our governments are very "chumy". There really isn't any interactions between the two nations other than the Governments and their respective agencies.

Trade between the Two nations is average, neither invest in each other very well.

And the Cultural exchange or cultural commonality is very low.
Both Russia and India share more in Common whit America than with each other.

Russians are our friends, but to what extent i dont really know
 

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